MagHag - Jezebel Comments

MagHag

LesterNemesis — Fri, 23 May 2008 19:58:03 EDT

@blackbirdfly:
Actually that cleavage story was supposed to be a parody, like if "men edited cosmo" (you would have cleavage all the time!) But I guess it wasn't so far removed from their actual content that it worked as satire.

LesterNemesis

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namesake — Tue, 20 May 2008 22:33:19 EDT

Cosmo isn't about third-world genital mutilation? Who knew!

namesake

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Ack — Tue, 20 May 2008 19:28:37 EDT

I read Cosmo for almost 10 years, and finally gave up my subscription when I realized just how anti-feminist it really is. So yes, Ms. White, some people who read your crappy mag DO find it sexist. For me, the straw that broke the camel's back was when I read an article that basically blamed women for when their husband's cheat, by saying maybe we weren't 'jealous' enough. (Example? Tori Spelling's husband who left his fist wife for Tori - after his wife encouraged him to be friendly to her while they were working together on something or other. What a load of dung.)

Ack

MagHag

joellevand — Tue, 20 May 2008 17:27:18 EDT

That should be 5'10"

joellevand

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joellevand — Tue, 20 May 2008 17:27:05 EDT

Everytime I read articles about how to please my man in bed, I feel SO empowered! Honestly!

I did a paper on this once, for a women's studies class. Most of the articles in Cosmo are male-centric, and the ones in the "Cosmo for your Guy" section actually pander to the worst stereotypes of women. They also seem to assume that all women are white, straight, and about 5'1" 108 lbs. It makes me feel great about myself, HONEST!

joellevand

MagHag

♥ dosido ☮ — Tue, 20 May 2008 16:08:26 EDT

@AbbyNormal: You sly woman. Come sit by me.

♥ dosido ☮

MagHag

plzprettypuss — Tue, 20 May 2008 16:00:41 EDT

The true talent of Cosmo is being able to rewrite the same freakin BJ tips in different ways so that women think they really are new, but they aren't.

I was shocked when my boyfriend calmly explained to me that blowjobs aren't that involved. With few exceptions, they usually go off without a hitch. Cosmo dicked it up for me for years.

plzprettypuss

MagHag

kansasgirl — Tue, 20 May 2008 15:55:23 EDT

I think all of you who say Cosmo's article are all about pleasing men are a little off-base.

The articles are all about pleasing RICH men.

kansasgirl

MagHag

Tits.McGee — Tue, 20 May 2008 15:47:05 EDT

Kate White's may be the shallowest, most vapid statements I've read all year. And I have a LiveJournal account.

Tits.McGee

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Hott_Riot — Tue, 20 May 2008 15:41:38 EDT

@♥ dosido ☮: I've been nibbling donuts from around my man's "special area" since Cosmo told me to about five years and I've put on 40 pounds! If only I had known I could "get his fire started" using a scrunchie, maybe he wouldn't have left me for a thinner (better) woman! Oh, Cosmo. I hate myself for loving you.

Hott_Riot

MagHag

blackbirdfly — Tue, 20 May 2008 15:12:44 EDT

@vivresavie17: Okay, I TOTALLY missed that. Now it makes sense. But yeah, still really fucking stupid.

blackbirdfly

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ShoplifterOfTheWorld — Tue, 20 May 2008 14:49:00 EDT

My theory - Cosmo is secretly run by the Maxim fellas, how else will they get girls to stroke their taints?

ShoplifterOfTheWorld

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vivresavie17 — Tue, 20 May 2008 14:39:22 EDT

Soooo, I read the article with the funeral cleavage, and I hate to pop y'alls' bubbles (bc I truly despise Cosmo's airhead tone) but it was a joke article--part of their segment, "If Men Edited Cosmo". Which I think almost makes it worse, as that section was written with a lighthearted, boys-will-be-boys, misogyny-sanctioning tone. Like, "Aren't men such endearing hornball lunks--why expect more?"

vivresavie17

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Topsyjane — Tue, 20 May 2008 14:35:54 EDT

@toastandlove: Head-butting and/or giving guys pink-belly works fine for me. Then, when i get to know him better, I roll out the Indian rope burns, the Wet Willies and the dreaded Rear Admiral~

Topsyjane

MagHag

tonightineed — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:56:46 EDT

@♥ dosido ☮: Annnnd I just choked on my smoothie. Well done :)

tonightineed

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TheFormerJuneBronson — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:54:28 EDT

It's kind of a shame she doesn't care about the magazine's history, or else she'd know that it used to have the naked mens in it. That was real empowerment. Instead, it just reinforces women's objectification--by both men and other women.

I dunno, more than any intelligent argument that could be made in favor of Cosmo as feminist, it bothers me that she didn't even have the wherewithal to make it. She just insisted that it was so. I suppose that passes for discourse when you have a job with a salary and benefits. It's not good enough for the rest of us.

TheFormerJuneBronson

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HoboQueen — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:42:53 EDT

I don't like Cosmo. I don't like the message it sends to women. The whole things strikes me as being rather vapid and it's just not my thing. So, I don't read it. But I can see the reasoning behind not mixing the Cosmo fluff with serious issues. Of course, if you are going to do that then don't expect anyone to take your magazine seriously. I mean, I'm assuming here that women reading other things besides Cosmo. That's not an unreasonable assumption to make, is it?

HoboQueen

MagHag

LaComtesse — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:37:32 EDT

@Tramputee: "I find not having a clitoris really helped my relationship," she confesses, applying Chanel lipgloss ($45, Sephora). "Because it allows me to focus solely on his pleasure, which, if you think about it, is way more important than mine, anyway."

LaComtesse

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LaComtesse — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:35:30 EDT

@toastandlove: I won over Mr. La Comtesse by giving him a chemical burn a la Tyler Durden, I don't know what YOU'RE talking about...

LaComtesse

MagHag

rosasparks — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:35:19 EDT

@cinemaddict: yeah, really great advice, isn't it?

This woman's ridiculousness knows no bounds. The idea that being sexually liberated = being sexy to pick up men makes me wanna throw something.

& OF COURSE they would write an article about appropriate cleavage. I want to meet someone who reads that & is empowered by that. I REALLY do.

rosasparks

MagHag

toastandlove — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:31:16 EDT

Man, I read one of those Cosmo sex advice thingies once. It was all like, "Tip # 4: Men Like Kissing!". 'Cause up to then I was getting all intimate with dudes by head-butting them and slapping their bellies.

toastandlove

MagHag

Tramputee — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:30:43 EDT

It's just as well Cosmo doesn't cover "the genital mutilation of women in the Third World"...In Next Month's Issue: The inspiring true story of a woman who survived genital mutilation, got a makeover, and snagged a man! Her sex tips revealed!

Tramputee

MagHag

TheGarlicSong — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:22:43 EDT

That comment about genital mutilation is prety offensive, really. "lyk omg, who kares? we gots to keep ourselves SEXAAAAAAY for dah mens, dats wha us wimmens do!"

When every headline of your magazine reads something about how to please your man every second of your life, it's time to fucking change your articles.

TheGarlicSong

MagHag

bostontonian — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:21:52 EDT

"I don't ask the staff. I don't care what they think." Wow, she sounds like a nightmare boss.

bostontonian

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NefariousNewt — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:17:11 EDT

@AbbyNormal: OK, I read that and almost choked on my soda.

NefariousNewt

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NefariousNewt — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:16:38 EDT

@blackbirdfly: Now that you mention it, I don't see Cosmo in many waiting rooms anymore. I wonder if that might have something to do with it...

NefariousNewt

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AbbyNormal — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:16:21 EDT

@blackbirdfly: I have no doubt that it is the truth you speak. It is Cosmo. Showing a lot of cleavage at a funeral seems kind of inappropriate, unless maybe the decedent was a porn star. You know, you came to bury Caesar, not to raise him.

AbbyNormal

MagHag

tscheese — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:14:35 EDT

@tscheese: Augh, that should be "patriarchy IN my cosmos." I sexily ruined my sexy already-ruined overextended sexy analogy.

tscheese

MagHag

ArtfulSlinger — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:14:29 EDT

Helen Gurley Brown and her predecessors just followed Hugh Heffner's advice and just flipped the roles for women. It wasn't neccessarily the most feminist positive road to equality, but it allowed women to act similar to men, which in some circles acted like an equalizer.

ArtfulSlinger

MagHag

powerblonde — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:13:37 EDT

NOTHING says "empowerment" like the leopard print dress she sports on her website. And by "empowerment" I mean Fran Drescher.

powerblonde

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nycdj — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:13:18 EDT

What?! Because women who have orgasms can't possibly be interested in the outside world, let alone think at all. I am now convinced that Kate White is one of those male douche writers Jezebel brings to our attention. How sad.

nycdj

MagHag

NefariousNewt — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:13:17 EDT

@Archetype: Those who do not learn from the past... are doomed to create a really bad women's magazine.

NefariousNewt

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tscheese — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:13:07 EDT

Sexual liberation isn't a bad thing at all! In fact it's one of the reasons why it's now socially acceptable for us to have soul-searing climaxes and then talk about it on the Internet the next day, instead of dutifully submitting to the missionary position until our husbands are done having their way.

It's when sexual liberation and freedom becomes equated with the pursuit of pleasing dudes that it kind of becomes an issue. Cosmo seems overwhelmingly to be about "OMG, you should totally make him sexily think you're sexy with your sexing!" instead of "HAY GUISE, have some orgasms because it's fun and they make you feel less stabby."

It's not empowerment if you're still buying into the patriarchy. I don't like patriarchy is my Cosmos. It interferes with the cranberry.

tscheese

MagHag

rednrowdy — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:12:55 EDT

@ineffable.me: the only time i showed funeral cleavage was when my ex boyfriend's stepmother passed away. it was the day after i moved into my apartment and my entire life was packed up in boxes. i found the first black dress and went with it.

rednrowdy

MagHag

♥ dosido ☮ — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:12:23 EDT

@ineffable.me: But what if the undertaker is HOT? And I hear they make good money - all the better to fund your chosen lifestyle of appletinis and shopping trips once you Land Him With Your Stellar Beej Technique By Making Him Feel Like A Real Man (p. 146)!

♥ dosido ☮

MagHag

PaintedTrollop — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:11:49 EDT

@Poppy Muldoon:

I'm almost agreeing with you - except that WE buy the sleazy rag. WE keep them in business, which says something pathetic about our need to be treated like dumbasses by a magazine that talks down to us.

PaintedTrollop

MagHag

rednrowdy — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:11:27 EDT

@bananastandJessicaLovejoy: I think God put you here to test *my* faith...: i'm with you on the poo nearby excuse. best excuse ever, i think.

rednrowdy

MagHag

Topsyjane — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:09:43 EDT

@cinemaddict: Well, everyone does grieve differently.

Actually, I'd be surprised if Cosmo hasn't had that advice in an article about great places to meet men, such as funerals, family court, sperm banks....

Topsyjane

MagHag

LaComtesse — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:08:55 EDT

@Poppy Muldoon: We're talking about Cosmo and the message it sends its readers, not the readers themselves.

LaComtesse

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blackbirdfly — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:07:23 EDT

@rosasparks: @ineffable.me: @AbbyNormal: I'm not making this up. Cosmo really is that stupid. And the "funeral cleavage" photo was showing way more cleavage than I would feel comfortable showing ANYWHERE (well, all the photos were).

blackbirdfly

MagHag

Topsyjane — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:07:07 EDT

@bananastand: Exactly! Who says ladies don't like science?

@Rose_Selavy: I've believed this for a while and the above article only fortifies my opinion, that 'empower' and 'empowerment' are meaningless words, joining 'gourmet' and 'home-style'.

Topsyjane

MagHag

girlscoutcookie — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:06:35 EDT

Actually, in one of my classes this past semester we had a discussion about the content & influence of women's magazines and how they're anti-feminist and haven't changed at all since the fifties, and this one girl was all "No way! Women's magazines are feminist and empowering and way different now than sixty years ago!" so I emailed my professor a couple of Jezebel Cover Lies features & that post where that chick from the thirties explained what ladymags are all about and he definitely brought them in to the next class to support the point. And I got extra credit. So thanks, Jezebel.

girlscoutcookie

MagHag

bananastand — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:04:57 EDT

@Topsyjane: Why, yes! I worked hard for that degree, dammit!

bananastand

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cinemaddict — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:04:38 EDT

@ineffable.me: That's what I thought until a close family member stepped out of the limousine at her own father's funeral with her tits spilling out in a very uncomfortable way. But everyone was like, well, she's grieving, so....

cinemaddict

MagHag

Poppy Muldoon — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:03:30 EDT

OK but but but... aren't we all assuming that ladies who read Cosmo are purely stupid and totally informed by one flimsy glossy mag and nothing else? Isn't that patronising? I don't like Cosmo, I don't like it's coverlines, I don't like any man-pleasing bass-line agenda BUT I don't think women are as easily proscribed to as all that. Even the ones who read Cosmo. A gal can dip in and out of that crap, even enjoy it, look at the pretty ladies and the pretty frocks, and read silly articles on gob jobs without it informing everything about her. When we talk about popular culture dumbing us down, aren't we totally underestimating, you know, erm, US?

Poppy Muldoon

MagHag

cinemaddict — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:02:53 EDT

@rosasparks: This is the kind of advice that leads to good guys like my BF thinking they don't really care about receiving oral. Licking it like an ice cream cone? God. Yeah, lick it like you're afraid of it, girls!

cinemaddict

MagHag

Eeva — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:02:30 EDT

Maybe that's a typo? All those readers had just read the anti-shine makeup tips so they wrote in to say "Thanks Cosmo! I feel so empowdered."

Anyway, did she not realise how flip "readers don't come to Cosmo to learn about the genital mutilation of women in the Third World." sounds?
It's like a line from How to Lose a Guy in 10 Days, which I realise is an embarrassing reference to make.

Eeva

MagHag

AbbyNormal — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:01:49 EDT

@blackbirdfly: Funeral cleavage? Did the article have a special pull-out cleavage ruler? I would hate to confuse my Briss cleavage with my Baby Shower cleavage or my PTA meeting cleavage. That's a lot of numbers to store in my brain along with this month's Cosmo sex tips.

AbbyNormal

MagHag

ineffable.me — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:01:42 EDT

@BritneyCanadaWhore: like the crackers? because those are delicious.

ineffable.me

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Topsyjane — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:01:29 EDT

@bananastand: So like a PhD you're bananastand, DaS?

Topsyjane

MagHag

Rose_Selavy_pppfffth — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:01:19 EDT

Gaaackadak, reading the entire article made me even more nauseous. KW strikes me as one of those shiny Teflon people who freaks out if a bird shits on their windshield. Outside world? Horrors, keep it away from me! I am in Cosmoland empowering women!

I guess I don't understand empowerment. Silly me.

Rose_Selavy_pppfffth

MagHag

LaComtesse — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:00:57 EDT

@JessicaLovejoy: I think God put you here to test *my* faith...: Wait! You forgot your cockring/scrunchie!!!!

I couldn't have said it any better myself... though I would probably through in a few more LOLs or J/Ks, as they tend to cut the level one wishes to be taken seriously (or should I say srsly) in half.

LaComtesse

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ineffable.me — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:00:43 EDT

@blackbirdfly: I'm pretty sure the rule for funeral cleavage is: NONE.

UGH UGH UGH UGH UGH

My disdain for this woman is just ridiculous. She sent her assistant to get some clothes from the store I used to work at and she picked out all this stuff and we were supposed to call her back but no one wanted to. We asked ourselves "do we really want someone from Cosmo wearing our clothes?" and before we could answer, there was a random customer in the store and she turned and said "No, you dont" Then she left. We dont know if she was offended or not, but we didnt care, we had our answer.

ineffable.me

MagHag

BritneyCanadaWhore — Tue, 20 May 2008 13:00:25 EDT

Cosmo: treating readers like goldfish since the 1970s - renew now!

BritneyCanadaWhore

MagHag

bananastand — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:59:09 EDT

@JessicaLovejoy: I think God put you here to test *my* faith...: What can I say? I am a Doody Avoidance Specialist.

bananastand

MagHag

rosasparks — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:58:41 EDT

@blackbirdfly: Y'know, I'd probably cut that out & put it on my dresser. I definitely need to know what amount of cleavage I need to show at any given event/situation.

Funeral cleavage? What?

rosasparks

MagHag

poogirl — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:57:58 EDT

So that's why Cosmo has the same articles every month.

poogirl

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Eeva — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:57:55 EDT

@♥ dosido ☮: I missed out on the [scrunchies from] part of that sentence, and for a minute I was like "whoa, bonerkiller indeed."

Eeva

MagHag

AbbyNormal — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:57:54 EDT

I think she is confusing not caring about the past with not remembering the past. Otherwise they wouldn't print the same sex tips every month, with the exception of a few variables like scrunchies and wax.

AbbyNormal

MagHag

JessicaLovejoy is voting for Kodos — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:57:13 EDT

@LaComtesse: Deer Cosmo:

Thanx 4 orel sex tips. GTGO, must blow boss under desk nao!

Yrs,
SexySexualDollBabyFU143

JessicaLovejoy is voting for Kodos

MagHag

blackbirdfly — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:56:56 EDT

@rosasparks: Oh, that reminds me...I meant to mention this to y'all. I was in the doctor's office the other day looking through a Cosmo and it had a section on the right amount of cleavage to show for different occasions, including funerals, work, weddings, etc. The funny thing was, in every picture showing the "proper" amount of cleavage for each different setting, the model's cleavage looked EXACTLY the same to me. I could not see any difference between funeral cleavage and date cleavage. Did anyone else see this? It's really pretty fucking hilarious.

blackbirdfly

MagHag

SarahMC — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:56:09 EDT

Guuuuuh, wha? She doesn't even answer the question. Probs cause she doesn't understand it.

Her readers think Cosmo is empowering because they've been fed a steady diet of bullshit equating SEXAYYY with "empowering!" Oh, they aren't actually any more powerful thanks to Cosmo. They just think they are, because they got a good makeup tip & learned how to give a beej in a whole new way.

SarahMC

MagHag

rosasparks — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:55:03 EDT

@♥ dosido ☮: Dear God....

rosasparks

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MissKittyFantastico — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:54:27 EDT

Maybe Cosmo readers only care about the here and now because they are all only 13 years old. Not much past for a 13 year-old to remember, unless you're penning your memoires at 15 like Miley!

MissKittyFantastico

MagHag

LaComtesse — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:54:01 EDT

"So many of our readers write in to tell us about how empowered they are."

I can say I live in Buckingham Palace, but my 1 br in Washington Heights would prove otherwise...

LaComtesse

MagHag

rosasparks — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:53:43 EDT

Her magazine recently published an "informative" article explaining that giving blow jobs is just like licking a soft serve ice cream cone. I read that a few weeks back waiting to get my eyebrows waxed.

Um, yeah...

rosasparks

MagHag

CarolKat — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:53:41 EDT

Nobody said that the only way to be feminist is to write articles about female genital mutilation. What an idiot. The magazine is anti-feminist because of all the messages, overt and subtle, that tell women they're inadequate in some way. Recently someone said that an Allure quiz determined that she was an alcoholic. We were like, stick to what your good at ladymags- making me feel bad about my body! Stay away from my drinks!

CarolKat

MagHag

funnyface — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:53:35 EDT

"Empowered?" I stopped reading Cosmo when I realized it had nothing to do with female pleasure. It was all about pleasing a man, the right dress to wear to get a man, the eyeshadow to wear to get a man, how to sit in a bar to get a man....

funnyface

MagHag

JessicaLovejoy is voting for Kodos — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:52:36 EDT

@bananastand: Oh, that's your excuse for everything.

JessicaLovejoy is voting for Kodos

MagHag

es-ki-mo — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:52:29 EDT

Dear Cosmo,

Thanks for empowering me. Without you, where would I put my hot wax? I'm as happy as some people from the past who did something good. Like Queen LaTifa. Or those happy happy people in the fourth universe.

hugs and nipple clamps,
es-ki-mo

es-ki-mo

MagHag

ineffable.me — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:52:12 EDT

@formerlyzivah: yeah you cant say something is anti feminist if you dont even know what feminism is to begin with.

ineffable.me

MagHag

Topsyjane — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:52:02 EDT

"Readers don't come to Cosmo to learn about the genital mutilation of women in the Third World."

They read it to learn about genital mutilation of their boyfriends with candles, pepper, Windex. Sexeeee!

Topsyjane

MagHag

formerlyzivah — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:51:10 EDT

Hey Kate! Ever consider that the reader doesn't judge Cosmo to be anti-feminist because the magazine is so horrible that anyone reading it is unlikely to find anything anti-feminist?

formerlyzivah

MagHag

bananastand — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:51:08 EDT

Cosmo is always urging women to stroke men's taints. WHY? I don't wanna! There's poo nearby.

bananastand

MagHag

jemandtheholograms — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:50:54 EDT

it's totally empowering. as discussed yesterday, it teaches you to release your inner dominatrix by dripping hot wax down your bf's back door...and if it goes wrong, it also could include genital mutilation. win, win!

jemandtheholograms

MagHag

Scoregasm — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:50:48 EDT

Okay, but until people realize there is a problem with genital mutilation, they won't go ANYWHERE to learn about it. Sometimes your job as a mass-audience magazine is to fucking inform people of issues like this. Then maybe they can search out a source other than Cosmo to get the details.

Scoregasm

MagHag

ineffable.me — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:50:39 EDT

Cosmo is one of the main causes of the dumbing down of American women. I am fucking certain of this.

But what exactly can we expect of a woman who writes shit like this?

ineffable.me

MagHag

girlscoutcookie — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:50:29 EDT

Umm... what do you say to people who DON'T think Cosmo is anti-feminist? Besides asking them if they've ever read it?

girlscoutcookie

MagHag

blackbirdfly — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:50:22 EDT

Empowered by the stupid ass sex suggestions, multiple choice quizzes, lists of things "all Cosmo girls" should do, and ten trillion articles on how to trick a dude into being your boyfriend? Totally.

blackbirdfly

MagHag

Philthyist — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:50:21 EDT

Fhwaa?
Jez didn't you know?
Cosmo is a sexy sexual feminist. Read the readers letters, yo!

"our reader doesn't care about the past. She's all about the here and now."

Thats great, you cannot improve the future without building from the past. Stupid.

Philthyist

MagHag

JessicaLovejoy is voting for Kodos — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:49:52 EDT

Come to think of it, shoving things up dude's butts doesn't seem anti-feminist at all.

JessicaLovejoy is voting for Kodos

MagHag

♥ dosido ☮ — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:48:58 EDT

Whenever I remove scrunchies from my boyfriend's dick with my teeth I feel JUST LIKE GLORIA STEINEM. True story. Thanks, Cosmo!

♥ dosido ☮

MagHag

Archetype — Tue, 20 May 2008 12:48:54 EDT

I find it irritating that she doesn't care about the past of the magazine.

Archetype