The Angry Underground World of Failed Pickup Artists

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The goal of the Anti-Pickup-Artist Movement, as stated on its highly official title page, is to reveal "the scams, deception, and misleading marketing techniques used by dating gurus and the seduction community to deceive men and profit from them." Here, you'll find the sad, scary, skeezy world of men who have turned their backs on said seduction community after spending thousands of dollars on "educational materials," seminars, and boot camps to no avail.

Click on "Get Instant Access" and you'll find yourself amongst, as one PuaHate poster puts it, "thousands of ex pua students that payed the $ , learned and practiced the materials, and got no results based on said materials." Results, apparently, would entail mass quantities of sexy women lining up to bone him and his ilk, regardless of the fact that they spend all of their time ranting and raving on a misogynistic website.

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We browsed the forums for a few hours and failed to find one user who wondered whether women are unfairly targeted (as well as stereotyped, pigeonholed, and marketed) by the seduction community. Nope! On their predominately male, heterosexual planet it's the poor, gullible men who are the true victims, and the PuaHate forums are an outlet where they're free to break down reasons why particular PUAs are the "ultimate scammers" who "hardly ever get laid and when they do it is with average to below average girls," review boot camps, detail legal issues (Wah, I spent thousands of dollars on X product and I'm still not getting laid), and stalk the partners of famous "gurus." And it's the partners — and women in general — who are the villains to these outcasts.

PuaHate is "basically a women/seduction-based 4chan with usernames and individuality," according to one user. There are over 8,200 registered members, but you don't have to be one to read their posts, and the PUA Twitter account has over 10,000 followers. The purpose behind the website — to reveal the scams and deceptive marketing techniques used by the "Dating Gurus" — is not one without any merit. The PUA community at large is sketchy in and of itself. But it's hard to feel bad for guys who are so upset that they couldn't pay money to learn how to attract women that they take it out on their "targets" rather than the scammers themselves; a large amount of threads revolve around how unfair it is that men have to resort to Pick Up Artists to get a girl to notice them. "A HB5 [hot babe whose hotness is a 5 out of 10] with gonorrhea is still higher value than a male 9 in western society," complained one poster. "Oh, but wait. Necrophilia exists. So, to sum up: women can be DEAD and get laid more than an average looking male," wrote another. "Honestly I don't know what to do- set up a male model's profile and lure out stinky bitches to educate and purify, or set up a fake stupid cunt ugly profile and lure out all the losers men who message me to say how beautiful I am and how much they would love for me to become their princess," wondered yet another.

But at its core, PuaHate members don't hate the game, "just the BS and hype and fluff that goes with it." As one poster explains, "I would just like to get to the point where I can bang a girl whenever I want ie 5 times a week." Is that so much to ask for?

One man had a revolutionary idea: "i encourage everyone on PUAHATE to do up dating profiles of really fat/hideous/physically deformed/mentally challenged females and prove to themselves that all a woman needs to attract top quality males is a pair of tits an a cunt," he suggested. But why are men like him on PuaHate in the first place? Because they're angry and unaware that it's their inability to see women as anything other than "a pair of tits and a cunt" is what's impeding their ability to actually meet and charm women. Instead of a modicum of self-awareness, these guys complain endlessly that women only like good looking men. Isn't it a tad hypocritical for PuaHate posters, who seemingly think they deserve a bevy of beautiful ladies ready to have sex with them on command at all times, to criticize women who date attractive guys?


That would be too complicated (and depressing) for these men to consider, so they spend their time swapping dating "tips" that are so disgusting they almost seem like jokes — except they're not. "A guy once told me that all you need is some white powder (doesn't have to be real coke) and then you can use it to coerce a girl to leave the club with you," one guy wrote. "My only fear with this method is that once she finds out it's not coke she might cry rape." Here's a guide to "catching average girls who are broke." Even more depressing are the few stragglers who are smart enough to realize that Pick Up Artists won't help but genuinely seem confused about how to meet and connect with women.

"Is there anything that is honest? Even blog posts? I can't tell what's real and what's BS," wrote Fakepeoplesuck. "How about being able to socialize with people and be respected instead of becoming the runt of the group? Just talking to women without being considered a creep, not even trying to have sex with them?" In return, men told poor Fakepeoplesuck that "Most people here are sexless due to standards in looks" and "If you're good looking you can say almost anything and not be considered a creep. I'm guessing you're not. But I don't know what you're doing either..."


In a post sensitively titled, "You guys are desperate, needy, aspie losers," one guy wrote:

You are desperately seeking this one thing: vagina, to the point where nothing else matters to you. The only thing that defines you is thrusting. You are animalistic, incapable of rational thought, future considerations. You are needy because you have nothing else going on in your life beside the pursuit of pussy. You are losers because the time you put into it does not reflect your results - otherwise you would be happy.


Although I hate to agree with anyone who uses the word "aspie," this user pretty much nailed it. (Although one wonders why he's hanging around the forums if he has it all figured out.) The men that lurk in the PuaHate forums are almost worse than the PUAs themselves, because they only see women as objects that exist solely to make them feel better about their own pathetic lives.

"The funny thing in [PUA Ross Jeffries'] sales-marketing gimmick [is that he] he talks about how you won't have to resort to booze, bullying, begging and/or buying," says one poster. "Guess what? [Speed Seduction] doesn't work, so I'm back to where I along with booze, bullying, begging and/or buying. Fuck you Ross and all the bullshit that you spin!" But is it Jeffries' fault that this poster couldn't trick any women into thinking he was worth taking seriously? It goes without saying that there's no speedy way to learn how to respect women if you've never treated them like equals in the past. "Respect" doesn't seem to be the primary goal of the PuaHater, though — that might get in the way of fucking as many bitches as possible.

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I have a friend (?) who I think might be venturing into PUA-esque behavior with me.

I recently broke up with my boyfriend, and this guy is, well, creepy. He gets too close and he's really touchy-feely and frankly I'm not comfortable with it. Sometimes we talk via text message because I'm actually going on a big group vacation with some friends and he's also going on the trip, so I don't want to make things awkward between us. Anyway, my ex and I have been going back and forth for a while so obviously I'm not really over him. "Friend" (call him M, I guess), kind of berated me via text saying I shouldn't waste my time with assholes, I need a guy who "knows how to treat women," etc. Which is all well and good, but then when he asked if I had feelings for him and I flat-out said no, he got irritated and sent me a barrage of texts about how I *must* have feelings for him basically because I'm polite towards him and we've talked via text message and went to the movies together once, and he "shared personal information" with me (i.e. saw me taking my Zoloft and blurted out that he once was on it too). He was really insistent on telling ME what MY feelings towards him must obviously be, and that I'm going after jerks and losers and tools but HE knows how to treat women so OBVIOUSLY we're meant to be together.

Oh, also I'm moving to a new city this summer and I tried to let him down easy, saying that he is nice and all but I am not interested in starting anything with anyone here because I will be moving away. He was, I shit you not, essentially begging me to "give it a shot" and see how things progressed. Keep in mind I actually met him through my ex, and have only really been talking to him substantially (and I use that word loosely) for a short amount of time. He literally does not comprehend the gentle hints I've been trying to give him.

Now, our big group vacation is coming up in two weeks so I'm being civil, but after that I'm cutting him out. I hope he doesn't try to stop me from talking to other guys, because while I'd rather not have a stern discussion with him, I might need to. He actually gives me the creeps. Yeesh.