<![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage - Jezebel Comments]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage - Jezebel Comments]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> It's a matter of someone imposing something upon you against your will. There are PLENTY of things that are totally legal when initiated on your own accord, that are highly illegal/felonious/sick and twisted if perpetrated upon you by someone else against your will or without your knowledge.

i.e. I choose to vacation in Mexico. I choose not to be shoved in a trunk and taken to Mexico. Either way, I am going to Mexico, but under extremely different circumstances.

Oh, and saying that abortion is acceptable and killing a fetus against the mother's will isn't, is sort of how pro-lifers say abortion is murder, and then drop a bomb on innocent bystanders (children included) in third world countries to "get even". Except the former argument makes good sense, and the latter is a hypocritical, ignorant point of view.

I cannot stand pro-lifers shit logic and endless loophole-searching, will a pro-lifer for once just say the truth "We don't want dead -American- babies.

rightfootleft

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @jupiterrising: Unfair but true, biology takes that choice away for men after conception. Vasectomy is always a safe option, but oddly, most men prefer to take the risk of an unwanted child. Some mistakes can't be undone, despite what today's "you are special" culture would have us believe.

Beki

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Claiming that men getting charged for forced abortions is unfair if women can abort at will is like complaining that you get charged for cutting off someone's leg, when doctors do it all the time. :P

Phalene

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> 'abortificient'... if that was intentional it was genius

sparrowpants

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @charlotte corday: Beijing - that's why I'm always really late to respond or really early :)

Agrado

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> I just watched the south park episode where Kenny tries this on his mom

ilovejohnnythunders

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @hortense: Agreed.

aquadisiacinlove

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @AmyFrances: It's not that I think fetuses have rights, it's just my way of justifying being pro-choice to my very very pro-life friends. I try to make my point with logic rather than quoting what some supposed higher being said.

pepperann

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> At the time that anti-abortionist were lobbying for the Unborn Victims of Violence Act (a federal law that would treat a fetus as a person for the purpose of criminal prosecution), feminists campaigned to against it and made a very sensible recommendation: harsher sentencing penalties for assaults against pregnant women. This allows us to remember that this is an assault on a woman (not a fetus), and also recognizes the particular vulnerability of pregnant women to violence. As for this creep, he poisoned his girlfriend and should be charged as such, and treated harshly.

andj

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Yes. This was a big deal when Scott Peterson was tried for two murders; that of his wife Lacey, and of his unborn child. I can't remember if that was successful (the part about killing the fetus) but it prompted the passing of Laci and Connor's law. [news.findlaw.com]

"`(C) If the person engaging in the conduct thereby intentionally kills or attempts to kill the unborn child, that person shall instead of being punished under subparagraph (A), be punished as provided under sections 1111, 1112, and 1113 of this title for intentionally killing or attempting to kill a human being."

If we allow that we can "murder" a fetus as a human being, I don't see how it wouldn't have some sort of impact for abortion law. I guess we could say that if the mother chooses to do so with the help of a doctor it would be an exception.

Sorry if someone already posted this, I am at work

goldengirl11

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Seems pretty simple to me: you prosecute the men for aggravated assault against the woman, rather than for an attack on the unborn. Then it works whether it was punching, kicking or slipping the drug into her breakfast.

And the anti-choice zealots can go impregnate themselves.

ytrozs

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> The last time I checked, choice was about, um, CHOICE. And a woman's right to do with her body what wants. So if I don't want it, it's a parasite and I have the right to get it removed. If I do want it, and someone else tricks me into taking medication that causes me to have a miscarriage, I have the right to take a tazer to their balls.

vonnegurl

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> whoa whoa whoa eeeeeaaaaasssssyyyyy... i'm not saying that what he did was ok by ANY means, i think it's absolutely reprehensible. my point was that i didn't know if it could or would be considered poisoning. i have no idea how the dosage of RU-486 works. whether it's dosed for your size and weight or if it's like the birth control pill and the same amount is given to everyone. my question was simply whether or not a court would see it as "poisoning", not my stance or viewpoint on the matter.

meanjeanne

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> As all of the comments I have read have said, I'm frankly appalled at the actions of this man towards someone he's been involved with for 8 years. Furthermore, I'm glad that it's been classified as assault against the woman because trying to manipulate it into an abortion issue is just asking for trouble and taking away attention from the fact that the woman was the first and foremost victim of her boyfriend's actions.

The one new (or new to me, I don't know) issue I have is, what does a man do if he's not prepared financially or emotionally or whatever to be a father? Obviously assault is not the answer, but it seems that there is little recourse for them. I'm speaking as a young woman, who's had a male friend put into the situation of sudden, unwanted/unexpected pregnancy with a woman who wishes to carry the baby to term. He's an undergrad and is suddenly looking at a pretty big financial responsibility if nothing more and getting an abortion is not exactly something he can force her to do. What's the decent guy's way to handle a drunken night and, reportedly, a condom that slipped?

jupiterrising

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @Leiakat: It's absolutely the same as beating a woman into a miscarriage.

mymanicpixiedreamcatsnores

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Here in Texas, you can already be charged for murder for just killing a fetus (as long as you're not the mother or a doctor acting on her wishes). In fact, you can get the death penalty.

They changed the law so that an unborn child is included in the definition of "person", and since killing any "person" under the age of six is grounds for the death penalty.

Recently there was a case where a young girl begged her boyfriend to step on her stomach and kill their growing baby. The boyfriend finally agreed, and he got arrested for it. The girlfriend testified in court that she asked him repeatedly to kill the fetus, but the prosecutors still went for the death penalty. The jury didn't go for it, but this 18-year-old guy now has to spend Life. In. Prison. I kid you not.

MichelinG

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> UM. Abortion is a medical procedure. Drugging/kicking is an attack ON HER BODY. Then again, you're not going to talk sense into people who think that Plan B is an abortifascient.

Gingerlime

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @the.bleach:@arodriguez.romero: A couple people have mentioned it briefly, but domestic violence does tend to spike during pregnancies. A number of OB/GYNs I know say that this is a huge problem in their practices; anecdotally it is thought that men feel out of control when their partners are pregnant and try to regain their sense of control through abuse.

I've been digging around on the CDC website trying to find research to back up the anecdotes. I did find this fact sheet from the National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, but I imagine there's a lot more info to be found:
[www.ncadv.org]

stasis

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @meanjeanne: His intentions were to have her ingest the substance without her knowledge. I find it hard to believe that he was concerned about giving her the correct dosage (which she would have sought from a doctor had she intended to make the decision to abort her child herself). So he did essentially poison the woman.

violetbeauregarde

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @the.bleach: It's normally the boyfriend/husband. Men who are terrified of being a parent/don't want to give up their amazing lifestyle. Or something.

inkytwist

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @meanjeanne: Sometimes the only difference between a poison and useful medical drug is the way or the amount that is administered. Somehow i doubt that he took the time to make sure he dosed her correctly or to make sure that there wouldn't be some sort of reaction between the RU486 and the yogurt.

whats_in_a_name

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @meanjeanne:

A poison is "A substance that causes injury, illness, or death, especially by chemical means." Almost any drug you take for ailments can be a poison, especially if it's administered without your consent, without a doctor's care, and without determining the necessary dosage and means of administration. So, yeah, he poisoned her. He gave her a substance that could cause injury or illness, and did cause injury and illness.

Katxyz

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @meanjeanne: :rolls eyes:

It's not considered "poison;" no. But he slipped her a very powerful substance without her knowledge!! So, to say that he poisoned her is not too far off. He didn't slip her Coca-Cola.

SarahMC

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @Meanmllemustard: That certainly makes sense, and I completely agree. However like snarkhunting points out, pregnancy is a fairly unique situation. If my girlfriend and I chose to have a child and someone somehow killed the fetus without doing serious physical harm to the mother I would be extremely upset if they were only charged with assault. Is there something more substantial to this feeling? Is there something uniquely horrible about that kind of assault? And if so, does that get in the way of pro-choice legislation?

reader123

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @violetbeauregarde: i don't think you can say he tried to poison her if it's not considered poison when a women can intentionally and legally take the same pills to abort her fetus. you wouldn't say that she poisoned herself, right?

meanjeanne

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @reader123: He was charged for assault on the mother. And there are no other laws like that b/c pregnancy is a unique circumstance.

snarkhunting

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @reader123: If you don't get caught up in whether it's "rights" of the fetus, the question is simpler. There are all sorts of actions that someone can choose to do that another person could be prosecuted for if they do it to the other person without their will. Just staying within a "medical procedure" comparison, patients have the right to refuse medical procedures, even lifesaving surgeries and whatnot. And if you perform a surgery on someone without their consent, it's all sorts of crimes (battery, probably even assault). So there's really no conceptual disconnect until you start insisting that prosecution is made "on behalf of" a fetus rather than the woman asserting her rights over her own body.

Meanmllemustard

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @pigeoninpink: Agreed... I think it becomes a gray area because he used abortion-inducing drugs. Had he used rat poison or the like, he would be charged as he was, no question. Though, they probably would have charged him with attemped murder for the female, not the fetus.

Beanfish

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @fizzyg: Brills!

kellsbells

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> It's been pointed out a couple of times, but I want to get back to the original question that some of the comments miss. I'm a pro-choice guy, but some of the rhetoric of the pro-choice movement makes me uneasy. "My body my choice" is all well and good, but it is not a rigorous legal treatise. Can you prosecute on behalf of a fetus and still advocate for the legality of abortion? How can a fetus be at once part of a body and also wholly a body? Is this legal distinction made solely based on the intentions of the mother? What other law operates in that way?

reader123

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Opps, I wrote way instead of why.

eraserheadpixies (now representing norwegian xanax and JESUS!1!@#!)

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> The commenters on the other site are retarded, but this feeds into a strong theme in the anti-choice movement--shifting the focus from "don't kill the baby" to "abortion hurts women." All the stuff in South Dakota was about how abortion will make you depressed and suicidal and use drugs and ruin your life, and a big part of it is that women are coerced into abortions by men--it's this very paternalistic, fucked up, "women are naturally mothers so the fact that they're choosing not to be and having abortions means some evil abortion-loving people are forcing them to have abortions" message. It's where a lot of the informed consent statutes come from--if only you had the REAL information and had to go home and THINK REAL HARD, you wouldn't choose this. So stories like this absolutely play into this "we must save women from their own stupid choices and the evil people around them" message that all the anti-choice groups are putting forward.

Meanmllemustard

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @hushnowcharlotte: How else will you know whom she belongs to? It'll make everyone happier in the end, trust me.

LaComtesse

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> What I don't get is, why couldn't the guy just break-up with her? I mean thats horrible, too, but I think his girlfriend would rather that then dying, or having her fetus die.(I'm pro-choice, but that includes all choices surrounding pregnancy.) Also, if he wouldn't want to do that because he *loves* her or something, well wouldn't love be respecting her choices? Argh, it just doesn't seem to matter, its pretty hard to change peoples minds and make anti-choicers realize they're wrong. I hope the girlfriend gets better.

Also, I don't even understand why some people would twist this into some "pro-life" thing. Just because some women want to get pregnant, doesn't mean we all do. Anyway, I know people have said it before, but most "pro-lifers" are pro-birth, which is way most of them would never adopt a child, even though they're always going on about how a women could just put her baby up for adoption.
Sorry, I just really hate anyone who wants to take away womens rights, whatever they are.

eraserheadpixies (now representing norwegian xanax and JESUS!1!@#!)

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @hushnowcharlotte: HA! Best analogy ever.

snarkhunting

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @DramaClub: I agree. But considering the death of nuance in modern discourse, I doubt most people would be willing to see the difference.

I also don't see why it's a bad thing that the deliberate killing of a fully-viable fetus (I'm thinking 7mos+ here) by an outside party (not the mother) should be considered murder. I mean, I see why it's a bad thing due to the death of nuance that I mentioned above, but in an ideal world, it would be a law I'd be 100% behind.

snarkhunting

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> My understanding is this: Bush and cohorts used the Laci Peterson case to rename a stale bill called the Unborn Victims of Violence Act (UVVA). The soundbyte to the law was that it would make killing a pregnant woman double-murder. In fact, most states--I think 31 or 32--already covered this on a state level, but this law made it federal--where it would need to be to be used to challenge Roe V Wade. Also the language used is "child in utero," different from embryo, and a readymade semantic argument, yes? So the grossness of the Peterman case was exploited to slide through a bill that was completely unnecessary and basically irrelevant to the case (California already had the double-murder law, covering Laci and 'Conner'). But they stapled the bill to the poor dead woman to get it through on empathy/sympathy vote. Of course the fact that this administration gives a rat's ass about pregnant woman is absurd, just like Iraq wasn't about how the Taliban were treating poor brown women. Same administration passed a law to provide health insurance for poor children, including fetuses. But not pregnant women. So if a pregnant woman fell down the stairs and broke her arms and legs, only the fetus-relevant parts would be covered. Anyway this is my recollection of how that all went down, correct me if I'm wrong I haven't seethed about it in a while. Cheers my fellow vessels!

DLUSA

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Maybe we need a new law to avoid the issue. Something like hate crime laws, where you get extra penalty if your intent was based on race/gender/etc. If you /intended/ to abort your girlfriend's fetus without her permission, then you get a sentence for the assault equal to that for a murder. What would we call it, uterine vandalism?

Beki

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @[Expletive Deleted]: Hollis v. Commonwealth, 652 S.W.2d 61 (Ky. 1983).

lola82

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @[Expletive Deleted]: Case is in my locker with - I'll post it in about 10 minutes when class lets outs. I'll leave it as a message for you too. Be prepared, man. It's naaAAasty.

lola82

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @DramaClub: The line is clear to a lot of people. Unfortunately, it's not clear to the law.

crunkjuice

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @PhillyLass: please, please go post that on the comments thread quoted in the article.

lawlessly

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @ChezLait: Or maybe the right to bear arms to keep away boyfriends like THIS.

rhinestonedarling

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @charlotte corday: but I don't understand. How come a woman can legally get a tattoo, but all of a sudden if I want to brand her with a cattle iron, I'm some kind of criminal?

hushnowcharlotte

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @fizzyg: I am so using that example sometime. High five.

lawlessly

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @AmyFrances: I think the only foetal rights anti-choicers want is the right to bear arms...for God's army.

ChezLait

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> New rule for the assholes who poison their girlfriends: when YOU get pregnant, you take all the RU486 your little, whithered, black heart desires. Til then, keep in mind that my uterus isn't your personal property and therefore no place for your machinations.

LaComtesse

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @the.bleach: Bwah! Oh, you are so, so right. Thank you. I'm going to use that comment on any guy who ever bitches about women's rights again.

AnnieGetYourFun

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @DramaClub: Exactly. She chose to carry the child. She didnt' choose an abortion. Once that has been established, any motherfucker that comes around killing pregnant women and/or their children should be prosecuted for two murders or assaults, not one. And for people who bitch or complain that, well, if she has the right to have an abortion then I have the right to kill her fetus after she chooses to have it, well, they're awful human beings who should have been aborted in the first place.

meaghan2k

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> does the prosecution of men who attempt to induce miscarriage in women help the cause of anti-choice activists? I'd say no, because just as a person would be prosecuted for giving any drug - especially a lethal drug - to another human being without their knowledge, this really has more to do with the person being drugged, not the fetus. Of course, that won't stop the anti-choice fanatics from twisting the facts to capitalize on this emotional case.

talk2tehhand

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @lola82: Dear God. What's the cite? I need to read that one.

[Expletive Deleted]

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> I have a theory about comments that use quotation marks in place of an apostrophe - they should be paid no heed.

AnnieGetYourFun

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> I don't see a conflict with laws that make killing a fetus a crime. The woman has the ability to choose - once she chooses to carry the pregnancy to term, her abortion rights have been exercised and any asshole who tries to end her pregnancy against her will has committed a crime against her AND her child.

Maybe I'm being naive, but the line is very clear to me. I've had both an abortion and a child so I understand the difference very clearly. A wanted pregnancy is perceived by the mother to be a baby from the second the two lines show up on the pee stick and I would be enraged if the courts did not see killing the baby as a crime.

DramaClub

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> FUCK YOU anti-choicers! FUCK. YOU. I hate you, you misogynist, brain-dead fuckers.

Phew!

Note that none of them are the least bit upset when MEN POISON THEIR BABY-MAMAS! All they can think about is, "But women are allowed to kill their fetuses! Why can't men!?"

SarahMC

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Duh, it's her body and that is why it's her choice whether to keep the fetus. You can cut off your own hand if you want to, but I can't decide to do it to you or it's assault. I wouldn't call it murder, because if you do then get into weird "life" terms and issues, but it's most definitely assault and violation of a person's most basic right, personal bodily autonomy. And put in those terms, I don't think these morons' anti-choice arguments hold any water.

teapartys_over

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @lola82: If there was ever a person who deserved to spend the rest of eternity burning in hell it would be that guy.

whats_in_a_name

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> I didn't get a chance to read all of the comments but that's just awful. If he didn't want to deal with the baby, couldn't he have you just left her? Suppose she didn't realize what was going on - couldn't she have died? It's her body. What the fuck. Men are such pieces of shit.

mepc

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @AliGOJ: Actually in some states, it's not a crime to murder a fetus that's in utero. I bet J.D. Regent knows way more about this.

I read a really disgusting case in my Crim Law class, and this dude was only found guilty of assault (against the woman) after he attacked his 7 mos. pregnant wife, and stuck his hand inside her and literally KILLED the fetus.

I'm totally pro-choice, but in a case like that...my gut felt like he should be prosecuted for murder.

My gut is what will make me a horrible lawyer.

lola82

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @Agrado: seems obvious, doesn't it? where are you?

Charlotte Corday

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> I haven't had enough wine yet to not feel stabby (it's 11pm where I am, not 10am...i'm not a total wino) But I can find many things wrong with the statement that a man forcing an abortion on a woman is the same as a woman choosing to get one herself. Unless of course, you're in Huckabee-land or Colorado where people want a fetus to equal a human being. But in the real world, assaulting a woman and thereby inducing abortion is totally illegal. Hell, she doesn't even have to be pregnant and you could probably still argue your way into a battery charge. All you need for a battery charge is a purposeful 'touching' that intends to harm someone. Purposefully giving someone drugs that causes them painful cramps and bleeding can definitely be battery since the guy did it with the purpose of causing an abortion.
And, as someone mentioned above, it's about fucking autonomy. The whole "choice' in pro-choice is about the ability to make your own decisions, not having someone else force their's on you. I know that a lot (if not all?) of pro-choice organizations fight vehemently against forced abortions and sterilizations. Reproductive freedom means being able to decide when to have kids just as much as it means being able to decide not to have them.

Agrado

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @meaghan2k: I knew that quote would come in handy. Thank you, Chris Crutcher.

I agree with you. They aren't pro-life. They're pro-birth.

Lady Skittlehattington

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> do not let freaky anti-choicers drag the pregnancy, fetus, abortion into this!
while those issues provide context/motivation, the crime was assault on his girlfriend.
end of story.
just put it down and walk away, motherfuckers.

ellietown

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @msAnthrope: Yes, it is true that women do sometimes lie to men, telling them that they are on the pill, when they are not. This is appalling and heinous, always. But two questions:

1. Let's say that she did lie to him and got pregnant on accidentally-on-purpose. Does that justify the fact that he assaulted/poisoned her?

2. If a man wants to be sure that he doesn't father children, couldn't he just wear a condom every time? Why do we blame the woman for "manipulating" him when he's the one who made the decision to ejaculate inside of her? No, condoms don't always work... but they work a fuckload of a lot better when you actually WEAR them, you know? Is there a reason why men who don't want children can't take responsibility for their own birth control?

route52

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> It's legal to have an abortion but not legal to kill someone's unborn baby. Kind of like it's legal to have sex but not to rape someone. Unless there's gray abortion...

AliGOJ

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> WOW. I dont even know where to being. That is some sick shit. To poison the person you've been with for 8 years (we're not talking an insignificant amount of time), in order to abort the child you created, there has to be something wrong with you. It's a very terrifying world we live in.

Sabrina Anna

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @RainbowBrite: I happily accept my Feminazi status, I don't care. I wish people would just leave us the fuck alone sometimes.

meaghan2k

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @RainbowBrite: I call them anti-choicers too. They call me pro-abortion and mischaracterize my position, so I'll do just the same to them, though I don't think I'm mischaracterizing them. If they were pro life they'd be anti death penalty, and lets examine the Republican party's platform, huh?

PinkSoxHat

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @zivah: This is what I was trying to say. The issue is trying the men for murder of the fetus and making that the primary charge, as opposed to the assault/injury of the woman. Thank you, more cogent one.

LookyLoo

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Legalized abortion stems from the right to privacy. A woman's decision, along with her doctor, to have an abortion, was declared by Roe v. Wade to be "private."

Forcing an abortion on a woman has nothing to do with privacy; it's just assault. A woman choosing an abortion is exercising informed consent, which is legal and private.

It's true that the laws governing abortion are stacked in a woman's favor. But since biologically, it's a woman's burden, legally, it's a woman's choice.

Allibird

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @zivah:

Nice job! No one has said it better or more succinctly.

rachystyle

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @meaghan2k: Yeah, I know it makes me sound kind of Feminazi sometimes, but I always call them anti-choice. You're either for choice, or against it. Nobody is against "life".

And I think there should be a separate crime for harming/killing a pregnant woman. I think that recognizes the heinousness of violence against pregnant women while focusing on the victim who is actually alive and avoiding giving a fetus rights. What do others think about this?

RainbowBrite

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Whoa.

"I find it interesting that he gets sentenced to 18 months in prison for trying to get rid of the fetus and she can legally get rid of the fetus by having an abortion."

Really? The difference seems simple to me. And it can be explained entirely without regard to the rights of the fetus:

On one hand, it's her body, and she willingly assumes the risk of the abortion.

On the other hand, it's her body, and by inducing an abortion he is attacking her and risking her health.

Let's not make this any more complicated than it should be, eh?

zivah

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @LookyLoo: No, it does makes sense, and I think you are spot on.

cate3710

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Seems to me that this type of poisoning is the logical extreme of putting chicken broth in a vegan's meal without asking.

That's wrong. This is criminal.

bigleggedwoman

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> "Does the prosecution of men who attempt to induce miscarriage in women help the cause of anti-choice activists?"

Yes, if we prosecute them for murder. If we prosecute them for assault on the woman, it does nothing but good.

zivah

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @tellmeagain: I think that's it, exactly. If we're talking about assault, well, obviously both these women were assaulted. And obviously these were involuntary abortions, also assault, also wrong. But if he's tried for murder, that really clearly implies that the fetus was a person aside from the mother and that opens boxes of worms I think are dangerous. There's no question of mother's choice or autonomy there, in fact there's no question of the mother at all, really. (I'm assuming he was also tried for assault on the mother, but that would be a separate charge.)

Oh gawd, I'm reading this over and I apologize that it makes no sense, it's 7 am here and I'm only halfway through my morning crac. . .coffee.

LookyLoo

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @pigeoninpink: Oooh, I'd stay far away from saying a fetus has rights...

crunkjuice

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @meaghan2k: Doesn't it just crack you about when "pro-lifers" shoot abortion doctors or bomb clinics? And by crack you up I mean want to cry?

PinkSoxHat

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Commentor 2 is clearly flummoxed to find he lives in a total matriarchal tyranny, where God gave women the right to control procreation, and he and his little menfolk are simply allowed to create laws trying to control us and make 23 extra cents per hour than we do.

the.bleach

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @pigeoninpink: Excellent point. It is a drug that she does not want in her body. It shouldn't matter what kind of drug it was.

I want to get MINE tattoo'd on my vagina.

BlondeGrlz is having a BlondeBoyz!

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @katekate:

It kind of goes along with the "when does the fetus feel pain" discussion we had a couple weeks ago. Slippery Slope, the whole mess.

rachystyle

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @Lady Skittlehattington: That quote is the reason why I refuse to call anti-abortion fuckfaces "pro-life." They don't give a flying fuck about the kid after it's born, so they're just pro-birth.

How about this? For every one who claims to be pro-life, they should be FORCED to adopt a child. Every time they protest or open their damn dumb mouths about the topic, they should just be given a child to care for. How's that for pro-life, jerkoffs?

meaghan2k

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @misssgolightly: Yeah, and notice no one is saying, about the guys who force their partners' miscarriages, "Well if you don't want to be a father, don't have sex!"

RainbowBrite

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @katekate: I think it probably ahs something to do with teh "viability" of the fetus. Like, whether the fetus would have been able to survive outside teh womb. Still dangerous, though, I agree. It's hard though because more severe laws that punish people who harm pregnant women = good, but laws that cause a slippery slope re choice = bad.

crunkjuice

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> And here I feel guilty for just FANTASIZING about sterilizing the people of my choice.

The Beautiful Kind

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Oh yes, and let's not forget that this woman no doubt seduced this guy by using her evil womanly wiles and refused to allow him to wear a condom, trapping the man, leaving him with no other choice than to poison her.

Lizawithazee

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @misssgolightly: I totally missed the eight years part the first time around. That makes this even more chilling, if that's possible.

Melistic

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> As far as I understand, it's not a crime committed against the fetus. It's a crime committed against the mother. So nice try there, commentor.

crunkjuice

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> i don't consider the fetus a human until it leaves the mom's body at birth, so all these cases of the mom murdered and fetus considered a "second murder" is inaccurate. it's sad. but to me it's a legal loophole to make the case these people make regarding the difference.

with regards to the woman in question: i don't think there's enough information here for me. yap the guy comes off as a douchebag. but the argument that the man is just a "sperm donor" is inaccurate because now legally this woman has the right to milk him financially for the next 18-21 years. and who knows if she told him she was on the pill and really wanted to get pregnant purposely to get him to marry her, stay with her, etc? sorry but i know more than one bitch like this and they just use the pregnancy as a bargaining chip.

msAnthrope

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Slightly off topic, but one of the things about this story that's really bothering me is the fact that she was his girlfriend of eight years. EIGHT YEARS, and some part of him really thought it would be ok to do this to a woman he's been with for so long? I'm really interested in knowing what was going through his head that he thought this might be a viable solution to her pregnancy.

I think I'm also disgusted by this because the guy is 27. He's an ADULT. Effing deal with the pregnancy. And if you want out, how about LEAVING instead of harming your girlfriend?!?!?!

And yes, right on to what everyone else has said, of course!

BadenBaden

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @Leiakat: Exactly.
I'm wondering where these guys got the pills, too. Who just doles out abortion pills?
Also, after re-reading the article, this was his girlfriend of EIGHT YEARS.
I can't even comprehend.

misssgolightly

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> I read an excellent quote in a book last night on this subject:

"How come you people care so much for the unborn when you don't give even a little bit of shit for the born?"

If this child did end up suffering from some kind of after-effect of the drugs, what kind of life would it have? Also, and this is going to sound terribly callous, but this if this woman went through with having this child, she would always have some kind of tie to this bastard, even if she didn't allow him to be a part of its life. That tie would always be there. I can see why she chose abort the fetus.

Lady Skittlehattington

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @the.bleach: One of the retards that posted a comment on CBS's site.

And seriously "parasite" vs. "baby"? Gee, I wonder what ideology you're coming from there Mister.

Men leave their babies all the fucking time...suddenly father's rights! Father's rights!

SinisterRouge

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @arodriguez.romero:

In the UK one third of domestic violence begins during pregnancy and has been identified as a prime cause of miscarriage or still-birth, and of maternal deaths (Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists)

I always remenber that as there are women's aid posters over here that read

"At 18 weeks the baby started kicking, at 22 weeks so did the father..."

Chilling *shudder*

MsFaithless

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @the.bleach: Ah see, my mistake.

the.bleach

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @Leiakat: I totally agree. I think it's sick that people are doing this and trying to fuel their causes because of it.

If the man was having and baby and decided to grind up abortion pills and put them in HIS yogurt it would be quite different than assaulting a woman and her unborn child.

Snowbunny

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @misssgolightly: A choosen abortion is most likely going to be performed by a doctor in a controlled environment. You are being watched for issues. These poisioning are just giving a woman pills, and hoping the side effect is the fetus' death. Who knows what the other side effects are. There is no comparing.

Leiakat

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> does the prosecution of men who attempt to induce miscarriage in women help the cause of anti-choice activists?

To me, the bottom line is that it's a WOMAN'S choice whether or not to keep a pregnancy. If anyone attempts to make that choice for her, they are in the wrong. So if they induce an unwanted miscarriage, thus stealing the woman's choice, they are in the wrong. The bottom line is that women should always be the ones making the choice about their pregnancy, not sneaky pill-grinding boyfriends OR crazy anti-choice advocates.

funnyface

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @SinisterRouge: Haha yeah, that was what I thought when I read that. "Um, actually, yes. That's correct!"

RainbowBrite

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @violetbeauregarde: @SinisterRouge:
Why don't I see the comments you are responding to? Maybe my computer has created hate-block so I don't have to get mad at this crap anymore.

the.bleach

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @Scoregasm: Namely, stab them in the jugular.

katekate is squared

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> "So the law says a woman (host of the parasite) gets to decide if her child is a parasite or a baby!!?? How sick this all is..."

Actually, yes. Pregnancy is no walk in the park. It's difficult and potentially dangerous. And if the "host" is unwilling, either physically or psychologically, to endure the experience, no one should have the right to force her to go through it. Conversely, if a woman is willing to "host" a fetus and go through all that entails-- morning sickness, discomfort, labor and delivery-- no one has the right to interfere with the bodily functions that make it possible for her to "host" said "parasite." The Swedish sperm shooter had his chance to effect the outcome of his girlfriend's fertility and, apparently, chose to forgo a condom. Thereafter, his window of opportunity for making the major decisions closed. Her body, her choice.

PhillyLass

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @meaghan2k: That email sounds like the most retarded thing I've heard in days. The person who came up with that doesn't want to know the things I can do with a butter knife and a high heeled shoe.

Scoregasm

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @topsy: Because the lives of the babies, the innocent unborn babies trump the lives/rights/decisions of the knocked-up whores, of course. /sarcasm

It's too early in the day for shit like this. Actually, it's never a good time for shit like this. Rar.

cate3710

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> One thing that really bothers me with this type of crime is women get screwed both ways.

For a woman that feels her unborn child is life at conception and has its asshole father force its 'death', she loses her desired justice because the needed laws would hinder the right of another woman to have an abortion.

This whole thing just makes me so angry and sorrowful at the same time.

Leiakat

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Oh sweet lord. Having your psychopath boyfriend grind up abortion pills and put them in your food without you knowing is quite different than getting an abortion. It is assault on a female's body.
I'm seriously terrified that abortion will be outlawed. And I HATE when people say "Well if you don't want a baby, don't have sex!" Sex is a natural human function and sometimes the birth control is ineffective, dipshit.
UGHHH it makes me so. angry.
Let's just hope my bc works for the next ten years until I want to have kids. *cross fingers*

misssgolightly

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Psh - it is the woman's BODY and HER health at issue here. Why do people always want to conveniently forget that?

Why would someone DEFEND a guy for kicking a pregnant woman's stomach, or feeding her an abortion pill?

PinkBox

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @BiscuitDoughJones: Yeah, you and everyone else have already said everything I was going to say. Anti-choice people scare the shit out of me.

Melistic

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @type_slowly: Heh, she's so right!

DorothyZbornak

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> It's interesting that when a woman becomes pregnant, her life seems to be a secondary consideration. These two men poisoned these women. That's attempted murder. The death of the fetuses they were carrying is a very sad by-product of the crime but the main crime is against the woman. These women had made a choice to have a baby. That's their right. I find it hard to believe that this was about men not wanting to be fathers since men walk away from children every day without a backward glance. This was a crime committed against the women involved. Why aren't the people commenting upset about that.

topsy

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @type_slowly: Just googled it...Florynce Kennedy. Bless her.

type_slowly

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> After receiving a ridiculous email at work today about "If Women Ruled the World" which contained ridiculous pictures that portrayed dumb fucking stereotypes about women (example: a woman's version of a hammer and screwdriver set would be a high heeled shoe and a butter knife LOLZ) I think I'm going to be in fighting mode today.

As everyone has already said: My body, my choice. How the FUCK can anyone think that poisoning a pregnant woman just because YOU (the dude) don't want the kid be considered a sort of abortion? Seriously? Are you fucking kidding me?

Get the fuck over it. Women are going to have abortions, not only because they don't want a child, not only because it's their choice how to life their lives, but because chances are the guy who knocked her up is a shithead motherfucker like this guy right here.

ARGH.

meaghan2k

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @Erinjb: yeah, where's the outrage that this douchebag could have caused her death by, for example, uterine haemorrhage?

Charlotte Corday

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @DorothyZbornak: Who was it that said if men could get pregnant, abortion would be sacrament?

type_slowly

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Also, in regards to that first comment in the article, were either of these two men charged with or convicted of murdering an unborn child?

katekate is squared

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> I don't think he received jail time for murdering the fetus, but for (chemically) assaulting his girlfriend. I don't understand why pundits are constantly grasping at straws and undertones to stir up trouble.

Erinjb

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> EFF the CBS commenters. Take the fetus out of the equation entirely, and see what you have. Drugging a woman (with ANY intent, whether to make it easier to rape her or to kill her fetus), or kicking her in the stomach (or anywhere else in her body) is still ASSAULT. It doesn't MATTER if she's pregnant or not. An abortion is a voluntary medical procedure. Taking RU-486? A voluntary ingestion of medication. Women do not suddenly have FEWER rights when they become pregnant.

pssshwhatever

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> I think it's the term "murder" where it becomes murky, because murder refers to a human, which means the fetus, which means a fetus is a life, blah blah blah. It steps up the action from assault to murder, which is really different. Not that, of course, this guy doesn't deserve to be tried for everything they can pin on him.

tell Dolly Parton again

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> The way I see it, is that there is secondary right holder (the fetus) living inside the primary right holder (the mother), thus giving the primary right holder the choice to do as she sees fit.

But that's besides the point. If those douchebags had used something other than RU-486 to try to induce the miscarriage, let's say arsenic, there would be no question, they tried to poison those women.

pepperann

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @DorothyZbornak: WORD.

BiscuitDoughJones

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @Leiakat: Yeah, sorry, that's what I was trying to get at. I was getting so outraged by this and also by my state's bullshit marker of "20 weeks is viability for everyone" that I lost my ability to be cogent. Thanks:)

katekate is squared

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> You all have covered all the salient points for me already. Namely, Fuck Off Idiots.

Now I'm off to get coffee. Keee-rist!

leMaldeTete

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @katekate: I think the law states the fetus has to be viable outside the womb to be counted as an individual murder. Personally if someone killed me and my viable fetus, I'd want double murder charges.

Leiakat

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> And really, kicking a pregnant woman in the stomach and aborting a fetus that's not much more than a glob of cells is not really the same thing.

DorothyZbornak

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Anyone who chooses to frame the discussion in such a way won't be swayed by any logic, information or citation of longstanding legal precedents....

Lizawithazee

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> This is so tiresome. My body, my choice. Period. End of discussion.

BiscuitDoughJones

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @katekate: yup, the slippery slope. sorry, it begins when it's viable outside my uterus.

Charlotte Corday

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @katekate: yes. Plus, anyone out there have some stats/pointer to the issue of domestic abuse against pregnant women being more likely? I think I have heard this before. It has the ring of truth to it, for me.

arodriguez.romero speaks java

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Once again, if men had babies, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Because they sure as fuck would want control over their bodies. But it's wrong for us to.

DorothyZbornak

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> I can't really speak to Swedish law but essentially in the States, you cannot have an abortion without your consent.

Also, this is why many pro-choicers opposed Connor and Lacey's law (wanting to pass a different bill that would have increased penalties for violence against pregnant women) - because it really does murky the argument in the public's eyes.

To me, though, it's simple. It's about autonomy, and if anyone - a man slipping you mife or the government forcing you to carry to term and give birth - gets in the way of that, that is wrong.

TheGuvnah

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> So the law says a woman (host of the parasite) gets to decide if her child is a parasite or a baby!!??

Actually, YES you dumb fuck. Exactly that. That's why it's MY CHOICE.

SinisterRouge

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> the man is just a sperm donor. it's her body hence it's her fetus/parasite and thus her choice. simple. plus the options for a man are either to knowingly decieve the woman (which clearly distinguishes it from an abortion) or to engage in an act of violence (also a clear departure from present day abortion).

the analogous situation for a man is handing the woman the pill after having asked (and receiving permission) to do so or likewise driving her to the clinic.

mova

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Wow.

Think about sex. I can choose to have sex with someone, and that's fine, but it's illegal for someone to force me to have sex with them. You have the same eventual action (sex), which we've sanctioned as okay, but the presence or absence of choice makes all the difference.

fizzyg

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Some states have laws saying that if a pregnant woman is murdered, depending on how far along she is, the murderer can be tried for two murders. I don't think that's a federal law. It's also kind of dangerous. I don't know what kind of threshhold they have for when it's murder and when it's not, but I'd hope it's the same kind of threshhold as there is for legal abortion--i.e., pre-viability, which is often a gray area. In my state that's put at 20 weeks, which is kind of bullshit but whatever.

When I worked for NARAL, they always told us to avoid the whole "when does life begin" discussion, because it's utterly fruitless. That's what these comments seem to be getting at.

katekate is squared

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Don't grind up pills of any kind and put them in my food and drink, and we won't have this problem, umkay?

PinkSoxHat

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> I see it this way. The violence was committed against the mother. This is primary. The violence against a child/fetus/embryo/undecided should not be the focus of any such issue.

arodriguez.romero speaks java

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> WTF is wrong with people?! *Head explodes*

KathrynwithaY loves Joan Collins

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> FATHERS RIGHTS DUDE.

J.D.Regent

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> key word is choice. CHOICE. a woman decides what she does with her body, no one else. this is not rocket science!

bananaballs

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> "I find it interesting that he gets sentenced to 18 months in prison for trying to get rid of the fetus and she can legally get rid of the fetus by having an abortion."

HE TRIED TO POISON HER YOU FUCKING TWAT!

violetbeauregarde

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> @hortense: No shit. If I drink poison and fuck up my liver, whatever - my choice. If someone else does it, they're assaulting me. It said the woman had abdominal pain and bleeding. I don't see how these people can't see the difference.

Scoregasm

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Although the story serves to underscore the reality that pregnant women are particularly vulnerable to domestic violence -- expectant mothers are more likely to be victims of murder than to die of any other cause --

That's the scariest thing I've heard all day. Why? How? Is it because they don't engage in much risky behaviors that could lead to other types of death? Is it usually husband/boyfriend murder? Creepy. Yet another reason I do not want to be pregnant.

the.bleach

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Actually, we do get it both ways. Attacking a woman, physically or though drugs, is assault. Period.

If you are outside the body, you do not get to use force to decide what happens inside the body!

Leiakat

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> in short: it's my fucking body, retards. when i come to your house and start dictating terms with your carcass, THEN, we can have this wee chat, savvy?

what that guy did was wrong-- he was the very definition of ANTI CHOICE.

Charlotte Corday

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> Voluntary vs. Involuntary pregnancy termination. And she has the right to regulate what goes in and out of her body. So fuck off, CBS News posters.

hortense

]]> <![CDATA[Swedish Man Drugs Pregnant Girlfriend In Attempt To Induce Miscarriage]]> What.The.FUCK? That's all I can put together right now. Need coffee.

Kittenish has gone to the dogs...

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