I'm probably going to get disemvoweled for this, but that doesn't look sexist to me, just trying to denigrate some other team the way sports fans do all the time, with the girl being a girl being only incidental (or after a conversation like "-hey, if they did that to a guy it'd probably be even more humilliating -But dude, that's so gay - Yeah dude, what was I thinking, let's go with the girl")
Don't get me wrong, I think it's disgusting, in bad taste, and dumb (I was going to say a 16 years old could have thought of it but it's probably the case), but not specifically sexist in intention
@Dirk Anger: You don't get disemvoweled around here for having a dissenting opinion about something, instead you get disemvoweled if your comment is rude or offensive.
My boyfriend was Memorial's star safety ten years ago. He recalls the t-shirts as being in good fun, but now has the good sense to see it as embarrassing, revolting and offensive.
As they say, hindsight's 20/20, and luckily, my little meathead grew up to be a thinker.
@utopianfiat000001: I get where you're coming from, but the population of Houston is closer to 3 million, not 300 million. Still not a small town, but also not larger than the rest of America.
@whynotshesaid: Exactly. Houston is NOT a small town but it does NOT have more people than NYC. Houston's metro pop. is 5,728,143.
Not 30 mill. Not 300 mill.
nice work, students at memorial and stratford. yeah, yeah, high school rivalry and "omg, it's such a big deal".
sorry folks, but the hastings vs. elsik rivalry from way back in the day has y'all's beat by several thousand country miles, and never - and i repeat - NEVER - was a tshirt depicting anything like the aforementioned graphic was ever sold or distributed to students. EVER. i think the worst thing i ever saw was a car with the words "fuck elsik" on it and the cops pulled over and made the guy clean it. but trust, that game was a blood bath, even from back in the day when the rival schools shared the same hallway. even now, the schools are in the same city block! so yeah, memorial vs. stratford is small taters.
truly, it's not about who did what first - it's the basic fact of what the graphic is depicting. and no, nobody cares if it's gone on for decades or centuries, even. it's crass and tasteless and disgusting and vile. furthermore, what kid is going to wear a shirt like this in public? i'd like to meet that kid, then meet that kid's parents, then hand those parents their ass nancy-grace style while they sit at bible study at first baptist church.
no amount of apologizing is going to make up for the fact that this shirt has tarnished memorial's reputation. if you care about that, then fix it.
Having worked at a school with rampant sexual harassment, misogyny, assault, and seemingly no response from the faculty, I have to say that I wouldn't immediately jump on the school's administration about this. If Jez had ever written about some of the shit that happened at my school, people would probably be saying how thoughtless or sexist or idiotic the faculty was-but trust me. We weren't. Not all of us, anyway.
Imagine what it would be like to be a female teacher at a school where the students think this shit is funny, and not a big deal. How do you handle class discussions that are dripping with misogyny? You can't keep giving them detention. Class never gets anywhere if you kick them all out. When the kids have more money than the teachers, threats don't work. How can the administration fight kids whose parents excuse this behavior, and call the principal if their kid gets a bad grade or detention? I used to worry about getting jumped where I worked, just because I was really vocal and critical about the sexual harassment at my job. And I worked with the richest, most privileged kids in the county, at the safe good prep school in the rich neighborhood. And when the girls wouldn't come forward (who could blame them) the administration couldn't do anything, no matter how grossed out they were.
The dynamics of rich kids in schools are so fucked up. I mean, I'm not saying it's ok--there were some really gross misogynists on staff at my school too. But most of us hated having to teach sociopaths, and wanted them to get expelled. You can't expel 60% of the senior class, though. Especially at a private school, where tuition money keeps the rest of the students (including f-ing brilliant openly queer vocally anti-racist bi-racial poets on scholarship who will hopefully go on to start the revolution) in class, or at a rich school, where parents have the power to get people fired (for reals).
If I recall correctly, when I was a sophomore (circa 1990), the school was scandalized after the Senior Men decided to theme one of their formals "The Trojan War." This, according to the enraged parents, probably had to do with condoms. I can't imagine how those same parents would have reacted to this.
There was also a Confederate flag scandal at one point, but I think/hope that got cleared up.
As far as football goes I remember a lot of petty Memorial vs. Stratford vandalism, but it all seemed ridiculous given the massive suckitude of our boys on the gridiron. Now I can't believe how dire that rivalry has become. Yet -- argh-- I also can't get all huffy about this. It's embarrassing, and sickening, and really really depressing, but as someone pointed out below, it's also a bunch of upper-middle-class teenage boys demonstrating what passes for funny and masculine in their tiny, immature world, and the reason we have college is ideally so they'll grow out of it.
I guess the one thing it's not, to me, is shocking. After all, we're talking about a high school that T.P.s its own campus every homecoming.
(Interesting side note: I was severely disciplined my junior year for staging a student-run production of "Godspell." Not because it was religious [or sacrilegious], just because the principal at the time had some slight control issues. Thus, I did not graduate from Memorial. So, you know, you don't have to shun me or anything.)
@whittlz: PS, to myself and my eventual detractors: not defending it, not condoning it... just sayin'. Let's get the parents involved and let's clean it up, but let's not forget the whole reason kids are given the chance to grow up before we judge them like adults is because of crap exactly like this.
I'm really enjoying these new comments from Memorial students. Y'all are doing yourselves--and your mamas--proud!
It's clear from these comments that it's not just an isolated incident of one student making a shirt--there's a bunch of student coming on here making it clear that they really ARE too stupid understand why this shirt is offensive.
I really feel for the girls who go to Memorial if these guys are a sample of their male classmates.
@BeckySharper: Agreed. This is extremely disturbing. It reminds me how naive I am to think that most commenting environments might be nearly as safe and pleasant as ours is here.
@BeckySharper: Hey! A bunch of misogynist, over-privileged high school rape apologists hate you and wrote about how much that hate you and your feminism on the internet! Congratulations!
Let's start a club. Some high school boys once started a facebook group about me and my ridiculous feminist ethics and how annoying and dumb it is for me to tell them to stop sexually harassing 14 year old girls and that when a girl doesn't want to have sex but then you have sex with her anyway it isn't a victory against the evils of feminine wiles but a felony called "rape". I'm so naive. It's because I was born ugly and was fat my whole life. And also am a lesbian who just wants a boyfriend. etc etc.
I wear my 'miogynists hate me!' badge with pride. I mean, it means I'm doing something right.
i really hate teenage boys. seriously. i dont even have anything useful to say because i am so sickened by this besides that. im so glad i escaped high school unscathed.
So I posted this comment on the Houston Press blog post as well, but I figured I'd throw it out here as well: I really hope (but don't expect) that people will discuss the impact of this kind of imagery on the school environment for female students at Memorial and Stratford. I couldn't imagine how I'd feel around my male peers if I went to a school where images like this were thrown about. It's really scary, actually.
I'm not trying to justify this t-shirt, but the way I interpret the image is not a cheerleader being Eiffel Towered, it's a spartan, the rival school mascot (I'm assuming). I was very confused as to why this was sent to Feminist Law Professors, when there weren't any girls involved in the t-shirt. Feel free to delete this if this point has already been covered and I just missed it.
@blumpkin: Then why wouldn't the Spartan be a man? Because it's about more than just football rivalry; it's about anxious masculinity + football rivalry.
@blumpkin: No girls involved in the T-shirt? How would YOU feel walking down the hall in your cheerleading uniform (hell, your jeans and Chucks) and seeing somebody wearing that shirt? Women/girls may not have been involved in the creation and spreading of this, but they sure will be affected by it.
@SarahMC: I don't think you want to engage with this one.
If the "get a life this is not srs" comments in pink aren't enough, "feel free to delete" is usually a clue to me not only of fairly significant entitlement issues but fairly flagrant intellectual laziness as well.
@pete_vh: The latest comment by "drew" claims this is not a new shirt and that the admins. have known about them for years. Between this and the N.J. 'slut list' just what exactly are we paying these school administrators and teachers and coaches to do? It is seeming to be 'anything goes' for the sports teams they support and hero worship.
@BeckySharper: The apex of the argument there seems to be "bitches be crazy" and this is all just a hilarious ado about a wonderfully school-spirited t-shirt. So yeah, I'm okay with letting my bitch flag fly high on this issue.
@BeckySharper: I'd skip the coach - those meatheads are usually the worst offenders. Aim directly for the superintendent:
Duncan F. Klussmann
duncan.klussmann@springbranchisd.com
The sad fact of the matter is that no amount of angry email will ever result in change. "School spirit" propaganda like this was accepted and even celebrated at my Houston high school in the early 90s. Sexist, racist, homophobic, you name it.
Texas high school football was, is and always shall be King. Fuck propriety, fuck decency. A notch in the "win" column is all the school cares about. It's absolutely sickening.
I have a couple contacts @ the Chron and you can bet your ass I'll be sending this along to them.
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Don't get me wrong, I think it's disgusting, in bad taste, and dumb (I was going to say a 16 years old could have thought of it but it's probably the case), but not specifically sexist in intention
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As they say, hindsight's 20/20, and luckily, my little meathead grew up to be a thinker.
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Sorry for breaking your sociology dissertation.
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Not 30 mill. Not 300 mill.
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sorry folks, but the hastings vs. elsik rivalry from way back in the day has y'all's beat by several thousand country miles, and never - and i repeat - NEVER - was a tshirt depicting anything like the aforementioned graphic was ever sold or distributed to students. EVER. i think the worst thing i ever saw was a car with the words "fuck elsik" on it and the cops pulled over and made the guy clean it. but trust, that game was a blood bath, even from back in the day when the rival schools shared the same hallway. even now, the schools are in the same city block! so yeah, memorial vs. stratford is small taters.
truly, it's not about who did what first - it's the basic fact of what the graphic is depicting. and no, nobody cares if it's gone on for decades or centuries, even. it's crass and tasteless and disgusting and vile. furthermore, what kid is going to wear a shirt like this in public? i'd like to meet that kid, then meet that kid's parents, then hand those parents their ass nancy-grace style while they sit at bible study at first baptist church.
no amount of apologizing is going to make up for the fact that this shirt has tarnished memorial's reputation. if you care about that, then fix it.
10/06/09
Imagine what it would be like to be a female teacher at a school where the students think this shit is funny, and not a big deal. How do you handle class discussions that are dripping with misogyny? You can't keep giving them detention. Class never gets anywhere if you kick them all out. When the kids have more money than the teachers, threats don't work. How can the administration fight kids whose parents excuse this behavior, and call the principal if their kid gets a bad grade or detention? I used to worry about getting jumped where I worked, just because I was really vocal and critical about the sexual harassment at my job. And I worked with the richest, most privileged kids in the county, at the safe good prep school in the rich neighborhood. And when the girls wouldn't come forward (who could blame them) the administration couldn't do anything, no matter how grossed out they were.
The dynamics of rich kids in schools are so fucked up. I mean, I'm not saying it's ok--there were some really gross misogynists on staff at my school too. But most of us hated having to teach sociopaths, and wanted them to get expelled. You can't expel 60% of the senior class, though. Especially at a private school, where tuition money keeps the rest of the students (including f-ing brilliant openly queer vocally anti-racist bi-racial poets on scholarship who will hopefully go on to start the revolution) in class, or at a rich school, where parents have the power to get people fired (for reals).
10/06/09
If I recall correctly, when I was a sophomore (circa 1990), the school was scandalized after the Senior Men decided to theme one of their formals "The Trojan War." This, according to the enraged parents, probably had to do with condoms. I can't imagine how those same parents would have reacted to this.
There was also a Confederate flag scandal at one point, but I think/hope that got cleared up.
As far as football goes I remember a lot of petty Memorial vs. Stratford vandalism, but it all seemed ridiculous given the massive suckitude of our boys on the gridiron. Now I can't believe how dire that rivalry has become. Yet -- argh-- I also can't get all huffy about this. It's embarrassing, and sickening, and really really depressing, but as someone pointed out below, it's also a bunch of upper-middle-class teenage boys demonstrating what passes for funny and masculine in their tiny, immature world, and the reason we have college is ideally so they'll grow out of it.
I guess the one thing it's not, to me, is shocking. After all, we're talking about a high school that T.P.s its own campus every homecoming.
(Interesting side note: I was severely disciplined my junior year for staging a student-run production of "Godspell." Not because it was religious [or sacrilegious], just because the principal at the time had some slight control issues. Thus, I did not graduate from Memorial. So, you know, you don't have to shun me or anything.)
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It's clear from these comments that it's not just an isolated incident of one student making a shirt--there's a bunch of student coming on here making it clear that they really ARE too stupid understand why this shirt is offensive.
I really feel for the girls who go to Memorial if these guys are a sample of their male classmates.
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Let's start a club. Some high school boys once started a facebook group about me and my ridiculous feminist ethics and how annoying and dumb it is for me to tell them to stop sexually harassing 14 year old girls and that when a girl doesn't want to have sex but then you have sex with her anyway it isn't a victory against the evils of feminine wiles but a felony called "rape". I'm so naive. It's because I was born ugly and was fat my whole life. And also am a lesbian who just wants a boyfriend. etc etc.
I wear my 'miogynists hate me!' badge with pride. I mean, it means I'm doing something right.
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if you click the link to the feminist law professors blog they have another similar one from another year.
its definitely a cheerleader. they show dominance over the other team by dominating their women. classic.
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If the "get a life this is not srs" comments in pink aren't enough, "feel free to delete" is usually a clue to me not only of fairly significant entitlement issues but fairly flagrant intellectual laziness as well.
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[blogs.houstonpress.com]
Memorial and Stratford are in Spring Branch ISD here in Houston. The district's spokesman claimed to be unaware of the shirt, but is checking further.
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gary.koch@springbranchisd.com
or the campus principal, Steve Shorter, at:
steve.shorter@springbranchisd.com
I suggest you include a jpeg of the t-shirt in your e-mail, just in case they haven't already seen it.
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Duncan F. Klussmann
duncan.klussmann@springbranchisd.com
The sad fact of the matter is that no amount of angry email will ever result in change. "School spirit" propaganda like this was accepted and even celebrated at my Houston high school in the early 90s. Sexist, racist, homophobic, you name it.
Texas high school football was, is and always shall be King. Fuck propriety, fuck decency. A notch in the "win" column is all the school cares about. It's absolutely sickening.
I have a couple contacts @ the Chron and you can bet your ass I'll be sending this along to them.