I hear somebody this morning on who said she likes her because she is regular, like a neighbor. Why do people want ordinary people to run the country? I want the people running the country to be extraordinary. I want them to be smarter than me.
Another woman said you can trust Sarah Palin. Believe the lie.
@Lymed: "Why do people want ordinary people to run the country? I want the people running the country to be extraordinary. I want them to be smarter than me."
THIS. I really don't understand why "intellectual" has become such a pejorative term. I want leaders who are well versed in political theory, history, economics, philosophy, etc. I want leaders who know what the fuck they're doing. This isn't the rotary club, its a goddamn country.
@KATE!: I know, right? I'm IN a Rotary Club (don't ask. It's a work thing) and I would not vote for 99.9 percent of my fellow club members. In fact, I'd be scared.
I remember on Election Night, I was approached by one of the three other open liberals in the club and invited to an Obama celebration party. He had to whisper the invitation to me over our chicken plates, lest someone overhear and we get caught up in a heated discussion about how Palin is genuine and Obama is elitist.
@KATE!: It's a new take on the whole Cincinnatus thing. The Roman dictator reluctantly leaves the simple life of farmer to take on the burden of public life in a time of civic crisis -- not for glory or power, but from a sense of duty. There's a deep strain of this in American politics/history...it masks the unpleasant vanity of ambition and lends a virtuous patina to the whole enterprise.
@KATE!: It'd be nice to think that the anti-intellectualism in campaigning is recent, but Americans have been going for the "guy I'd like to have a beer with" candidate for ages. Except back then, it was the "guy I'd like to drink cider with" candidate. I mean, that's basically the campaign Jackson ran and the "have a cider with me" thing was William Henry Harrison's entire campaign in 1840. He ran very successfully as the "common American" against that dirty elitist Martin van Buren, everyone of course forgetting that van Buren was actually, originally, the working class son of a tavern-keeper from New York and Harrison was born into an extremely prominent and wealthy political family in Virginia (we're talking father was a signer of the Declaration of Independence, related by marriage to the Lees and Washingtons kind of prominent).
I'd like to have the smartest guy running the country, too, but we have a time-honored tradition of not picking that guy.
@Lymed: I think they want "regular" people who are not smarter than them because people who are not very smart do not see nuance. That means that whenever someone starts talking about things intellectually they become confused and assume that they are going to be tricked. If you don't understand your world then you'll live in a cloud of suspicion. Ergo they don't want to elect politicians who they feel are smarter than they are because they don't believe they can trust them. I also think that's why you keep hearing these people say they feel like they can trust her.
As long as I take the "right-wing mob" comment as tongue in cheek, none of these quotes terrify me too much. Is this the scariest stuff they could find?
"Aside from his showing that it truly is a campaign rally rather than a book signing, there are a couple of interesting observations re: the fans. One man notes that Palin is for 'putting the homos back in the closet,'"
I have rarely been so embarassed to claim Grand Rapids as my hometown. It's a perfidious place, and a great illustration that the road to hell is, in all point of fact, paved with good intentions.
If you ever want a good demonstration in the very real existence of a right-wing conspiracy, look no further than Rich de Vos. Go ahead, I promise you'll be suitably horrified.
@AndPreciousLittleofThat: I'm from a little town just south of Grand Rapids, and I've always loved the city, if not the politics and ideology.
Since you're also a native, here's a funny line from Salon this morning:
West Michigan is, by far, the most conservative part of the state. It was settled by Dutch Calvinists, members of one of the country's most Republican ethnic groups. (Amsterdam may be so libertine because all the religious folks moved to Michigan.)
@molly pocket: Ha! That's spot-on. And you're entirely right, Grand Rapids is a beautiful place. The east shore of Lake Michigan is one of my favorite places on the whole globe.
I just wish the politics weren't so...odd. Betsy de Vos? Truly, one of the great American nutbags.
I don't mind the posterity quote, because U.S. history has tons of horrible people. And I love the possible destinies of either being president or hosting a talk show- those are practically the same thing, anyway, right? The quote from the 8 year old, however, is terrifying.
@NellMood: Yeah, the posterity quote was funny. History isn't just made up of awesome winners who did amazing things. It's also got big-time losers who pulled some serious boners. In fact, I'd say that's what most of history is - idiots doing stupid shit.
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Either they're talking about Highlander, or accusing liberal minded people of being dead.
I may not agree with these folks, but I certainly don't think that sort of thing. Sheesh.
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#tips
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I for one am endlessly fascinated by volcano ghost things.
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Another woman said you can trust Sarah Palin. Believe the lie.
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THIS. I really don't understand why "intellectual" has become such a pejorative term. I want leaders who are well versed in political theory, history, economics, philosophy, etc. I want leaders who know what the fuck they're doing. This isn't the rotary club, its a goddamn country.
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I remember on Election Night, I was approached by one of the three other open liberals in the club and invited to an Obama celebration party. He had to whisper the invitation to me over our chicken plates, lest someone overhear and we get caught up in a heated discussion about how Palin is genuine and Obama is elitist.
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Why would I want one of them in the White House?
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I'd like to have the smartest guy running the country, too, but we have a time-honored tradition of not picking that guy.
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Note: I love that she says 'ass-backwards' ass-backwards.
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(though I moved east once I became a adult)
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Don't you know that we're the right-wing mob? Don't anger us, we have the numbers today and we remember your face.
Oh yeah?
Liberals are psychically well-endowed!
(It comes from thinkin'.
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So, wait, you basically just admitted that you like Palin because her bounciness appeals to your stupidity?
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"Aside from his showing that it truly is a campaign rally rather than a book signing, there are a couple of interesting observations re: the fans. One man notes that Palin is for 'putting the homos back in the closet,'"
[dyn.politico.com]
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I bet they also have fancy, 1000-count white sheets and nicely braided ropes too.
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If you ever want a good demonstration in the very real existence of a right-wing conspiracy, look no further than Rich de Vos. Go ahead, I promise you'll be suitably horrified.
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Since you're also a native, here's a funny line from Salon this morning:
West Michigan is, by far, the most conservative part of the state. It was settled by Dutch Calvinists, members of one of the country's most Republican ethnic groups. (Amsterdam may be so libertine because all the religious folks moved to Michigan.)
Link: [www.salon.com]
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I just wish the politics weren't so...odd. Betsy de Vos? Truly, one of the great American nutbags.
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