<![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways - Jezebel Comments]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways - Jezebel Comments]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @MoonJewel: That's the thing, also. I want a leader who can stand up and do the right thing, regardless of pressure brought to bear by overzealous fearmongers.

ItchykooParker

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @hortense: "Hillary - More a Bangle Than A Go-Go". OMFG. That is hil-fucking-arious! That just about sums up the coverage of her during this race so far, I'm afraid.

I vote, and I DO care about issues and voting records! Let's cover some real issues, media! (And I'm IN the media!)

I was very, very torn about my Clinton/Obama choice. I would sooooo love to see a woman I agree with (for the most part) and admire in the White House. That said, if I was British I would NEVER have voted for Thatcher. And my stance on issues is most closely matched by Obama. So, for me, it's Obama. With Senator Clinton as VP? =^D

ItchykooParker

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @eatsshootsleaves: Thanks so much for the link. It was really enlightening.

MoonJewel

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Go Like Hell Machine: I certainly never said (or meant to imply) that Hillary does have the best chance in the general. I've been a Hillary supporter for the beginning since I like her politics and admire her as a person. The sole reason that I'm thinking about switching my vote is that I have many of the same reservations you do about whether she can win in Nov. However, I also have plenty of concerns about whether Barry can win. The Republicans are they're going to be ready for blood with him as well… (Although I agree that at least with him it's not going to be a rallying cry).

marin79

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @eatsshootsleaves: My point about the war isn't over whether we should have started it or not, but that there is a big difference btwn being an average person weighing in on the subject vs. someone responsible. As I stated earlier, I was against the war from the start since I never saw Iraq as a real threat. But I also know tons of people who I respect that historically had been your typical anti-war liberals who supported the war entirely out of fear. These people hate themselves for it now, so I do give others who made this same mistake a little leniency now.

That said, I do see it as a great thing that Obama was against the war from the start & I'm not trying to take that away from him.

marin79

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: There is so much petty crap that goes on during a Presidential primary. The fact is, I like Hillary's policy ideas better than Barack's (particularly where health care and the economy are concerned). Also, I'm old enough to remember Carter being trounced by Reagan, Mondale being decimated by Reagan (for telling the truth about his intention to raise taxes- something Reagan promised not to do and ended up doing twice). I remember Dukakis being eviscerated by George H.W. Bush and Al Gore having the election stolen by his son, our current disaster in chief. And I still have nightmares about John Kerry and his refusal to deal with the swiftboat ads until it was way too late. Given all of that heartbreak, I'm not going to complain if the Clintons know how to win. I know all too well that the GOP has NO illusions about what they are willing to do to stay in power, and things are too fucked up to let them win this time.

rose0red

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> Statistically, most women stay with partners who have committed adultry. If you are married and have a child - few choose to throw it all away. I would never judge her on that descision.

mepo

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @marin79: @Political Party Girl: Point taken. But that still doesn't explain how 23 other senators, also "responsible for the consequences" and whose decisions "impact American lives," managed to suss out that the war was utter bullshit and voted against it. Regardless of whether Obama factors into this debate or not, HRC's vote makes me seriously suspicious of her ability to make unpopular decisions. And if she actually bought the evidence, well, then seriously suspicious of her judgment, at least on foreign policy.

BinderClip

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @marin79: I can't agree that she will have a better chance in the general election. Look at the vitriol hurled at her now, while we're still in the primaries. Just wait until the GOP has the chance to air commercials saying she drinks babies-blood and wants to castrate your husband. I mean, look at the teeth that got bared at John Kerry. And the Clintons are the people the GOP love to hate the most.

Go Like Hell Machine

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: Word to everything you said. The day we let people like Anna Wintour have influence on our vote is the day we should all kill ourselves.

Jaguares

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @marin79: Even assuming that what Congress thought was true, that Iraq did have WMDs... wouldn't many of us still consider it a mistake to have gone to war there? The problem with the war now isn't that there was faulty information behind it, it's that we ended up causing a civil war that will have drastic, dire effects in the region for decades to come. It was simply a foolish course of action.

eatsshootsleaves

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> I'm going to get trashed for this here but I would rather not hear a woman's opinion on Clinton for a whole month. This whole trashing her has got to fucking stop. It's fucking out of control. Can you not feed the "women are bitches against women" stereotype, thanks. I know not all women trash her, but jesus, sometimes that's what it seems like.

Jaguares

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @eatsshootsleaves: Haha, me too. But that's because Hills and I are BFF. ;)

Political Party Girl

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Political Party Girl: I feel the exact same way. I was against the war from day 1 and ever went to a few anti-war rallies here in NYC. But the decision to support or oppose a war when you're a member of Congress is a completely different story. If Iraq had actually turned out to be a thread, I could just say "oops, guess I was wrong," whereas the Congress would be responsible for the consequences.

Also, just as a side note, I've decided that my vote will likely stay with Hillary next Tuesday. When I ignore all the other factors (the media, Bill, Obama supporters, etc.), she's the one I want as my President. What I struggle with though is the reality that these other outside factors do play a HUGE part in this process even if I don't think they should. Which is why the only reason I would change sides would be if I think that Barry (going with both first names, does that work?) has the better chance at the general. But as of now, I think they both will face major, albeit different, challenges getting there.

marin79

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> What I hold against Hillary is the same thing I hold against Obama and most dems, for that matter- moneyed corporate interests back her campaign, a campaign which is full of reruns from Bill's time as president, which ain't so good considering his presidency was riddled with all sorts of ickiness completely aside from the Monica bullshit...I have a tough time believing she will get us out of Iraq, promote green infrastructure, institute a single-payer universal health care plan and increase my non-living wage. Sorry, I just don't buy it when Pinochet-endorsers/enablers like Richard Holbrooke are leading advisors in her campaign...

Spaghetti Cat

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> Also, I go back and forth between "Hillary" and "Clinton," just like I go back and forth between "Bill" and "Clinton". Depending on the context it can get confusing, otherwise. I apologize if anyone gets offended like that, I'm just doing it for convenience.

eatsshootsleaves

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> IMO, voting for someone because lots of people hate her isn't the best idea. Just a thought.

@MoonJewel: [abcnews.go.com]

Also, I completely hold against Clinton the fact that she voted to go into Iraq, the same way I hold it against the president. It is completely clear at this point that they went in on shaky grounds. I respect that she's reversed her decision, but it still was a bad decision.

eatsshootsleaves

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: On the name thing...I don't think there's nearly as much to it as people here seem to. She's using Hillary because it's phonetically softer and less auster than Clinton. Also...it's feminine and she's focussing on getting female votes. Finally...it doesn't immediately remind one of anything "Clinton" among folks that may have a negative view of her husband.

It's not a sexist thing at all. Rudy is doing it because Rudy isn't ethnic like Giuliani.

I've also seen it used when a candidate has the same surname as another that has recently been tarnished. In IL there was a fella with a surname of Ryan that ran after George Ryan was indicted.

Don't worry sweets...it's all been focus grouped:)

cheerupsylvia (Can I Haz...Notice???)

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> In some female-oriented sites the Hillary hate is like the new in-thing in high school. No one knows why it's popular but the crowd will eviscerate you if you even ask why. And half of the people who cry "can't we vote on issues like men do" are utterly unaware of the actual issues at play. Just my observations, the above, but seriously, how many blogs/sites/articles out there have you seen that discuss Hillary's actual platform as opposed to the strawman one - "I am a woman"?

Dalinae

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @BinderClip: Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Sheesh. Believe it or not, I was against the war, too.

I just think maybe it was easier for Obama (like it was for me) to be "anti-war" when his decisions did not impact American lives, and he has no right to claim that his opposition to the war in the IL State Senate would have translated to a "No" vote in the US Senate.

Political Party Girl

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> Does anyone have a link to more information about Obama's pre-war anti-war stance? To be honest, I only remembered hearing about his anti-war stance when he was running for Senate, which was after the war was already going to hell (I could be wrong). I'm not doubting his anti-war stance, I just wanted to get more info.

MoonJewel

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Political Party Girl: i still would rather draft the player with the better not-getting-tackled-on-major-issues... (ie - the war) record. in this case, obama.

yes, political decision-making can be very difficult. some people seem to be better at it than others, and i try to vote for them.

kshenkshen

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @BinderClip: love this point.

J.D.Regent

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Political Party Girl: I KNOW! So what made the 24 other senators think twice??? Did they hate America? Did they want the terrorists to win? Hell, what made the rest of the world (minus that lapdog Tony Blair) think it was a bad idea, and the evidence was perchance bogus? Did they just hate America too?

BinderClip

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @BinderClip: Sorry about the double post. Thought the first one hadn't gone up.

BinderClip

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SarahMC: um, read a little bit more carefully. I know he didn't vote NO in the Senate b/c he wasn't there. Moonjewel was making the point that it was incredibly hard to be against the war, period, and particularly hard for elected officials. Unless I missed a basic fact of Politics 101, being a state senator means you're an elected official. Obama was against the war from the very beginning. In a country that was rah-rah war. Hard to do, especially if you're thinking about a future in politics.

My point about the NO's on the authorization of force is a related point about Hillary Clinton's vote (and Edward's vote too). It's been justified by saying it was really difficult to vote NO (see above), the evidence seemed solid, blah blah. Well, if a number of other senators didn't think it was a good idea, why did she? And Edwards?

BinderClip

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @BinderClip: U.S. Senators had access to classified information on Iraq that the public (including then-State Sen. Obama) did not. Yes, Colin Powell knew it was falsified, but that was because he was a part of the deception. Of course he knew! He was one of the ones who cherry-picked the intel that was sent to Congress with the intention to deceive. And she wasn't the only one fooled. 76 other Senators and 296 Representatives voted to give Pres. Bush the right to "use the armed forces of the United States as he determines necessary and appropriate in order to defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq."

Political Party Girl

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: that is EXACTLY how i feel!! Like...I remember the climate of the country at the time, and how even I was like - eek what if they're right and there ARE wmds. So I don't begrudge HRC for that. I think people forget the climate of fear we were in.

BadenBaden

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @vanishingirl: Lol. No, I was commenting about people (generally, though it was set off my something specific here) who say they don't know where candidates stand on the issues. And I was all, there are plenty of resources to find out! I never mentioned candidate comparison sites, but I actually think those are great and very helpful.

BadenBaden

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @rah29: it's impossible to know whether or not hillary would have ever been a successful politician without bill. (though, in my mind, i like to imagine her in some sort of high-up bureaucratic role, in the cabinet maybe.)

my point isn't that it's impossible that she could ever have pursued a career in politics without bill - as you say, she certainly does have the cv for it.

i do think what you say about the quasi-dynastic politics of places like pakistan might be more true than we like to think.

kshenkshen

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SarahMC: um, read a little more carefully. I never said Obama voted no on the war resolution, just that he publicly stood against the war from the very beginning. Moonjewel's point was that that in itself was hard enough for a politician. Also, the excuse for Clinton's vote (and Edward's vote too) is that well, everybody else did too b/c those were the times. But no, they didn't. A bunch of senators voted no. Why didn't Hillary Clinton?

BinderClip

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @myrtlebeachbum: I'm from myrtle too and I was actually quite shocked that she won our county & Obama took basically everything else...and poor John Edwards, what happened here?

marypoppinpills

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> this is a new idea i have. i'm sure other people have had it before, but it's new to me.

we (the public) focus so intensely on the "minutiae" of senator clinton's personal life not ONLY because she's a woman (though also because she's a woman), but because she's a woman whom we've known for close to two decades. she's been in and out of our living rooms and national conscience for years, and over that time we've "gotten to know her" and therefore feel entitled to voicing our opinions on her.

men like barack obama and john edwards and rudy giuliani have been flitting in and out of the national sphere for years, but none has been the constant living room presence that hillary (rodham) clinton has been. we don't write essays about how we "feel" about them because we don't know them as well, our feelings about them are newer and less developed. i bet some new yorkers and arizoners (dunno what they are called) could write essays about what they think of rudy giuliani or john mccain.

it's not just sexism but also familiarity which breeds disrespect.

kshenkshen

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @kshenkshen: How can you argue a counterfactual though? It's easy to say that Senator Clinton is where she is because she married Bill, but there's absolutely no way to tell what she would have become had she married a non-politician or not married at all. She was a Wellesley poli sci major and then went to Yale law; if that's not a cookie cutter political CV, I don't know what is. She's clearly always been politically ambitious (I don't mean that in a bad way--I have no problem with ambitious politicians, they're meant to be ambitious).

If anything, though, the notion that her marriage made her reveals a slightly scary thought: maybe she only could become a viable presidential candidate through family connections. If so, the US starts to look disturbingly like some of the countries that have got their first female leaders through political dynasties (India, Pakistan, Argentina, I'd list more but my brain is fizzling).

rah29

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @amoureuse: Ouch. I think my favorite was being called a "communist hippie", like that was an insult.

MoonJewel

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> MoonJewel: I was told to go back to Africa when I voiced my dissent during the bombing of Afghanistan.

amoureuse is a second class citizen

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @BinderClip: Um, no; he didn't. He was a state Senator at the time and did not have to vote on the war. He has had to vote to continue funding the war and he votes yes. So.

SarahMC

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @MoonJewel: My point exactly re Obama! For those who say, "oh, there was so much pressure, it's so hard to go against the tide and be branded a traitor," well, some people actually did. Like Obama. And the senators who voted NO on the Use of Force legislation (Feingold, Wellstone RIP, Dick Durbin, Patty Murray, Lincoln Chafee the Republican for fuck's sake). If they knew better, why didn't Hillary Clinton and John Edwards?

BinderClip

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @RosePetalPlace: exactly. also, the public's relationship with hillary is so much more developed and more complicated than our relationship with most of the other candidates. we call her by her first name because she has, in an admittedly superficial but nonetheless significant way, been a part of our lives for more than fifteen years now. there is a certain familiarity we have with hillary that is easier to embrace (as senator clinton seems to have done) than ignore, and part of it involves being known on a first-name basis.

kshenkshen

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @BinderClip: Yeah, but a lot of Americans believed it, and the politicians felt the pressure from their constituents to either vote with the president or be branded a traitor and a commie and a terrorist and every other name out there. I was with the people protesting against the war in Washington before it happened, and a lot of the country called us un-American. I can't imagine the pressure out there for the elected officials.

MoonJewel

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> also, i'm going to be honest. i like a lot of the writers who've contributed to this collection (lorrie moore, i am looking at you) way more than i like hillary.

kshenkshen

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @BinderClip: Coincidentally, I'm with you on the war stance. I can understand the argument that she might not have known better, but the point is that she should have.

Go Like Hell Machine

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @dancingteacups: it's also "rudy" and, not uncommonly, "barack" or "mitt." she herself (or her campaign, which she is ultimately responsible for) is responsible for putting "hillary" on her bumper stickers, and i don't think this is necessarily infantilizing or rood. hillary is also not the first clinton running for office, and, notably, we tend to call bill clinton "bill" now too.

also, i don't think it's incorrect to say that she is in the position she is currently in, in large part, due to the circumstance of having married bill. of course, it's not unlikely that part of what drew her and bill together in the first place was their shared ability and ambition, and i don't really think getting into electoral politics through your husband is any "worse" than getting into politics through your dad.

kshenkshen

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: Exactly. There's a lot of very valid reasons to vote/not vote for any of the three Dem candidates. I don't think that Hillary Clinton would make a bad candidate in another election, I just don't think she's the best choice in this particular election.

I do have two non-policy reasons for not wanting to vote for her:

1. I don't like the idea of over two decades of Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton. Dynasty is antithetical to democracy, no matter the party.

2. I think that Clinton polarizes folks so uniquely that she could really be a risk for the Dems taking the White House. I mean, as bad as it is now for her, wait until she's fighing the GOP War Machine. It'll make the Swift Boat scumbags look like a sunny day. And while I'd like to say that people will see past it, look at how many people can't even look past her gender.

Go Like Hell Machine

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: Is it safe for me to come out now? LOL.

I hear you, I was pretty much at my wit's end last night, over all this garbage.

KimberleeJ

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Political Party Girl: Again ('cos I've said this before) that argument doesn't really hold water for me. I understand it, but I would counter by saying that at the time, it was really difficult even for random people to be against the war. To me, it takes guts to go on record as a politician against a popular war, especially if you're thinking about running for even higher office. That, for me, says a lot about Obama. And I also think it says something about Hillary Clinton. Either she totally bought obviously (literally to the rest of the world, except Tony Blair) bogus info, or she didn't and she didn't want to take a stand. This is not a hindsight-is-fifty-fifty thing. A lot of people knew the "evidence" was false. Hell, even Colin Powell knew it!

BinderClip

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> Meh, I'm going to agree to disagree about the "Hillary" thing. I still plan on calling her Clinton or HRC, but I'm not going to jump down someone's throat if they don't. Unless it's obviously done disrespectfully.

TruculentandUnreliable

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: Wait, are you serious? You were SO PISSED about the Jesse Jackson comment! How can it have nothing to do with HRC? First the Mark Penn cocaine smear, then Andrew Young's "Barack's not black, Bill's banged more black chicks than Obama," then Bob Kerrey's "Barack HUSSEIN Obama who went to a MADRASSA" screed, then Bill's slimy as all fuck Jesse Jackson comment. NOOOOOoooooo!

Also, really, you believed the CIA?

BinderClip

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @southerncomfort: I'm home baby! I'm home.

@Go Like Hell Machine: Definitely. It's a disagreement on policy! Much much nicer, isn't it?

SinisterRouge

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SarahMC: AMEN, sister! It's a lot easier to yell at football players on TV for a "bad play," saying you would have done differently. It's a whole 'nother story to actually face those 350-pound beasts trying to tackle your ass.

Political Party Girl

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: Agree to disagree, then.

All that aside, this is the type of discussion I prefer to see on her or any candidate. They could be fucking purple and hermaphroditic and if they had the right policies, I'd vote for them.

Go Like Hell Machine

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: Don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain, just click your heels three times...........

SouthernComfort

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Political Party Girl: Me too, definitely. I will donate, put a sign up, a bumper sticker and the whole bit.

SinisterRouge

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Go Like Hell Machine: That too, I don't hold against her. At the time, that was the decision she made. And I feel fine that she won't take it back. It was the right decision at the time based on the information she had. IMO, 'course.

SinisterRouge

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: Hooray!! Welcome Back Party at my place tonight!!

I agree with you though. I'd love to see Obama in the White House, too. (If only to watch people's heads explode over a black president!) I just wish he wasn't running at the same time as my homegirl! But if he gets the nom, I'll buy real estate in Obamaville, put his sign in my yard and bumpersticker on my car, and harass Obama haters with just as much vehemence as I use to defend Hillary.

Political Party Girl

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SarahMC: It's not that she initially voted for the war, it's that, even to this day, she hasn't owned up to that not being the best decision.

This isn't by any means limited to her, as many of her colleagues should own up too, but she's the one running for president.

Go Like Hell Machine

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @southerncomfort: It's so funny because my hub is telling me this morning how it seems like I'm just buying into the media spin...and I'm realizing that I was/am a bit.

SinisterRouge

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: You are far from being a tool. Your passion for politics is very inspiring.

SouthernComfort

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SarahMC: Exactly. So the war vote is neither her nor there for me. What they plan to do from now on IS. And I like her policies. Even Bill's stupid statement about Jesse Jackson...it has nothing to do with her and I'm pissed as fuck at myself...and at the media for shoving it down my throat.

SinisterRouge

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: I don't begrudge her either because you know what? Whether Obama spoke out against the war or not, we can never know how he'd have voted in the U.S. Senate because he was not a senator at the time; he was not facing the same pressures sitting representatives were facing.

SarahMC

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: I knew you'd be back!!

Now join me this weekend phone banking for Hillary!

TheGuvnah

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @southerncomfort: I feel like a tool...but whatever...I'm not going to lie to my dear Jezzies, and maccloser and braak, but I'm finding it that I just CANNOT buy into the media spin on this whole thing.

SinisterRouge

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> you know, some of us aren't being sexist when we profess our hatred of hillary. she is crooked and a liar. i found this website that has some of her "greatest hits". just read down the left side in the blue box for a summary and tell me you want this woman running our country. someone who has 3 former business partners convicted for things she was personally involved in but that she somehow escaped prosecution of? honestly i think she has a bubble around her or something because nobody in the media is talking about her criminal past. it's not just monica, it's whitewater and more. [prorev.com] i want a female president as much as any woman, but i want the right woman in the job, not just the first one we can get. if we have a disasterous first female prez, how long do you think it will be before we get another chance?

linzie

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Macloserboy: One lunatic at the NY Chapter of NOW said Kennedy betrayed him. Pretty much every other feminist on the interwebs thinks that's outrageous. And most women are too uninvolved and uninformed to know who Ted Kennedy even is.

SarahMC

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Macloserboy: I agree.

@Go Like Hell Machine: Yeah...I think that was a big part of it. But the War has never been as big a deal to me (the original voting for it part) as to the rest of the Dem base. I was tricked into believing it too. And the Congresspeople that voted for it I feel were too. The CIA is telling you they have WMDs...I would believe them too. And I feel like a lot of America felt the same way at the time. So I don't begrudge her that particular stance.

SinisterRouge

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: Coooome back! She needs all the help she can get.

SouthernComfort

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: All heresay, but supposedly, Kennedy was pissed off about Bill Clinton's outright falsehoods regarding Obama's war record.

Go Like Hell Machine

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: You'll get over that when they start trashing Ted Kennedy for his betrayal. Man, when the primaries are over and everyone has to unite behind one person, it's gonna be a bitch to negotiate, because the winner will make the loser grovel after all this shit. And who do you think holds the nastier grudge here? Yeah, you know she and Bill do.

Macloserboy

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @J.D.Regent: I know it! These Hillary haters are seriously making me think otherwise. I'd love to see President Obama JFK II. However, I want some fucker's head to blow up at the thought of a woman president. A fucking good one. And you know what? Suicidal Dems that refuse to vote for Hillary deserve whatever Republican they may/may not get. And they can suck my big fat Hillary-voting ass.

SinisterRouge

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @badenbaden:ok I'm officially confused. So nevermind.

vanishingirl

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @badenbaden: I guess I was speaking in more of a general news sense, I actually have researched the issues and know where I stand but I'm also a poli sci dork who totally loves this stuff, but if you just watch the regular news or read the normal coverage, you hear very little of policy. But I appreciate your advice that I take some personal responsibility.

marybanjo

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: Plus, I lost my beer pong teammate when Teddy left Hillaryland.

Political Party Girl

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Political Party Girl: So much had to do with Ted Kennedy. Now I'm think that perhaps he's just personally offended by the Clintons. And that ain't my problem. HRC would be a great President..and I hate myself that I have almost convinced myself otherwise.

SinisterRouge

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @badenbaden: oh I am though! I think? You said (I think) that it was lazy to use the "candidate comparison" sites to figure out where a candidate stands. I said I was practical because sometimes I don't have time to slog through paragraphs of bullshit and journalistic opinion to get to the heart of the issues.

Ima go back and check that, though. :\

vanishingirl

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: girl you can't win today!

J.D.Regent

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Political Party Girl: Dude, I am quickly moving right the fuck back. Seriously. I feel like I'm being manipulated by the media and liberal friends into this shit. Yesterday I was ready to vote for Obama, now I'm seriously thinking I'll vote for Hillary. Fuck this shit.

SinisterRouge

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Political Party Girl: I noticed that too. I kept waiting for her to say, I give you the respect of your title, I expect the same from you. but I'm sure others would have found that too unbecoming.

phantom lady

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: Ugh. Tell me about it. Perhaps I'm just feeling lonely and bitter since you moved to Obama-ville. Send me a postcard!

Political Party Girl

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SarahMC: I think he's gotten his share of unfair remarks (see: "Hussein" Obama, educated in a madrassa, closet Muslim, etc.), it just hasn't stuck like a lot of the unfair remarks have with her.

Go Like Hell Machine

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @mbprice: Yeah, I'm with you. Unfortunately they all--and Clinton I think more than most, though you can definitely argue that Obama gets a lot of irrelevant baggage thrown at him too--have to contend with innumerable layers of bullshit before their actual policy messages get to anyone. I like their websites for that stuff, at least they list policy agendas without having to filter through the lazy eyes of the media.

rah29

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @minesbigger: Thanks, I appreciate it.

marybanjo

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @BritneyCanadaWhore: You have summed IT ALL up positively brilliantly. Seriously, I think everyone should have to read your comment.

SarahMC

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Political Party Girl: I mean I was being dramatic. How girly! Just saying that it's exhausting.

SinisterRouge

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Macloserboy: Obama's blackness is but a blip on the radar compared to the scrutiny HRC faces. There is absolutely NO comparison.

SarahMC

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SarahMC: That's the difference when Republicans get ripped on sexual matters. Because they're hypocrites that try to moralize our sex lives while being completely fucked up themselves.

SinisterRouge

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @type_slowly: Oh, don't worry. It will come. The only difference is Hillary is established in a way that he is not. When he's been on a national level and part of the public consciousness for as long as she has, you will see a book on him by Black people dissecting him from his name to the size of his dick.

Macloserboy

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SinisterRouge: You don't want her to win because of the criticism she receives from "other women?" Why is caving to them the only way to stop it? Why not shut them up by putting her in the White House? I'm just glad the women's suffrage movement did not adopt your attitude.

Political Party Girl

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @stacyinbean: Larry Craig is a hypocrite, though. HRC is not trying to outlaw standing-by-one's-man.

SarahMC

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @mbprice: You mean you want to know what candidates actually stand for?!? Get out!!!

SinisterRouge

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @rah29: Normally I would agree with you, but the last 7 years to the contrary have made it abundantly clear that I would like to personally vet politicians' rhetorical skills. And it's not so much the distractions of bloggers I'm talking about; I just want candidates to be clear and concise and specific. I want more than a baseline "I support this" or "I don't support this"... I would like actual reasons for that support or lack thereof. And I'd like it explained in the press, not just buried on the candidate's website. Pipe dream? Probably.

mbprice

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Go Like Hell Machine: @RosePetalPlace: @kellyhelene: If it has nothing to do with her being a woman, why is it that Condoleezza Rice is so commonly referred to as "Condi?" I will stop being upset about this the day Ben Bernanke is known as "Benji."

Political Party Girl

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> It seems to be right-wing near-fundies that hate her for sticking in her marriage. They would hate her for divorcing too. Because they think she doesn't know her place. She's an uppity woman.

Mrs. DeLesseps To You, Dahling

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @BinderClip: But he ended up being referred to a W, so maybe there is something to it.

MoonJewel

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Political Party Girl: Interesting, though, that Bush (junior) didn't have that problem, even though there had been another Bush (père).
I mean, HRC always going to be hitched to WJC in a way that Bush wasn't to his father.

BinderClip

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> First, I think she uses her first name because thanks to the right-wing lunatics during the 90s coining it as a hatred-filled way of talking about her. She just took it for herself and owns it now. I don't think it's got anything to do with disrespect.

Secondly, I hope she doesn't win. Simply because I cannot take how much other women will hate on her for no reason. And there are rational people that can dislike her and even say they hate her based on policy issues. But to the point where I've had nice, liberal, open-minded men calling her a cunt...well, sexism is alive and well. And the thing that disgusts me the most is how women are the ones doing the most damage. Not at all based on policy, but on completely inane basis'. It's ridiculous, sad and fucking pathetic. Women LOVE to tear each other down. And Hillary is the most powerful woman we've encountered. She's a microcosm of our entire country's lack of respect for women in general. The fact that so many women are the ones hating on her...that's just fucking sad.

SinisterRouge

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @RosePetalPlace: @kellyhelene: Duh. Should have refreshed first.

Go Like Hell Machine

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Political Party Girl: @TruculentandUnreliable: I can see what you mean, but I just can't agree. I think that's kind of having it both ways. It would seem that her use of "Hillary" isn't just an attempt to keep clear of "Clinton for Prez!", it's also part of her team's overall strategy to "humanize" her (which, for the record, I think it's sad that she feels she needs to adopt this strategy in the first place).

Go Like Hell Machine

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @TruculentandUnreliable: I understand the concern, but the thing is she's a special case. She even identifies herself by her first name -- all her signs and promotional materials just say "Hillary." So that's the name people see and hear everywhere, and that's how she's "branded" herself. Now, if people start referring to Nancy Pelosi as "Nancy" we might have a problem... but for now, the Hillary thing is pretty much an anomaly easily explained by her specific situation.

RosePetalPlace

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @TruculentandUnreliable: Ever since she ran for senate she's done the first name thing, though. Her stickers back then just said "HILLARY" without even having Clinton on them. So I figure calling her such is OK since she does it herself.

kellyhelene

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @charlotte corday: Um, you may call yourself whatever you like. I'm not arguing about what women call themselves, but rather what others call us. I do not believe a woman's marital status should be an issue in a professional setting, which is why I think Ms. Clinton (and Ms. Brite, in reference to myself) is more appropriate in those situations. Frankly, if someone called me Miss Brite at work, I would feel that they were highlighting my youth. When someone refers to Hillary as "Mrs. Clinton", it seems as though they are pegging her to her husband, or like, that's what you'd call Chelsea's mom if you were at their house for dinner and you were 12.

In social situations, Miss and Mrs. are fine, IMO, unless an individual prefers otherwise.

RainbowBrite

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @TruculentandUnreliable: My poor roommate has been listening to me rant about that exact point for weeks. It infuriates me in the debates when the other candidates call her "Hillary." Only recently has she reciprocated, calling Edwards and Obama, "John" and "Barrack." Even from an objective standpoint (which, yes, I am capable of adopting), it is demeaning at best.

@Go Like Hell Machine: That's because unlike Edwards and Obama, she can't just use her last name. "Clinton for President?" That would sound like Bill was running again -- exactly what she does not need. And like I said, until the last 2 or so debates, she has been saying "Senator Edwards" and "Senator Obama."

Political Party Girl

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Macloserboy: True, but I don't think he has encountered the same kind of pure hatred that Hillary gets. I also think that the African American community has been much quicker to embrace Obama then women have been to embrace Hillary. (Perhaps I'm wrong, or my perception is skewed, given that I live in DC which is very democratic and has a majority population of African Americans.) Or maybe it's comparing apples to oranges. But as a rule people who are voting for Hillary don't hate Obama the way Obama supporters do on Hillary.
I also find it hard to imagine a similar book on Obama (30 African American writer reflecting on Obama or something) would be so negative.

I'm just REALLY sick of all this divisive bullshit within the Democratic party. Can we please just join forces and get the fucking Republicans out?

type_slowly

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> You can't call Hillary Clinton "Clinton" and Bill Clinton "Bill"? Is that somehow less clear?

Anyway, it's pretty obvious why she's called by her first name and the others by their surnames. And certainly that kind of shit wouldn't fly if Barack Obama had been singled out that way. Can you imagine? Ms. Clinton, Mr. Edwards, and Barry? Outrageous, as Judge Judy says.

lisas

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @rah29: I mean I sometimes get dewy-eyed about her shoes, but then I study the EU, there 's not much eye candy to be had (not that Gordon Brown isn't a hottie).

rah29

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Go Like Hell Machine: I know, but see the comment @MsDirector.

TruculentandUnreliable

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @mbprice: Forgive me but I've always found this a pretty spurious argument (the 'if I don't understand it how will Ahmedinejad' thing). The relationship between the candidate and the voter during a campaign is totally different to the relationships between state leaders. There's a diplomatic corps that exists specifically to tell people abroad what the American stance is on various things. There are high level meetings behind closed doors. So much foreign policy gets made over breakfast meetings, it's almost scary. No foreign leader is going to be distracted by what a blogger says about her hairstyle in a meeting; I doubt anybody gets lost in flights of fancy about Angela Merkel's shoes when she's explaining German policy.

rah29

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @mbprice: Well, any analysis is necessarily over-inclusive and under-inclusive. There's no way to actually determine "why people (especially women) hate hillary" - it's like a Vein diagram - there's the circle of "no woman will ever be president on my watch," the "I have no ish with a chick prez just please not THIS one" and then the combo of both/and.

BritneyCanadaWhore

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> What I really dislike is that the bullshit, non-issue criticism about Hillary Clinton (what she wears, her lipstick, etc.) masks and obfuscates the real, legitimate criticism of her policies.

Go Like Hell Machine

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @RainbowBrite: maybe it's b/c i'm english, but i'm still mrs even though i'm divorced. like camilla parker-bowles (blergh). funnily enough, the same people who gave me shit about changing my name when i got married, also gave me shit for not changing it back again.

meh, i say, it's my name, not yours, so go hula-chair yourself.

Charlotte Corday

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @vanishingirl: First of all, don't ever apologize for disagreeing with someone! Secondly, it actually doesn't sound like you ARE disagreeing with me.

BadenBaden

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @vanishingirl: I know what you mean, but for me, I HATE that the NY Times refers to her as "Mrs. Clinton". I HATE when people use Mrs. in a professional context. I feel that Miss and Mrs. are social titles and that Ms. should be used in professional situations.

RainbowBrite

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> we should all remember, this bullshit would be directed at US should any of us decide to run in the future. i'm waaay too compromised, but you know, anyone else...

Charlotte Corday

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> There is no escaping the Hillary hate! But... maybe it's just me because I work in and study politics.

Political Party Girl

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @BritneyCanadaWhore: Hm, those are all interesting points. This is why I wish I would have taken a women's studies class or two in college... but Jezebel has been good education for me, too. Thanks for your thoughts.

mbprice

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> My mom hates her mostly based on her originally pro-war stance and the fact that she hasn't apologized for it. She's an Obama supporter. I've recently decided to vote for Hilary because the obnoxious, smug, jack-ass, white male professor I have called her Satan yesterday in class. The minute I realized that she scared the crap out of him and would degrade him into using such a juvenile attack was the moment I knew I had to vote for her. Sad when these things turn out like that.

MoonJewel

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @badenbaden: sorry but I disagree. There's a lot of worthless shit written about all the candidates out there that has nothing to do with their stances on important issues. Like what this whole thread is about. Looking at candidate comparisons to see where a candidate stands is NOT lazy, it's practical IMO.

vanishingirl

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @myrtlebeachbum: How's about, this sort of thing happens to all candidates, but happens a hell of a lot more to female candidates?

MegSpencer

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @myrtlebeachbum: Yeah...unfortunately this kind of stuff in intersting to some women. I mean...look at the "snap judgement" posts on this blog. You think you'd find something like that on a blog catering to men? Nope. Just like women dress...or feel pressured to dress...for other women. Sometimes the kneejerk reaction should be to look in the mirror rather than to throw stones.

cheerupsylvia (Can I Haz...Notice???)

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @TruculentandUnreliable: Her own marketing/campaigning refers to her as Hillary....

Go Like Hell Machine

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @minesbigger: I totes agree that we're inundated with it. We absolutely are, and it definitely would be easier if the media was a bit more discerning in their coverage. But. At the end of the day, most people are lazy voters who can't be bothered to find out who they actually support on the issues. I just didn't expect to see that on Jez!

BadenBaden

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @mbprice: It boggles my mind, too. I don't think the girl-on-girl Hillary hate can possibly be summed up without seeming trite and reductive - "she's a woman." I think this fact plays out negatively for myriad reasons.
Western patriarchal society instills tacit woman-hatred from a very young age in both boys AND girls - through gender segregation, media, pop culture, history, academia . . . Girls are taught to sympathize with the male experience (think Pixar movies) while the same is not true in reverse.
What about Condi - Hillary is eyeballs-deep in a boy's game and this is screwing her twofold - she's either criticized for being too mannish/playing by the boys' rules, or she's criticized for not playing by them enough (the cookie-baking thing, "crying," etc.) When the default model is the male one, there isn't really a way for a female to navigate it without being necessarily incongruent/dissonant.
And then there's the school of thought that women are valued/value themselves based on their proximity to a powerful man. Because so many men despise Hillary for many reasons, it could follow that women would espouse the same views in order to ingratiate themselves. Hell, there's nothing more appealing to an anti-feminist dude than an anti-feminist woman, right? Not that anyone who would choose not to support Hillary is necessarily anti-feminist.
In short, who the fuck knows. Maybe it's just Mean Girls redux.

BritneyCanadaWhore

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @myrtlebeachbum: Because it's acceptable to attack a woman for being a woman, because sexism is still A-OKAY here in America.

katastic

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Macloserboy: I dunno. It goes beyond people questioning HRC's "femaleness," and while I receive plenty of "Hillary's a Bitch" joke emails from people who should know me better, no one's sent me any "Obama's a Negro Hahahahaha" emails. Jes sayin.

myrtlebeachbum

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @hammerimissu: Ah. Disregard my previous question then.

valet_of_the_dolls

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @mbprice: But the candidates state their positions EVERY DAY. Literally, every day. Now, I fully recognize that some candidates change positions (ahem, Romney) and that there are a hell of a lot of issues. But as a voter, it is MY responsibility to figure out who to vote for and why. And it's not rocket science. If someone genuinely doesn't know where a candidate stands, there's this great thing called the Internets that they can check out.

BadenBaden

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Macloserboy: Wait, Obama is black?

j/k

mbprice

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> People would not be picking her apart like this if she were male I don't think. Gender has a lot to do with it. And yes, unfortunately no matter what she does something will always be wrong. And its true that nobody is educated about the important facts... but this goes across the board with society as a whole, not just in regards to Hillary. I'm not quite sure what it says about us... that we're like lambs? that ignorance is bliss? that we're so overloaded with information we need to allieviate the heaviness of daily living with nonsense? Not sure. I don't think sole responsibility lies with the individual though. Seems like more of a societal problem.

sparklytoesfairydustbutt

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> Sadly, Obama has had to face this scrutiny as well or does no one remember the questioning of his "blackness"?

Macloserboy

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @badenbaden: This is true, but on the other hand, we're constantly being inundated with the sort of crap that this book represents. If you want to find out actual positions you have to go out and look for them. That isn't to say that people shouldn't be doing that work (they should!) but it's also hard to avoid the stuff getting shoved in your face everywhere you turn.

MegSpencer

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SarahMC: Well, I think you hit the nail on the head with people actively searching for reasons to dislike her. I just can't figure out the root of the hate... just because she's a woman who stands a legitimate shot at power? That's fucked up.

mbprice

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @hammerimissu: Is there something we should know that's not in the wiki entry?
[en.wikipedia.org]
If so, do enlighten.

valet_of_the_dolls

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @SarahMC: I'm sure I'll get slammed for this, as I have before. But I consider myself a feminist and dislike her for political and non-political reasons. Yes, her marriage is not really my business, but neither are Larry Craig's homosexual dalliances, and I'll still comment on both. Anyway, I think it sucks she stayed with him. I think I'd respect her more if she had left. That's all.

stacyinbean

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @badenbaden: I would agree, but to a certain extent, the burden of explaining one's position must also rest on the politician. If for nothing else, because I want someone who can clearly and elucidate his or her position in front of a foreign dignitary and not have to make them look it up themselves. If they can't get their message across to me, what makes me think they'll get it across to Iran?

mbprice

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @cheerupsylvia: Yep. A girlfriend sent me a "Hillary's a cunt hahahahahaha" email the other day, and some stepford wife at a party the other night told me that Edwards needs to lose and go home to take care of his wife (he's a doctor now?). Yep, HRC's a bitch, Elizabeth can't take care of herself, and Michelle is a superwoman - cartoon characters, all of them. So tired, oh so tired, especially when the bullshit is coming from my sisters.

myrtlebeachbum

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @southerncomfort: Yes. You are right. Senator Clinton.

katastic

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @badenbaden: Thank you

SarahMC

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> The thing taht irks me about Hillary is how the media's excuse for Hillary not being popular with any given woman is that they identify with her, and so find her behavior reflects on them. As if one woman stands for ALL WOMEN. This isn't true for men, of course- John McCain's actions don't mean that all men feel like John McCain. But because Hillary's a woman, every action she takes stands for all women? No! Fuck that! Her actions reflect her as a politician and a person, but BECAUSE she's a women, her actions are perceived as being those of a woman first- then a politician and a person. Like women aren't really humans- they're this other vagina-ed thing first. IT KILLS ME.

katastic

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Archetype: no worries! I do too! It's just unfortunate because you know so many people vote based on something completely arbitrary, that many times is probably total bullshit.

stacyinbean

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @mbprice: Ehhh I don't know. I'm sure some self-proclaimed feminists dislike her for non-political reasons. Though I don't trust a self-proclaimed feminist who won't vote for her BECAUSE "she stayed with Bill."
That's ridiculous, and the type of sentiment I hear from conservative women in my family who are just looking for reasons to dislike her - they think it makes them sound un-sexist when they say she should have left Bill, but it's just lame because WHY IS IT ANYONE'S BUSINESS?

SarahMC

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @marybanjo: OK - but at some point, isn't it up to YOU to figure out where a candidate stands? You say you don't know anything about her policies. So why not take the initiative and find out? I highly doubt that you know more about, say, Edwards' policies - unless of course you TOOK THE TIME TO RESEARCH THEM.

/end rant about people complaining that they "don't know where candidates stand on the issues" because they're too lazy to find out.

BadenBaden

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @TruculentandUnreliable: @MsDirector: Point taken. Senator Clinton it is.

SouthernComfort

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> Ya know...this fascination with all esoteric minutae relating to Hillary gets treated like its some anti-feminist conspiracy perpetrated by men. I think we all know who the largest consumers of this superficial crap is ladies. Are you gonna make me say it? That's what really makes me stabby.

cheerupsylvia (Can I Haz...Notice???)

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @southerncomfort: On the one hand, yes. On the other hand, as with everything else, she just kind of has to embrace whatever gets thrown at her and try to turn it to her own advantage, you know?

MsDirector

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @stacyinbean: Sorry, I see you said "most" :-)

Archetype

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Susan B.: LOL!

vanishingirl

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @minesbigger: I know, me too! I'm trying really, really hard not to do it, but I do catch myself referring to her as "Hillary" sometimes.

@southerncomfort: I think it's a valid argument, but I feel like calling her by her first name and other candidates by their last names seems disrespectful. As minesbigger wrote, I think "Clinton" is fine in context, and Ms. Clinton in formal writing works the best.

TruculentandUnreliable

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @stacyinbean: This voter does.

Archetype

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @Pinkosaurus: I get the feeling that none of these people actually KNOW anything about politics, so the actual issues are not something they'd ever write about.

Also, a woman named Lionel has no business critiquing anyone's femininity.

Susan B.

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @MsDirector: If you visit her site she has "Hillary for President" at the very top so my guess is she is not offended.

SouthernComfort

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @minesbigger: John Edwards for me. I knew that all along though.

vanishingirl

]]> <![CDATA[30 Women Hate On Hillary In 30 Different Ways]]> @