<![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control - Jezebel Comments]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control - Jezebel Comments]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> I'm a little upset that so many of you (especially the ones who claim to be professionals who work with children) are so quick to throw the 'sexual abuse' label. We sure do live in a quick to judge society don't we? Can we please count the ways a child could have learned to say such things that don't involve them being directly sexually abused? My number one guess is that they learned it from their friends--it's incredible what kids say these days--you would be shocked to know the terms that come out of the a little 7 year olds mouth. This is different time ladies and gentlemen--access to porn plus promiscuous tv shows/movies have really taught children the wrong things. I just feel sorry for the parents--not because they don't deserve blame for being bad disciplinarians, but because people are throwing these unfounded horrible accusations there way as if they know it all.

Further, kids that age are sexually curious--they know the difference between a 'lady private part' and a 'male private part' and they are curious. Haven't you heard of little kids asking, "If you show me yours, I'll show you mine" . These kids have just learned that what they are doing is bad and have associated it with a bad word they learned.

I'm sorry, this is a very personal topic for me. A close friend of mine was accussed of sexually abusing her child when the truth was simply that her little girl learned some tawdry behavior from a friend and kept repeating it to others. It absolutely devasted the family and was a serious lesson to not jump on any conclusions without checking out all possible options.

MakeMeSmile

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @petuniacat: ehhh they can learn it from the schoolyard and daycare, not just at home--and usually they're saying it without understanding the meaning at all.

onesong

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> And when I say before this I mean I should have checked a few days ago

Iheartme

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Final: I should have checked the comments before this, but what I was referring to was the fact that children learn by example. But spanking should not be the only method of discipline that you use. And definitely kids need follow through and consistency. I was spanked, and will probably spank my (very very) future children. I also knew that when my parents said they were going to do something, they meant it. My mother only had to raise an eyebrow to make my siblings and I scramble to do what we were told.

Iheartme

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> My mom and dad both spanked...but they made sure to explain to me what I had done wrong first. I was always made aware that they didn't like to spank me, but did it so that I would be a good person someday. I guess I was lucky that they explained to me what was going on.

ANd yeah, I plan on spanking my kids someday.
@MonkeyButt:


PoisonPixie

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> This is F@#$ed up. Who taught these children to say those things and behave like that? And why oh why would any parents permit that for a half second? As far as I'm concerned they should be taken away from their parents at least until they have had parenting classes....sometimes "loving" your kinds isn't enough.

PoisonPixie

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> When any idiot can have kids, any idiot will.

Neopatra

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> I really just loved the comedy 'crunching' sound effect when the kid bit the dad. Amazing.

This is the thing that terrifies me about people who have kids. Everyone thinks they're going to be great parents, and for some people that is just woefully not the case.

Wouldn't you love to be the teacher that gets to school these little monsters? How come they never interview them?

maryn

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> Um. No, it was right before summer, the teacher didnt' do anything. Then his father murdered his mother when my friend was 13 and he ran away and lived on the street, got picked up by a pimp, got addicted to meth. Got half beaten to death by an 18 year old boyfriend and then was finally rescued by the family of the man he later married, so, happy ending? Except, well, it takes one abused kid to fall in love with another abused kid, so it was kinda an out of the frying pan into the fire situ..

nardo218

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @kansasgirl:

my grandma had me and my cousin convinced of the foot massage thing too. she'd make it a competition, with each of us doing a foot.

Jan74

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> My mom only ever had to say NO for me to be afraid. Any threat she made, she kept and I learned real damn fast what I could and could not get away with. My mom may have fucked up in other areas and we had a lot of problems later on, but my brother and I were good teenagers who didn't drink, do drugs, or go crazy in the sex department until we were both over 18. And we were products of broken homes and divorce - my mom was far from June Cleaver.

Kids today don't scare me nearly as much as the parents do.

hexychick

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Cam/ron: Hey watch it. *I* was a mute recluse who sat in my room all day long...

LAS

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @petuniacat: I can say that kids don't necessarily have had to be sexually abused to be sexually aggressive. Some kids know that an individuals private are is "off limits" (check out the media, hard not to learn this) and will purposefully hit that area because they know it's bad.

MakeMeSmile

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> What came out of that kids nose? I want more C.J. clips now!

TwiceShy

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @fashionably-challenged: I am joining this convo sooooo late. But on the off chance you ever see this, you are so right. I have always wished there were a way to make people take a test and undergo observation before producing human life. You have to do so before adoption. What the frick is the difference? (and i know thats messing with reproductive rights. i just cant stand to see any more stupid mean people make babies that turn into stupid mean people.)

stefzizzle

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> i want to be the super nanny when i grow up. my first rule of order will be dispensing birth control pills like candy to the mom's of crazy ass children.

nesoxochi

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @ceejeemcbeegee (just debatin' not hatin'): Me and my friend Pep promised that if we had kids, we'd be beating their asses in the grocery store together.

Hey, I'm from a Third World Country. Now that I have a son, I give permission to his godparents to spank his ass if he acts up. It takes a village, man.

Guerilla Busfare

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> So many of the people who would actually be good parents aren't having children, and so many people who should not be parents insist on breeding, then refuse to do the parenting. Humanity is pretty much doomed.

bratkeeper1729

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> Checking in with the spanked, plan to spank if I have kids, and proud of it brigade. I would never touch one of my friend's children, but you better believe they listen to me when they get the Supernanny kneel-down, straight in the eye, low calm tone "You are misbehaving.". Works like a charm.
My husband's dad once got on the school bus with him when he was a junior in high school. My husband had been mouthing off to the bus driver and made her cry. My husband's dad got up in the morning and got on the bus with him in front of all of his friends and said he'd be riding the bus with him until he learned how to ride the bus like a big boy. He made my husband apologize to the driver too. Best dad ever.


meeroom

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> Before I had kids, I'd think the kids were bad. Now that I have kids, I know it's the parents.

ascq

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> What I want to know is why the families on this show always look like they live in brand new McMansion model homes. Do they not pick anyone who lives in an old house? Too small for the camera angles or what?

chlauraform

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> All this talk of spanking... Did no one else's parents count? I swear my parents never made it to 1. I'm not even sure what the threat was at the end of the countdown, actually.

exelizabeth

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> From 00:37 on what is the mother wearing? Is that a belt across her boobs? I mean, I realize there are larger problems outside of that shirt, but still... it looks painful.

ProjectZoe

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> whoa, whoa, whoa.... "I'll f*k your privates one day"?! Kids should be at least ten before they start to say stuff along those lines.
And also... do they just use the same take of nanny mugging for the camera? Or does she spend the majority of her stay making "sheesh" faces?

prestocaro

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @I, SBJ, A Fucking Dyke: That entire story is wonderful-- seriously, it made my boring-doing-nothing-at-work afternoon considerably better.

ProjectZoe

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @langtry: Had my first at 31, and my second (and last) at 42. I don't know what that mom's issues are, but no kid of mine, no matter how old my butt is, would ever get away with that kind of behavior. Has nothing to do with age of parents and everything to do with willingness to parent.

neitherherenorthere

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> I just can't believe how terrible some parents are. And it's like, when the kids get that bad so that nobody can really tame them, what the fuck are you supposed to do?

I work in a retail store and I witness a lot of shitty ass parenting. Once this mom's kids were playing in the hanging rugs (they were about four and five) and I told her that she really shouldn't let them be playing there because it was a safety hazard. And she told me, "Oh, well you should probably tell them that because they weren't going to listen to me."

I had to work so hard to keep my jaw from falling off.

Bekanator

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> my parents spanked me (hand, belt, wooden paddle) and although we turned out to be good kids I think they did it because they were never good communicators. To this day we cannot effectively communicate. Parents, I think, often turn to an easy fix (like spanking) instead of actually talking to their children and building a relationship.

MonkeyButt

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @blondegrlz: I definitely heard curse words from my parents as a kid, and I didn't even know what would happen to me if I ever said those words but I knew it was not something I wanted to find out. I don't know how I knew this, but I just knew that some things were for grownups and not for me. My parents were pretty strict in other ways so that might have helped. I'm not saying it's good to curse in front of your kids, just that it's possible to mess up sometimes and still set a tone for them that they do not have all the privileges of an adult.

teapartys_over

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> Oh, and the "no, we're the butt family" totally made me laugh. Even though I shouldn't admit it.

winnie the pooh

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> That kid needs to be hog-tied for a while. I don't know why that seems like the right thing to do, but it's all I want to do. Not hurt him, just hog tie him.

winnie the pooh

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> You need a license to have a dog, but you don't need nothin' to be a parent.

cipsi

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @langtry: Got it, thanks for clarifying, and that makes sense-- I do see your point about many people thinking now that you have the income, it'll be easy. Which in some ways is understandable, because what we hear most often is how expensive it is to raise a child, problems finding and paying for good daycare, and paying for college.

But still no excuse, because money doesn't actually raise the kids-- parents need to do that!

formergr

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> Was that boog bloody?!

jewess

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Ms. Pants: Haaahhaa! I mean, shame on you for harassing those kitties.

When they are about to do something bad I say, "I don't think so." and whatever was about to happen doesn't. Gotta love the kitties.

CreoleSugar

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @fulana.de.tal: I noticed that too, and I was thinking maybe they could devote hair gel time to parenting time?

Improvident_Lackwit

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> WOW. I can understanding having hard to handle kids, but this ... this is just horrible. What the fuck did those parents DO to these kids?!

little stripes

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @nardo218: so, what ended up happening with your friend? I'm assuming the teacher tried to figure out what was going on and things went from there?

@randomeliza: I make sure I ALWAYS follow through with my 3 y/o daughter. Ex: last night she was refusing to put her pajamas on and I told her if she didn't cooperate within a given amount of time, she would have to sleep in her clothes. Guess what? She slept in her clothes.

Improvident_Lackwit

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @formergr: No, not at all!

I just think that, based on my conversations with women around my age, they seem to have a romantisized idea of what it means to have a baby/be a parent. Truth be told, the experience can be physically, emotionally and financially draining, and I think they really ought to seriously consider that this could be their experience of parenting before going ahead, having said baby, and complaining that this isn't what it's supposed to be like. I think women my age should be asking themselves a tough question: Do you really want to be dealing with something like this? Older mothers are high risk pregnancies, and hyperactivity disorders are more common in children of older mothers than younger ones, so it's a very real possibility that this could happen to them.

Friends my age who are seriously considering having kids seem to have a remarkably idealized view of the whole enterprise, as if it'll be great because they have the income for kids now, etc. (Hollywood and the media does nothing to dispel this myth). The mother here seems to be in a major depression over what it means to be a parent.

Raising kids takes the piss out of people far younger than me, and I know I would not want to deal with this sort of behavior. Hence, I don't have kids.

langtry

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> Ow my balls.

I can't watch this show anymore. It infuriates me. It should be renamed "You are total failures as parents."

Regarding spanking, we were spanked in my family--never hard enough to truly hurt; just enough to let us know that whatever we'd done was NOT okay. My mother toted around a wooden spoon in her purse for a while and if we acted up, she'd just pull the handle out and we shut right up. Now, she never used the spoon on us but for some reason, it was enough of a catalyst to keep us quiet. And I can count on one hand the number of spankings I personally received. I didn't need more than a couple to know how I was expected to behave.

And Sugarless, word to the kitties knowing the word "No." Mine also know "get down" and "back up." The "back up" is the most fun. It started with me telling them to back away from the front door when I came home (so they wouldn't sprint outside). Now, I can just randomly call "back up!" and three little kitties will look around like "what?!" while taking three or four steps backwards. (Okay, I don't do that very often, but it's always funny when I do!)

Ms. Pants

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> I have to object, though, to the notion that some children are not inherently bad. I knew a kid from a truly fucked up family that would have been fucked up regardless of who raised him. There was just something OFF about him, you know? I warned everyone I knew that he was dangerous, and lo and behold, he shot sleeping man to death before he hit puberty. And these kids remind me of him.

AnnieGetYourFun

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @kungfutoday: My cats totes understand the word, "no". And you don't have to yell it or be firm - no means no and the kitties respect that.

CreoleSugar

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @fulana.de.tal: Haha! So true. It's my litmus test for men, too. Hair gel? Bad sign.

brassinpocket

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> Shitty brainless parents = shitty brainless kids

Or....

Serial killers have to start somewhere.

zivah

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> the parents' questionable use of hair gel on their children says a lot about their questionable parenting skills, in my opinion.

fulana.de.tal

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @langtry: @LilahCello: I don't get it. I usually try to keep in mind that every kid is different and not all styles will work with one kid (or every kid in one family), but I think there are some universals. And paying ten dollars to traumatize your kid -- when there are plenty of G and PG movies made for kids -- is insane.

And while I do think spanking may be effective in certain situations, I don't think it would work for the parents from the show. They would probably just start smacking for every little thing and it would become regular and useless. With my kids, I struggle with too many boundaries and letting go. I'm a helicopter parent and realize this can be just as damaging, so I actively work at resisting my bubble-wrapping instincts. But still, Sweeney Todd? The Bone Collector? PORN?? The fuck?

Meg

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> Wow, after that clip, I think I might be driven to duct tape as a key parenting tool. I'd be tempted to try to drop those kids off in the middle of nowhere. Laws, shmaws. (Of course, I know those parents are to blame.)

Spanking to most people is not a beating. My parents spanked me only about 5 times, and in reality, it didn't hurt at all. However, it was something I could identify as a consequence I didn't want to occur, so if they threatened it, my behavior promptly improved.

I tried to ask my dog nicely last night to stop trying to eat my Taco Bell. Guess what? Asking a dog nicely or trying reason with it won't work. Similarly, it won't work with a toddler. A firm no and removing the child from the situation are much better.

The first half hour of Idiocracy is awesome.

kungfutoday

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @langtry: "This is why anyone my age (late 30's - early 40's) shouldn't be seriously considering having a baby. This woman is 44 and getting beaten up by her bratty-ass kids."

Wait, are you saying women in their late 30s/early 40s are too old to have kids, and this is what happens when they do??

formergr

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> Interesting that Supernanny Jo has no children, eh?
I'd like the show to follow up with these families 6 months down the line to note any progress or (more likely) police reports or divorce.


shunguy007

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @ceejeemcbeegee (just debatin' not hatin'): You are right, many parents want to be friends with their kids.
My mom and I were friends, but she was my MOTHER first. Forget that friend crap.

My little brother (16 years apart) told me he didn't like me when he was five. I laughed and said, "Who cares kid. We're related, you're stuck with me."
We love each other, I just thought it was funny he thought I was a friend and he could choose to stop speaking to me.



CreoleSugar

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Meg: Holy shit. Before we let our then 7 year old see the last Harry Potter film, we went to see it first. Sweeney Todd?! I am afraid to watch it! It really makes me wonder what parents are thinking. We are on constant patrol when our tv is on to make sure that he doesn't see "normal" commercials for many of the movies and tv shows they advertise.

LilahCello

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Le Kangourou de Kataroo (Bjork did it).: My sister and I were spanked, but not beaten. I think I was spanked 15 times in my life, maybe? It took a lot for my parents to get to the point of spanking, it was always the last resort. I truly do believe I am better for it.

Also, I see kids like this and I realize how lucky I am that I have the set of parents I have.

Sev

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @petuniacat: I was wondering the same thing. They have clearly seen or experience sexual behavior somewhere.

I'm torn b/wn feeling sorry for the parents and being angry at them. If they don't fix this in 15 years these two will be men and all of society's problem.

CreoleSugar

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @bifteck-frites: Well, and honestly, I think that's one of the best things about this show: once you get past your abject horror it does, or can, be a great lead-off to a really good conversation with yourself or with your partner about how you want to raise your kids.

I wonder if people watch this with their teenagers just to have that conversation. I would.

buttonflyer

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Meg: I remember two kids under 5 "attending" a showing of "The Bone Collector" (with Angelina and Denzel). Before the film started, I wanted to go over to them and say "You do realize what the title of this film is, don't you? Does it strike you as the kind of movie you want to take Toddlers to?"

langtry

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Final:

"it doens't take much, just a bad angle and the kid wiggling the wrong way. We'd have kids placed on protective holds and have a social worker investigate the situation and they'd be placed back in the home but the parent would be told not to use an open hand but a belt BY A SOCIAL WORKER..."

I'm not at all convinced. In fact, the fact that a SOCIAL WORKER advised this person to use a belt just makes me think the social worker's views are skewed. There are so many cases of abuse going on in the foster care system, and you wonder HOW COULD THE PEOPLE IN CHARGE LET THIS HAPPEN!!!? Where are the social workers?! And the social workers are there, only they've become desensitized and more permissive by having to deal with that sort of thing all the time.
It's a common phenomenon of people who are around this stuff kind of get pulled in by it and stop recognizing the situations for what they really are, even if they are trained to watch out for abuse.

umm_okay

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> This is why anyone my age (late 30's - early 40's) shouldn't be seriously considering having a baby. This woman is 44 and getting beaten up by her bratty-ass kids. This couldn't possibly have been the experience she thought she would be having by becoming a Mom. I suddenly feel really, really good about choosign 4-legged children over 2-legged ones (and I love kids, but not 24/7!).

langtry

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @peliroja: When I went to see Sweeney Todd, someone brought their five-year-old. He was well-behaved (or in complete shock), but everytime another throat was slit, I kept looking over at him hoping she would leave.

Meg

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @friedeggsammich: yeah, i was a little surprised how the father was all "oh, that's disgusting" when the little boy was picking his nose. what about all the other crap the kids were pulling? um, in the big scheme of things, 8 year old boys telling strange women they are going to fuck them one day is FAR MORE DISGUSTING than an 8 year old boy picking his own nose.

rednrowdy

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @MapleJam: Amen for parenting and boundaries. Just tonight I was at the movies (The Other Boleyn Girl, not exactly something to bring some 5 year-olds to) and some woman was allowing her rugrats to run amuck in the theater like banshees. I. Almost. Lost. It.

peliroja

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> At the very beginning of the clip, one of the boys yells, "I don't want to be alive anymore." This family is seriously fucked up. I love JoJo too, but her Chart of Consequences and Wheel of Fun with Daddy are not enough in this case...I watched the whole episode and my cheap (free!) diagnosis is that the parents are too depressed to deal. Also the dad is probably a sadist.

GinaRomantica

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @chatterboxwriting: @Sev: A good friend of mine recently gave her kids' toys away when they refused to clean them up. All in all, they're really good kids exactly because she does follow through on stuff like that.

She's an especially brilliant parent though. She has also convinced her kids (5 and 7 years old) that it's fun to give foot massages.

kansasgirl

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Sev: Your mom and my mom must have gone to the same parenting school. My mom was forever saying she'd throw my stuff away, and she always did if I didn't pick up/do my chores/whatever.

chatterboxwriting

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @buttonflyer: I love Nanny Jo, I especially like the way she appears in 'work clothes' and 'off duty clothes'. And it makes me laugh that the two sets of clothes are totally different on American Vs British TV...

beastybeatsy

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @ceejeemcbeegee (just debatin' not hatin'): Ugh, seriously. Kids need follow through, and these people just aren't. If you don't have the stones to discipline your eight year old, what are you going to do when he gets too big for you to physically pick up?

When I was seven I decided I didn't want to put on my coat after a showing of Aladdin in the movie theater. Mom told me if I didn't put on my coat and get up off the floor I wouldn't get to go to the movies again for a year. Damn if I didn't have to sit home once a week for a whole year while she went to the movies and left me with a sitter.

It's amazing how a little positive consistency on the part of someone in a kid's life can change a kid's behaviour in a huge way.

randomeliza

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> A good spanking would do them some good. Whatever happened to parents actually disciplining their children. I would go to town on them.

the dude

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> I'm sorry, I was LOLing at "YOU DO NOT PLAY WITH WROUGHT IRON!!!"

HAHAHAHA.

Issa

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> I'm a child care provider and can have as many as 6 kids under my charge at a time. I get this all the time.. "ooh you must have the patience of an aaanngeelll"

No. I don't. I have a pretty short fuse, actually. When I'm out in the street they walk around me no more than a yard away, and know to stop at curbs. If one of them does step over, they get a stern talkin to. I've had strangers give comments about how strict I am but damn, you wanna call the parents lil'precious has been run over by a car because I was pussy footing around?

Besides, there's something cute about a marching group of 3 year olds.

KaliMama (Ganesha is my Om boy)

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @KidPresentable: ... Prove it.

cde

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @KidPresentable: Gotcha! ;-)

ceejeemcbeegee

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Le Kangourou de Kataroo (Bjork did it).: Are you really that delusional, or are you just that self-centered?

Yeppers, they surely are!

When I had parents pull this card, I always invited them into my classroom to observe their kids behavior. "Pop by anytime, without warning!" I'd cheerfully offer. They'd either a) never show up and never utter another complaint or b) they'd watch their kids go from angel to demon in 20 minutes flat. Ahh, I love being right.

ceejeemcbeegee

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @ceejeemcbeegee (just debatin' not hatin'): Hmm, I didn't mean to conflate spanking with abuse, sorry if I did. In one of my earlier replies to another commenter I specifically took issue with their anecdote that they were "spanked" with a switch and a belt and other objects--I pointed out that I don't believe spanking involved more than an open palm.

I DO agree with you that spanking doesn't leave marks, but abuse does. That's what I meant to convey with my own anecdote. I should've been more straightforward.

KidPresentable

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> I recommend two viewings of Idiocracy for everyone ... the first one to laugh your azz off and the second one to become very depressed about how close to reality the movie actually is.

River and Hunter and SuperNanny...
I didn't watch the clip but have seen the show and I'm amazed at how many people continue to breed without any interest in the children that come from their little unions. So many people in this country are on autopilot and seem STUNNED that they have to raise their little bundles of joy into caring human beings. It's as if they are shocked that kids don't come with a sense of appropriate behavior when they are born. I'm excluding parents who are mentally ill and/or addicts. I'm talking about people who seem (on the surface) to be well-adjusted.

Of course, I don't want to be the victim of these little monsters or a co-worker but frankly, I'm at the point where I laugh at their delusional take on parenthood.

If parents want to continue to be helpless fuckwits when it comes to raising their spawn and rather appear on a TV show than seek professional therapy and support, fine.

Please keep it away from me and don't expect too much sympathy.

IamnotStarJones

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @ceejeemcbeegee (just debatin' not hatin'): These people never took personal responsibility for anything they did: it was always someone else's fault.

EXACTLY! The kids I watch now... the 8 year old had THREE seperate teachers give him detention in TWO WEEKS for the exact same thing. The parents' response? "Oh, they just don't like you at that school. You didn't do anything wrong. It's a school, not a prison." And so what does the 8 year old think? "Gee...I didn't do anything wrong. It's OKAY for me to talk and disturb everyone else around me when I feel like it because I'm not doing anything wrong!" And when he gets a report card home with mostly 1s and 2s out of 5s, and comments about how poor his behavior is? The parents: Your teacher is just trying to prove a point. There's no way you're underperforming in all these subjects (yet he has 0 reading comprehension and can barely read books on a 2nd grade level when he's in the 3rd grade, and still needs tools to help him do addition.). Seriously? Seriously? Are you really that delusional, or are you just that self-centered?

Le Kangourou de Kataroo

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> My comment got ate:

My momma always says, "A hard head makes a soft behind!"

ceejeemcbeegee

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @KidPresentable: I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree with you here. There is a BIG difference between spanking as discipline and physical abuse. Spanking doesn't leave bruises: abuse does.

@Final: Word. You don't reason with children. You tell children what to do, and they do it. But what about your kids rights? you may ask. Oh, they have rights alright. They have a right to feel safe and loved. They have a right to food, shelter, clothing. They have the right to remain silent. Anything they say can and will be used against them... ;-)

Parenting isn't a democracy, it's a MEocracy. Dinner is not subject to vote: It's time to eat, sit down and eat. Homework is non-negotiable: you do it first before you do anything else. I don't want to hear your version of the story: if I said I saw you do something, you did it.

What I found was most of my students parents were just plain immature. They'd tell me stories about how their mean their teachers were, always picking on them, getting them into trouble when they were completely innocent of any wrongdoing. I'd just raise my eyebrows and nod politely. These people never took personal responsibility for anything they did: it was always someone else's fault. And these folks would bring me their bad ass kids and ask in amazement: how did you get him/her to behave?

Someone commented earlier that kids like structure and discipline... your damn skippy they do! It makes them feel safe, like you are in control and in charge. They like to know exactly what to expect from you.

Anyway, I'm all for the spanking. As memory serves, right when they started all this spanking=abuse talk the kids started getting worse and worse. t behind."

ceejeemcbeegee

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> All 4 of us were spanked and we turned out fine. We were spanked, not BEAT. It was more following through with the threat of punishment than beating us into submission. We also got the ole' soap in the mouth, and we would be sent to the steps, where we would have to sit at the halfway point, neither up or down. If we were continuously bad at the dinner table, we had to turn our chair around and just sit there until we were excused. We also had our playroom locked multiple times. None of us are damaged or terrorized or the least bit messed up because of it. My parents were never irrational with their punishments, but they were consistent, which is the most important part.

Le Kangourou de Kataroo

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Ipomoea: I feel like a terrible fascist to say something like this, but - I wish some people were not allowed to reproduce.
I guess I wouldn't go so far as to want this enforced legally...(or would I?) but I often feel that my respect for individual reproductive rights doesn't stretch so far as to want tens of thousands of critically f*cked up people having damaged babies and then f*cking them up, too.
It's like locking vicious dogs into a filthy room, then letting them breed and savage their own offspring. Grotesque and tragic all around.

Peripheralvision

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @cde: Time outs are NOT mental abuse. Spending 5 minutes sitting in a corner thinking about whether pouring juice all over daddy's computer is a good idea is NOT going to be psychologically damaging to a child.

@SpicyTamale is like the smartest kid with Down Syndrome: My objection is to the suggestions that these kids (and they are clearly horrible little assholes with horrible asshole parents) need to be whipped with a belt, etc. While I do think these kids need to be physically restrained when they get physical, hitting them when they hit will make the dynamic between child and parent a purely physical one.

I'm sure spanking can be effective with some children, if done in the right way, I think these particular kids have deep-seated problems that spanking alone will not fix.

KidPresentable

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @lola82: If you really did work with SED boys what kind of restraint technique did your facility use TCI, PART, CPI? Where you a Milieu Worker, on the psych team or just a hands off volunteer? I'm only asking because when working with that clientèle restraints and physical intervention (not spanking) because a necessity. And Most of the milieu workers and social workers are of the same frame of mind I am. You can judge all you want but I'm good at what I do and still get calls from on going workers and therapist to work with certain kids when they get placed back at home or in new foster homes.

@Iheartme: How can a child that hasn't even reach the age of reason be reasoned with? Oxymorons abound when you're dealing with children.

Final

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @lola82:I know. The poor little munchkin still ended up going into a home though. Just too many issues. The book was called Damaged by Cathy Glass. It will make you cry.

Also, I'm not really sure where I stand on the spanking thing. My sister and I used to get spanked quite a bit. Mum used to use a belt on our hands if we were really naughty, but Dad would use his hand if we pissed him off (this could be extremely trivial stuff) I can remember having a bath with my sis (we were still very young) and making too much noise or something and getting smacked on the bottom by dad, then comparing the huge hand shaped welts on our butts. Even getting smacked round the head if we didn't answer a question properly when we were teenagers. I think the difference was Mum did it for discipline and with Dad we never knew what would set him off.

vegemitekid

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @lola82: It's not that they used 'privates,' it's their ideas of sex. To continue the comparison, my friend understood that rape = pain and blow jobs = pleasure. These kids understood that rape = shock the adults. The kids in the video have a superficial idea of sex that is consistant with ideas they'd pick up from too much chatrooms and Spike TV. They don't have a victim mentality, they have a junior frat boy mentality; they're clearly immitating what they think is grownup.

My friend didn't proposition his teacher to shock him, he did it because my friend liked older men and he liked giving blow jobs (he'd been abused since he was 6, btw). The video kids' intent was to drive the nanny away by making her angry.

I know none of this is conclusive but I just get 'feelings' about people, and it's like, 1000 little things that I can't itemize, down to how they stood and the clothes they wore and the inflection in their voice. I just have a feeling that the kids were showing off their tv/internet knowledge, not personal experience.

nardo218

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @I, SBJ, A Fucking Dyke: You're so great.

I have heard very similar stories from my boss. Seeing as how he and I giggle in is office about pooping and crushing on boys, I have no clue how he stifles his laughter when his daughter busts out with inappropriate shit at the dinner table.

Archetype

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @nardo218: I always trust the lady vibe too. (=

lola82

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @vegemitekid: Agh! Thank god her foster mom was paying attention. That woman's a freaking hero.

lola82

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @lola82: I'm saying that in today's world, kids can have that kind of sexual language in their vocabulary, gleaned from tv and the internet, and not have been abused. I don't believe those boys were abused.

(Tho I havent' seen the ep, and someone did say she got a 'vibe' from the father - I always trust women's 'vibes' because, after all, we're taught from toddlerhood to have them. And because it pisses men off that we have this intuition they don't have.)

nardo218

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @lola82: That's so true. I was reading a true story about a little girl in foster care that no one could cope with & the foster mother began to suspect sexual abuse. The little girl was extremely angry and violent, but also displaying sexual tendancies that she didn't seem to understand the meaning of. The telling thing was when the foster mother asked to take her picture & the little girl began taking off her clothes. Turns out her "parents" were using her to make kiddie porn.

vegemitekid

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @nardo218: Whoa. I'm not saying for sure the children were abused, just that it's a possibility. In my experience (which is not everyone's) the children's responses after the abuse varied a great deal.

Just sayin' it's not uncomin for children (especially the younger set) to still use "pee-pee" or "privates" to describe their genitals after the abuse.

Some of them could only say "down there."

Maybe it all depends on the child, the age, the perps behavior, the level of grooming, etc.

lola82

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Gin*: my mom would pinch the inside of my arm in public when was bad. I still shudder when she gives me the look.

SpicyTamale πβɸ

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Final: I have volunteered at a women's shelter, and I still think that spanking with a belt is abuse. A spanking with an open hand isn't necessarily abuse, depending on how often it's done and how hard. There are plenty of studies (more I'd say) that show that spanking children can make them more violent. Think about it. How can you teach a child to not be violent when you punish them with violence. It's sort of a mixed message.

Iheartme

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @sugarbear11: LMAO!!!

Gin*

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @nardo218: omg. That is horrible.

SpicyTamale πβɸ

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> This makes me glad my mom had the yell, belt and that look. I love you, mom. <3

Gin*

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @nardo218: yikes.

BeAgrestic

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Hissyfit: They're usually better at school, because of the structure. They're also probably popular among their peers for their "sophistication" because they swear and use sexual words. I'm sure they're the charismatic despots of the classroom.

nardo218

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @lola82: So, last time you went clubbing, you saw how many guys saying "I'm going to fuck you in your privates" to women they're interested in? When my bff was 12, and being raped nightly by his father, he said to his teacher, "I'd like to give you a blow job." There's a deep difference in understanding between those two statements.

nardo218

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @KidPresentable: you were abused. I was being disciplined.
Its all in the mindset of the parent.
my parents spanked me because I was bad and a spanking did the trick to tame my ass down.
your parents beat you till you had physical markings. From the statementyou wrote. Please correct me if I am wrong but that is what I get from your statement.
for the record my momma did all the spankings. My father, God rest his soul, spanked me once. And that was all I needed. Nothing horrific, just 3 whacks that did the trick.

SpicyTamale πβɸ

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Final: You should not be working with children. Especially not with abused children.

lola82

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @clevernamehere: Just because you didn't intend to fuck up your kid's head by leaving porn leaving around doesn't mean you didn't abuse them. Emotional and mental sexual abuse is always the perpetrator saying "I didn't mean it that way" and the victim too ashamed to admit it was "for real".

nardo218

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @nardo218: "I'll fuck you in your fucking privates?" hmm...that sounds like an adult mindset to me...

I worked with SED (severely emotionally disturbed) boys in a long-term treatment center. The boys ended up there after horrific, horrific abuse.

And guess what? The Super Nanny boys would've fit right in at the treatment center...

Children who've been sexually assualted/abused often act in manners contrary to what would be expected of an abuse victim, it's really very interesting, but also very sad.

Way more children are sexually abused than society acknowledges. If average citizens knew the actual number, they wouldn't believe it.

lola82

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> The kids obviously have psychological problems. My sister works at a children's home for kids with behavioral problems, and this is basically the exact kind of stuff they do. They have a room for meltdowns, and the kids destroy the rooms and engage in blood and feces smearing, which it looks like the little one was doing in this clip. At the home, though, they always make the kids clean up the mess. Most of them have been through foster care and abuse, but some of them have well-meaning parents that just don't know what to do with them. It is a sickness, just like diabetes or anything else, and sometimes a big part of it is nature. Those kids benefit the most from the really structured environment of the home, since all the kids have to do chores and adhere to a really strict schedule. I also have personal experience being an explosively angry kid (not nearly as bad as these ones, though), and knowing in retrospect that it was a sickness, and not that I was evil or my parents were incompetent. I was always so embarrassed when I lost control and other people saw it and blamed my parents. I wasn't a bad kid, or a mean kid, just a sick one.

archipelagic

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @richcreamerybutter: Thirteen for girls, seventeen for boys.

nardo218

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Gretchen: It sounded like unsupervised tv time to me. They're using shock language but don't seem to understand what it means (like the "I'll rape you" bits in Welcome to the Dollhouse). If they were using sexual language accurately with an adult mindset, that would be different. (For example, if they knew that rape was bad, then that's alarming; that they throw rape around like it's nothing, sounds like they heard it on tv and know they'll get in trouble if they say it.)

nardo218

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> Oh wait I found something the parents might try:


+ Watch video



sugarbear11

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> These 'angels' remind me of my nephew 4 yrs old and already in trouble for beating another little boy up. God bless barren spinsterhood so much free time to do what I want.

sugarbear11

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @clevernamehere: Go volunteer at a shelter, group home, RTC, RTTC, Counseling Center or Rehab Center and see some real abuse and get back to me on that. See kids with cigarette burns in their scalp, scald burns around their ankles or listen to a girl cry all night because her step father, then her foster father she was placed with to get away from the original sexual abuse perps on her. You can play your Holier then Thou card all you want but spanking is not abuse.

Most kids don't need physical punishment. The only time my dad ever had to spank me was after the 3rd time he causght me crossing the street without looking both ways. He could talk till he was blue in face but after that spanking I stopped running out in the street. A spanking was better then the chance of being hit by a car. ShiningStar and a bunch of other people in the tread said they were physically punished but it was few and far between. That's how it has to be for it to be effective.

I never said you have to spank to be a successful parent but if you say you can NEVER spank, then you're taking away a parenting tool and making it harder for someone to be a successful parent. It always depends on what the kid responds to.

There are plenty of studies that show how teaching kids what hurting someone feels like makes them less likely to bully and hurt other children. I'm a professional I read studies on both sides.

Final

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @beatrice3000: Not the macho part. The women do it too. It's a cultured of instilled respect. Do What I Say or you get hit. If you don't do what your parent's said, its lack of respect and and it's not looked upon lightly. Especially in front of company. They might (that's a big might) not hit you in front of company, but the beatings 3x as worse when company left or you got home.

cde

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Final: I definitely don't think you are a monster, but your first post made it seem like you were advocating corporal punishment for ALL kids. I'm going to have to agree to disagree on the belt thing. I once witnessed 2 Autistic 5 year olds being slammed against a wall and thrown on the floor for not standing in a straight line.

It doesn't take a degree in Special Education to know that the teacher's reaction was completely uncalled for.

BeAgrestic

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Sev: I'm like that with two of my little siblings. My dad and stepmom are a bit too lenient on them (stepmom babies them, dad doesn't do it to avoid stepmom's ire) but I can't hit them (one's too small, and they ain't my kids :/) but when I tell them to do something or else I turn off the tv, the minute they are back at it, I turn off the tv, Mostly, its to get them to sit back away from the TV in the first place. After the fifth or sixth time, the baby of the familly finally got it and sat back and stayed there.

cde

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> Kids like this make me so angry. I know it's not their fault, however. If they had parents worth a shit they wouldn't act this way.
My mom was the strickest parent I've ever met and whenever I complained about kids like this she would tell me that they acted like that because their parents didn't enforce boundaries. Even if I never have kids, she gave me two good pieces of advice for childrearing: 1) set ground rules and stick to them. 2)follow through. If you say you'll do something, do it. (Once my mom told my sister and I to pick up our toys by 3pm or she would come down with a trash bag and throw them all away. 3pm came, the toys were still on the floor, and she came downstairs with a Glad bag. Though she told me when I was older that she didn't throw them away, she gave them to the Good Will instead.)


Sev

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @KidPresentable: And time outs are abuse too. Culturally sanctioned, mental abuse. Just cause your parents abused you (hitting you for being embarrassed) doesn't mean that hitting a kid that deserves it is abuse.

cde

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @kansasgirl:

Chris Rock: You ain't saving no college money,you saving bail money!

@SpicyTamale is like the smartest kid with Down Syndrome: "a lot of my Hispanic friends can attest to it."

My dad is Italian and spanked me once. Would you say it's a macho Italian/Latin culture that allows being spanked as a cultural acceptance?

beatrice3000

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> These parents obviously have a problem and it's the 'ask' syndrome. You do not ask, argue or negotiate with a six and seven year old. You tell them, as their parent, what they are going to do and if they don't, they receive consequences whether it's time away from something they like doing or a soft swat on the bottom. It's probably not popular, but I don't see anything wrong with an occasional spanking. I'm not talking a 'beating,' by any means, but spanking isn't as bad as people make it out to be. I was rarely spanked; I can think of maybe 5 or less times I was spanked in my entire childhood, and I can't explain why it worked, but it did. Children need boundaries and authority figures and these parents are offering neither.

shiningstar

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Final: Even with the bad angle, you have to hit a kid pretty hard to throw a hip out of joint. That to me is abuse, open handed or with a belt.

The emo kid didn't pop out of the womb the way he is, neither did the obscene monsters. There are some kids with biological issues that make them act out, but more often it is the parenting they've gotten.

Most kids who are physically punished turn out just fine, but it has been shown to increase bullying, lying and hitting other kids. There are other ways to successfully parent.

Suggesting you hit a kid with a belt instead of your hand when you are hitting them hard enough to disjoint their hips is like switching from lights to ultra lights. It might be better than what you were doing before, but it still isn't good.

clevernamehere

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> These parents, Lucy and Anti-Dad have just completely missed the boat from the get go and are now on national TV showing what complete failures they are as parents and what monster assholes their children are as a result.

I find often too many parents equate discipline with punishment and that makes them uncomfortable. In reality discipline is teaching your child right from wrong. Discipline is ultimately an exercise in self-control. It will help them navigate the world, give them a sense of correction for oneself for the sake of improvement. Discipline in parenting should come from a place of love and does not need to include beating your child as an everyday practice. Boundaries should be clear and your expectations of acceptable behavior should be clear as well. Consequences and repercussions need to be in place and followed through with.

Number one rule: RESPECT. Respect for oneself. Respect for other people, their physical being and space, their feelings, their property. Respect, plain and simple.

And there's always the Golden Rule as well.

The basic principles of parenting are not that difficult however, it is the hardest job you will ever have if you choose to pursue it.

Also, bless you and thank you to all the teachers who are with other peoples children all day, everyday.

PICKLES

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> My mom had a switch that she kept within reach. She didn't use it too often but the threat of it was enough to keep me in check. She'd swat my open palms with it whenever she felt the need. Then we'd give each other the silent treatment for a day or so before making up. I think I was made better for it.

The thing about corporal punishment is that it is too often administered in anger. A vengeful, pissed-off parent runs a serious risk of losing control and injuring a child.

Iconocleft

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @SpicyTamale is like the smartest kid with Down Syndrome:
I was spanked with a belt, a switch from a tree, a hand, a shoe you name it.
better believe I turned out better than most.

That's a dangerous statement to make. I consider spanking to be done with nothing but an open palm on buttocks. Using a belt and other implements--I'd consider that abuse. For the record, I was "disciplined" as early as I can remember--and this involved bamboo switches and wooden paddles. I had bruises on my lower back, legs and buttocks regularly, so much so that I'd refuse to change into my gym shorts for P.E. class. Which I would then get into trouble for, so my parents would hit me more. My usual infractions, though, were speaking out of turn.

It took me years to realize that it was abuse. You know what, just because it's culturally sanctioned, doesn't mean it's not abuse. FGM, foot binding, public stoning--that's all culturally sanctioned as well, but it doesn't make it right.

Of course, these kids (and many others) need discipline--as in, moral guidance, enforced boundaries and their parents need to set examples of acceptable behavior. These parents need to teach their kids that it's NOT OK to get physical. The kids won't learn this by being whipped.

KidPresentable

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Final: This is bullshit. Spanking has been proven to lead to more aggressive behavior in children, not less. Physical discipline is the last resort of a parent or authority figure seriously lacking in creative problem solving skills.

phantomSquid

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Meg: it doens't take much, just a bad angle and the kid wiggling the wrong way. We'd have kids placed on protective holds and have a social worker investigate the situation and they'd be placed back in the home but the parent would be told not to use an open hand but a belt BY A SOCIAL WORKER...

And Oh God, I just saw this one... [jezebel.com]
See that's a kid that probably never needed a spanking in his life. You could probably just put some bass in your voice to correct prancer =) If people read my whole original comment They'd see the difference between the kids in this thread and the teenager in that one.

Final

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> I love it when the mom says, "I'm sorry, he doesn't seem to respect women." Yeah, that's the problem. He shows SO much respect for men.

Instead of a college fund, these parents should start a defense attorney fund. Or maybe they could do the right thing and give the kids up for adoption so someone who wants to actually be a parent can raise them.

kansasgirl

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> We had 2 paddles: The 1 heart paddle (when you were averagely bad) and the 2 heart paddle (when you were REALLY bad). The hearts were cut out to give a little extra zing. You think paddling would make us learn, but let's be honest... we were 4 smartass kids w/in 7 years of each other. There's always new ways to get into trouble...

Le Kangourou de Kataroo

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Final: Jesus Christ! How hard are people spanking that they are knocking hips out of joint and causing lower back pain? Whippings and welts are not spanking.

@FatBottomedGirl: Haha. That's cute...at least it will be with enough time.

I'm sure editing plays a big role in these types of shows, since they're piecing together the worst bits. But I hate to think of them trying to induce the behavior. Or that Jo is co-signing that manipulation. Especially when the kids are usually so young. And most of the families appear to be okay financially, so if they were really concerned, they could find a local professional. I hope this particular family seems worse than they actually are, but I still can't get over that threat coming out of that little boy's mouth, and the mom having zero reaction.

Is your cousin-in-law going to be one of the "extreme" families on Wife Swap? Can you say what kind? Wife Swap is fun because it's so campy.

Meg

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @clevernamehere:
@spryte:
@BeAgrestic:
A parent is more likely to knock a hip out of joint or cause their child lower back problems by spanking with an open hand compared to a belt. A smaller surface area and more give of the belt means the child won't have serious injury by it and no welts aren't serious injuries I worked with truly abused kids. You can be as appalled as you want but I stand by my statements for more then one reason. I helped the kids of real abuse not, "OMG did you see that woman swat her child" in the store kind.

Just because you don't agree with me doesn't make me a monster, sick or abusive. The kids I worked with where in Residential Therapeutic Treatment Centers and the kids in the video would have been considered normal compared to the ones I worked with. We didn't spank at the institution I worked at but we did have to do physical restraints on more aggressive kids.

Some children need a firmer hand then others: see above video.

Final

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> Me thinks there has been a moritorium on the word "NO" in this household. This is just plain old overindulgence and then the kids get bigger and it's not cute anymore, and one day it turns into "oh sh*t our kids are monsters". I'm so ashamed that I laughed out loud when the kid wiped the booger on the table...

denises_24

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @Improvident_Lackwit: I hate those kinds of wimp parents ... and they're everywhere.

The other day I watched some little monster terrorize her mother with all sorts of fake crying, loud tantrum-throwing on a crowded streetcar and the mother either totally ignored her or pleaded timidly for her to stop.

Hey ... LADY!! Grab the kid by the arm like you mean business, pull her out of the streetcar and tell her that until she smartens up, you're going to stand there in the cold. And when she smartens up, you'll get back on the streetcar and get to wherever the hell she wants to go.

I was embarrassed for her and kept giving the kid the stink eye. Every time I caught the kid's eye, she stopped her bullshit for a moment.

Kids WANT someone to set them straight. They KNOW when they are being assholes. They are trying to see how far they can push it, and when they know they can push it as far as they want, the parent has lost the battle forever.

It's not rocket science. Show them who's boss, they will smarten the fuck up.

Trixie from Toronto

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> Two words were running (screaming!) through my head while watching that- Conduct Disorder. Statistical outcomes for adults on that? One word- scary!

CajunKate

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> did anyone else feel the pedo/serial killer/rapist vibe from the father? i watched this last nite and his face really disturbed me.

Smashley_

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @spryte: I was spanked with a belt, a switch from a tree, a hand, a shoe you name it.
better believe I turned out better than most.
I dont call it abuse. I call it being a parent and disciplining your child.
maybe its a ethnicity thing. A lot of my Hispanic friends could attest to it.

SpicyTamale πβɸ

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> I have no doubt that the parents are useless morons; however, I have a doubt at the severity of the children's behavior. I am sure the children have been exposed to inappropriate behavior, but they may have said something once and the "director" coaxes it out of them. My friend works for a "reality" show that never aired due to real controversy and he says that directors know how to get the worst out of children because that is what people want to see.

Of course, why these parents were not humiliated beyond belief to expose their shitty parenting to network TV I will never understand.
I wanted to crawl into a hole and die when daughter told everyone at Kroger that " Mommy loves wine!! She drinks A LOT"

FatBottomedGirl

]]> <![CDATA[<i>Supernanny</i>: Meet The Two Most Effective Forms Of Birth Control]]> @caffeinequeen: Everyone I know wants to