Also that item about Beyonce made me smile. I guess we have fallen far if a celebrity's decent behavior and care for fellow human beings is an anomaly worth noting but in any case, you go, Beyonce!
Am I the only person who isn't surprised or upset or bothered about Letterman? What's with all this "I can't believe he had sex with them!" stuff? No one has said this happened while he was married. And, if it comes out that he forced these women to do this or harassed them, that's different. But that doesn't seem to be the case now. Why not put some of this shame toward the CBS News employee who commited an actual crime?
@Newsgirl: The extortionist is the clear bad here, definitely. I mean, what Dave did wasn't okay, because he is a boss, a father, and had a partner (maybe he wasn't married at the time, but hasn't he been with her for like two decades?). The extortionist deserves having the book thrown at him for sure, but Dave's going to have to shake a "dirty old man" reputation for a while. I personally think Dave deserves some fallout for what he did, definitely, but it absolutely didn't need to play out in public like that; it's punishing his family now too.
Of course there's always the possibility that he was in an open relationship, and the affairs he had were completely free of any kind of sexual harassment. Personally, I don't care. I've never liked Letterman, I think his show (and Leno's, too) is played out. This doesn't change my opinion of him at all, and I wasn't shocked.
@annebreal: Barring an open relationship, I don't think it's fair to hold anyone but Dave himself accountable for this playing out in public and punishing his family. He was in the public eye and still chose to do this to them. He's reaping what he sowed. I feel terrible that they have to suffer, but he can only blame himself for that.
@Newsgirl: I'm upset that he slept with his working subordinates. As a commenter said at Gawker, there is a reason that is not allowed. The subordinate is less able (or unable) to say no to this person because they control their paycheck. it's really, really unethical, and THAT is the part that grosses me out. Not necessarily cheating, though the deception of one's loved ones is personally repugnant to me - it's the potential abuses of power in those relationships that really upsets me.
@Eriu: "I don't think it's fair to hold anyone but Dave himself accountable for this playing out in public and punishing his family. He was in the public eye and still chose to do this to them."
So, you think there is no fault at all to be held by the CBS News employee who commited a crime and brought this to the public eye? It's all David Letterman's fault that the man tried to extort him? Please.
@southwer: I understand your point, but I still think that implies that Letterman forced or coerced employees to have sex with him. And like I said, if it turns out that's the case then he should be fired. But is it that far out of the question to think some women who worked for him wanted to sleep with him?
@Newsgirl: it's not that far out of the question, and it could very well be the case - but the very relationship itself, that of worker and boss, is a power differential, and immediately taints any idea of a perfectly free choice. For those reasons, his actions were creepy and he should not have slept with his employees.
now, god knows, there is no such thing as perfectly free choice in this world, and power/money differentials always exist in all kinds of relationships. In past discussions on this site, I'm thinking specifically in dicussions on the legalization of prostitution, people talked about similar ideas - specifically that many people who "choose" to go into prostitution (to say nothing of those who are forced or trafficked into it) are not in fact making a free choice at all, that it is economic desperation, addiction, etc., that forces many men and women into prostitution. This is quite true. It is also true that there are men and women who have chosen to go into this work because they want to and love and enjoy it and not because of any economic necessity. Likewise, it is totally possible that these women chose to sleep with him entirely because they wanted to and not because their jobs would be in danger otherwise, but their pre-existing relationship, for me, puts everything in a different light, and not a good one.
@Newsgirl: I think that man should be held accountable for his own actions, but anyone blaming HIM and not DAVID LETTERMAN for Letterman's family being hurt by this is out of their mind. This could've come out in any number of ways and the blame would still be on the same person. When you are in a relationship, it is your responsibility not to do shitty things like this. It is not anyone else's responsibility to keep your shitty things secret. The extortion wasn't right at all, but it isn't what hurt them. The truth did, and that's all Dave.
Was anyone else a little taken aback by the way Dave broke the news to his studio audience last night? He didn't mention why he was being extorted until the end of his story, so during the entire story, the audience is laughing and clapping. By the end, they still didn't really seem to be disturbed by the news at all. Do you all think that was fine or was it missing some dignity?
@hollygolightly: I think it was a smart PR move. He admitted everything (except the details I don't think anyone wants to hear really) himself and explained it, and in a lighthearted way that may or may not have been creepy depending on everyone's points of view.
I've always found Dave a bit cranky, albeit endearingly so, and liked that he didn't seem to have much patience for morons. I'm not sure what to make of this. I was sad and a bit disappointed when I heard last night. But I do have to give him credit for just fessing up like he did. I don't know about any other details and am not sure I want or need to. He's an adult. I hope he didn't use his power to get sex from these women, but it's hard to know for sure. It doesn't sound good, but at least he knew when the jig was up. As they say in politics, the cover-up hurts you worse than whatever stupid shit you did to start with.
I will probably still have a soft spot for him, but I've been trying to watch Conan more anyway because Conan is at a different point in his career than Letterman and I feel sorry for him with all this Leno crap. Letterman was beating Conan pretty good before all this, and I wonder if that will still be true.
@lalaland13: But he fessed up because he was backed into a corner by an extortion plot. I think it's really interesting how he seems to be getting much more of a pass on this, and even respect, when every time a politician makes such an announcement (even the democratic ones), it's a free for all of criticism and judgment around here of them.
At best, he cheated on his girlfriend with what sounds like more than one woman. At worse, he abused his position of authority.
@Mrs. Stephen Fry: You hate that he had to admit it because it is ugly, seedy and gross? How about hating that he did it because it is ugly, seedy and gross? You'd rather he have done it but not have to account for it? That is a very strange sentiment to me.
@Newsgirl: He's been with his now-wife and mother of his child for over 20 years and living with her for much of that time. He was only on the air, I think, for a few years before that, and I doubt someone would be extorting him for something he did over 23 years ago. That's gross to me. I was also using the original commenter's words. I would probably choose slightly different negative adjectives. My point was only that "hating that he had to admit" something he did that this person found to be "ugly, seedy and gross" was a very strange way to phrase it. Even if you love him, I imagine you don't hate that he had to admit it--you hate that he did it. Or maybe that's just me and my good old fashioned values like honesty.
Sleeping with his employees while in a long-term relationship is ugly, seedy, and gross. Did I not make that clear? Hope I have now.
He shouldn't have to air his dirty laundry (no matter how dirty) on an nighttime chat show. It has nothing to do with his program. But he was forced to because some ass tried to blackmail him. He shouldn't have cheated on his girlfriend with his employees in the first place, but he also shouldn't have to talk about it on an entertainment program. His personal life is just that--personal.
@Mrs. Stephen Fry: Well, he didn't have to talk about it on his show. He chose to, albeit under pressure from this guy, which again isn't "fair". But neither is cheating on your significant other, so... karma's a bitch. And again, I don't really feel bad for a celebrity who does something shitty like this and then cries about how it's their personal life. You did it knowing full well that it would be in the news if it got out. Be a big boy and deal with the consequences of your actions.
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I can't imagine the crazy amount of work that goes into caring for that long of locks. #dreadlocks
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Also that item about Beyonce made me smile. I guess we have fallen far if a celebrity's decent behavior and care for fellow human beings is an anomaly worth noting but in any case, you go, Beyonce!
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Of course there's always the possibility that he was in an open relationship, and the affairs he had were completely free of any kind of sexual harassment. Personally, I don't care. I've never liked Letterman, I think his show (and Leno's, too) is played out. This doesn't change my opinion of him at all, and I wasn't shocked.
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So, you think there is no fault at all to be held by the CBS News employee who commited a crime and brought this to the public eye? It's all David Letterman's fault that the man tried to extort him? Please.
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now, god knows, there is no such thing as perfectly free choice in this world, and power/money differentials always exist in all kinds of relationships. In past discussions on this site, I'm thinking specifically in dicussions on the legalization of prostitution, people talked about similar ideas - specifically that many people who "choose" to go into prostitution (to say nothing of those who are forced or trafficked into it) are not in fact making a free choice at all, that it is economic desperation, addiction, etc., that forces many men and women into prostitution. This is quite true. It is also true that there are men and women who have chosen to go into this work because they want to and love and enjoy it and not because of any economic necessity. Likewise, it is totally possible that these women chose to sleep with him entirely because they wanted to and not because their jobs would be in danger otherwise, but their pre-existing relationship, for me, puts everything in a different light, and not a good one.
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I will probably still have a soft spot for him, but I've been trying to watch Conan more anyway because Conan is at a different point in his career than Letterman and I feel sorry for him with all this Leno crap. Letterman was beating Conan pretty good before all this, and I wonder if that will still be true.
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At best, he cheated on his girlfriend with what sounds like more than one woman. At worse, he abused his position of authority.
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Now, you better work even harder for your Wife.
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I feel for his wife, too, because clearly a lot of this was going on while he was with her.
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He shouldn't have to air his dirty laundry (no matter how dirty) on an nighttime chat show. It has nothing to do with his program. But he was forced to because some ass tried to blackmail him. He shouldn't have cheated on his girlfriend with his employees in the first place, but he also shouldn't have to talk about it on an entertainment program. His personal life is just that--personal.
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Gah. I give up.
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