<![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes? - Jezebel Comments]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes? - Jezebel Comments]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> I don't think that's Dov in the photo accompanying this story. I too worked for American Apparel for a little more than 2 years. No longer with the company. Don't much care to discuss any of the CEO's sexual proclivities. But for the record, I am male, and NEVER saw anything more inappropriate than with any other job I had. My question isn't so much with the ongoing Dov Dialogue, but more so with the photo accompanying this story. I don't think this is actually Dov in the picture. To the other AA peeps that have commented here, look close, am I just blind/stoned? for one thing the guy in this photo looks to be around 6' tall, Dov is more like 5'7" (on a good day). Also, photo man looks about 40lbs heavier than Dov and with less than a eighth the body hair. I may be really high, but I still don't think that's him.

SushantiOxyntes

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @HiroProtagonist: So if they're not guilty of one form of exploitation, it's ok if they're guilty of another?

bowleserised

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Oh man.. I am bummed for the woman in the photo (who I sort of know). That guy sort of always looks like a wannabe Dov so I don't know how "costumey" it is for him.

jesspgh

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Rant all you want about the pervert founder or the incredibly bad advertisements, American Apparel in the only clothing company with over 100 employees that makes 100% of it's products in the USA. I will pay a premium for that alone any day of the week. That and their men's clothing is great. I know this is Jezebel and not The Consumerist but I am glad someone is fighting against WalMart's "Race to the Bottom" and know that American Apparel is more than just Dov Charney's cock.

H.P.

HiroProtagonist

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @aucharme: The article in the New York Times was hearsay? It's one thing to drink the kool-aid. It's another thing to be mainlining the shit.

topsy

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Even if it weren't for the (completely unsurprising at this point) sexual harrassment lawsuits and the serial dickishness of their CEO, I would not buy AA. The clothes are of such shitty quality: their tees get holey almost immediately, seams come undone in the wash. The only thing they have going for them is a fabulous color scheme, but then, so does J.Crew, and the prices are comparable.

Oh, don't get me wrong: I'll still shoplift from American Apparel from time to time, but Dov can forget about getting his filthy hands on my hard earned cash.

RayBay

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Thing is, there's a trial starting tomorrow. Think it's probably best that I stay out for the time being. Once the facts are in, people will be able to make up their own minds, rather than rely on hearsay.

aucharme

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @aucharme: Okay then, please give us "the other side of the story" or at least yours. If you care so much about the media's treatment of AA, and the public having a fair and balanced opinion of things, then you'll care enough to stick up for them. Email Moe@jezebel.com.

BiscuitDoughJones

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> I've been following the daily AA posts, and only today decided to take it further and wiki Sir Charney... where I came up with this little gem (new to me! old news to all you NY hipsters)
From wiki "In the context of an ongoing series of conversations about sexuality with Jane Magazine, Charney masturbated on a number of occasions in front of the writer and staged a sexual encounter with an American Apparel employee."
Where the hell can I find a copy of this article? In what context did the multiple masturbation sessions occur? What did the Jane writer do when he whipped it out?
I wait with baited breath for more AA news. Admittedly, court case or no, I'm not sure I could rock one of those ass-cheek baring singlets they seem so fond of. Maybe that will be Lilo's next fashion incarnation. At which time the world is doomed. DOOMED!

Jys

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @aucharme: Really? How long have you been there? Even the long-time AA employees I know are ready to dish about spyholes, wank mags and Dov's standard photo shoot erections. This cock sock at a meeting stuff is the tip of the iceberg.

And saying employees are naive to *not* think they'll be harassed is bull. Not everyone knows the stories, not every provocative ad means the company's a cesspool (hell, Playboy is practically run by professional, even boring, women).

HeatherNumber1

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @bowleserised: zing!

persephone

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @bowleserised:
Agreed. There are two sides to every story. Why not wait to formulate an opinion once all the facts come in?

aucharme

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @aucharme: And some people use corporate hierarchy for personal sexual gain. Just sayin'.

bowleserised

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @kataroo_kangaroo:
I worked for minimum wage. And I worked my way up. I've seen all sides. I've been here long enough to see it all.
I was just trying to remind people that sometimes people utilize our court systems for personal gain. That's all.

aucharme

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @aucharme: I'd be a liar if I said it didn't. Of course, technically I wasn't arguing semantics there just kind of snottily suggesting that your response was unreasonable. Now I'm arguing semantics.

braak

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @aucharme: Well, actually it would matter. If you worked in their PR or marketing department, then you'd be def. schiling for the AA side of things, working on the company image, etc... If you were working for minimum wage on a sales floor somewhere, then you might have a different perspective as well.

Le Kangourou de Kataroo

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Yeah. Actually, when Jefferson was drafting that there Declaration, he was GOING to include a little bit about how a good democracy entails that corporate CEOs should have the right to sexually harass any employee that strikes their fancy, but then that pinko Franklin made him edit that part out.

TeenageGangDeb

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @aucharme: And I'm sure there were good people working at Enron too. But you have to admit, that the kind of behavior outlined is just a little past societally acceptable, isn't it? There's nothing wrong with a healthy, happy, and free workplace, as long as there's decorum. And in this day-and-age, that kind of behavior is just not acceptable in a workplace.

NefariousNewt

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @topsy: White, got money... and no doubt lawyers who have kept him out of the mix for a while. Perhaps his defenses are finally going to break?

NefariousNewt

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @braak:
Thanks for the english lesson. Arguing semantics always makes one feel superior, doesn't it?

aucharme

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @aucharme: Generally speaking, the phrase "just wondering" indicates that, to the speaker, anyway, the answer actually doesn't make any difference. "Just wondering" is used to preclude other reasons whereby the answer might have bearing on the conversation.

braak

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @Kataroo_Kangaroo:
I work in accounting. In the factory. Wait no, I'm one of the models. No actually I'm part of the retail department. What difference does it make really? Does one job title make more of an impact than another?

aucharme

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @aucharme: What exactly do you do at AA? Just wondering...

Le Kangourou de Kataroo

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> It was cute at first (albeit from a good distance) but this guy is fucking batshit, I think all the years of smoking freebase wearing nothing but a shoe string on his taint have finally taken their toll on poor old dov. I'm really shocked he went this long without any sort of real legal action, I mean the guy obviously has no sense of appropriate behavior.

Gonzeau

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @aucharme: So, is there more to the story, and if so, why won't you elaborate? Question mark?

Namennayo

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @aucharme: Are you saying that he didn't come into meetings wearing a...sorry, a "cock sock"...or just that everyone was okay with that?

braak

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @ninety_nine: What are you waiting for? You can get arrested for rubbing your hand under a bathroom stall. You don't even have to give someone money or engage in an explicitly sexual or lewd act to get arrested and charged.

As far as flashing and comparing Charney's "attire" go, I can understand the distinction you made. However, the similarity between the two is that flashers intend to intimidate and dominate through their behavior, which is the same as what Charney does. True, laws against flashing and public nudity may have arisen more out of a sense of public decency rather than the right of innocent onlookers to not have a sexually explicit image forced upon them, but more and more, the discussion regarding sexual crimes and perpetrators includes recognition of the motivation of criminals to dominate and cause mental, rather than only physical harm to their victims. I consider Charney's employees a captive audience to a form of sexual self-expression and intimidation that is too detrimental to their right to be free of unwelcome sexual situations to be protected (too-long sentence, I know).

Namennayo

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @aucharme: Ooh, we have an AA employee in our ranks?

BiscuitDoughJones

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @topsy:
You're basing your opinion on rumors not facts. I don't need to elaborate. You don't work here. You don't know the whole story. Period.

aucharme

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @hamburgerhotdog: Here's an interesting but often little considered situation: printing. I've been to a number of commercial printers, and all of them have at least a small percentage of work that struck me as 'porn'. The people working there had no expectation of encountering, say, a Snoop Dogg CD insert that had a pornographic comic. But then you show up your first day and spend the entire day folding that. Is that harassment?

I've always found it jarring and oddly disconcerting. The printers are blase, because it's there all day. I always figured it was like a butcher shop. No one gets upset by the entrails.

ninety_nine

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @topsy: I've actually never even seen an American Apparel store. I wasn't sure they even really existed, but there were ads on the back of the Chicago Reader for the longest time. Creepy ads with the sort of almost pretty girls, the types that might have rode the "short bus" in high school, wearing leotards and weird shoes. I don't get the appeal.

goldenmonkey

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @Namennayo: No, I think walking around in a parking lot with a sock on your cock would probably get you taken into custody, but depending on local statutes, probably wouldn't result in a charge (depending on whether or not being bare assed is legal).

If you opened your pants, that would.

I look forward to the day when cops have diagrams about what part of your body is appropriate for public display. The ass crack being the trigger, of course (otherwise we'll be dealing with g-string ratios, and on one wants to measure ass in a parking lot).

I'm going to write a book "My Taint, Myself"

ninety_nine

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @katastic: If he's calling women 'cunts' at work, he must have the worst attorneys in the world, because no one would let him within a mile of a jury with that hanging over his head.

I've seen more than enough commentary to indicate that it isn't a place I would work, but if he's already doing plenty of stuff that is textbook harassment, why hasn't a case come forward yet? They are private, so they might just be writing plenty of checks, but damn, how big is their margin? Because instead calling a woman a cunt, why doesn't he just write a $10,000 check?

I don't like that AA hating always takes on a whiff of Dworkinism. I always assumed that much of their collateral was submitted by fans/consumers. I didn't think they were manufacturing the images in the ads (at least, not the early days). But none of it is any worse than your average Diesel/CK/D&G ad. Where's the anger at that?

=============

What's with the sizing? I find the men's sizes to be one of the few places that seem to be accurate (and they also note they are intended to be 'fitted' NB- I'm only talking about tee shirts)

@skinnybonejones: Women and stuff? I was talking about women and stuff -- Slut Machine's rape fantasy story, in particular. Me, I find rape fantasies off-putting and unfortunately too pervasive (in women, that is).

ninety_nine

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Whew. Thankfully the picture isn't loading for me or I might have vomited up the little chocolate donut that I ate for lunch. And it was a damn good little chocolate donut. Dov Charney makes my skin crawl. And not in a good way. He is just swapping one form of exploitation for another.

Lindsiford!

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @aucharme: What has sexuality got to do with it? Harassment, like rape, is less about sex and more about power. This asshole walks into meetings naked because he CAN. Since it seems to be an accepted fact that women don't count for shit in the AA universe, I have to ask if other men are allowed to attend meetings similarly attired. Younger, more attractive men with bigger dicks. Why am I positive the answer is no? If you want to believe that you're in a progressive liberated environment that's fine. I'll just say YOU'RE DELUDED.

topsy

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @ninety_nine: It's harassment because it's an unwelcome, unreasonable display of Charney's body. It's no different from a dude flashing you in a parking lot (which is a crime, by the way) except you're STUCK in the freaking meeting with Charney and Charney, Jr., which is probably even worse. If you say, "Get out," or, "Put on some clothes," or, "I don't like this," do you think there'd be no professional repercussions?

Charney showed his employees what his opinion was on appropriate office attire and behavior in a way that was even more direct than asking a woman, "Would you like to see me come to work naked?" That in itself would probably be wrong. This creep takes it to a whole other level, and because he's so freakishly out there, it's as though you can't even put him in a normal context and evaluate his actions. He's not an amoral, magical manifestation of the transcendental, Jungian human consciousness that has been unleashed upon the world like a horseman of horniness, reaping what we all have sown. He's a sexual predator who knows how to make money. Don't glorify him as being outside a system that the rest of us must participate in.

Namennayo

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @Kataroo_Kangaroo: Well, that's fine. I'd probably feel uncomfortable as well. He probably has a hairy back.

But there are plenty of men (and women) who would probably feel uncomfortable seeing a topless woman walking down the street (even the cops and the DA, who might detain one for 10 hours, even though such activity is completely legal), but that isn't harassment.

Sexualized imagery is key -- legally and socially. Pornography in lockers of firefighters is easy, since it reflects a attitude that is generally accepted as sexualized.

Look there's plenty of anecdotal evidence about his sex fetishes, but again, I don't follow the story closely. Does he jerk off in his office in front of people? Harassment, for sure (even if you signed a work agreement that says 'Dov might jerk off in front of you' that legally would be harassment).

There's no doubt that he might be doing it because he wants to intimidate, or attract, his coworkers and subordinates. Given the pervasiveness of romances and the absence of socialism (which I include only because it's impossible to create absolute equality in a capitalist environment), some men might put a nice suit for the exact same reason.

ninety_nine

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @titania1285: Hmm. If I put the pictures on, I'd have to write something crazy on the back, like:

"We, the Friends of Dov Charney, know that the persistent rumors that he smears his greasy, semen-stained fingers all over every piece of AA clothing, or that he regularly uses gold-lame tights to floss his ass-crack, or that he has secret cameras installed in all the dressing rooms with CC feeds to his Masturbation Fortress in Canada, are false.

"Whosoever is spreading those rumors, rumors that he lurks around in the back office wearing just his underwear, rumors that he slicks his hair back vaginal fluid from his employees, and encourages them to do the same, obviously doesn't know the real Dov Charney, who is a generous man, and affectionate towards all of his employees.

"Buy AA. We swear it isn't covered in spume."

braak

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @Kataroo_Kangaroo: Isn't that pretty much the textbook definition of harrassment - "Such conduct has the purpose or effect of unreasonably interfering with an individual's work performance or creating an intimidating, hostile, or offensive working environment.'

Could a woman who's a secretary for Playboy file under title VII or would her work in a sexually-charged environment put her in a situation where she should expect to be subjected to behavior that creates a hostile workplace--aka, the 'asking for it' argument? This woman filing was not a model who explicitly agreed to pose in suggestive positions. She's a sales manager and he was way the fuck out of line.

hamburgerhotdog

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @biscuitdoughjones: Women being unhappy = frivolous or hysterical.

Dogtanian

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Am I crazy, or is this guy's picture posted in some American Apparel dressing rooms? I've tried on clothes at the one in Santa Monica and I could swear there were photos of some mustachioed seventies-porn-lookin' dude staring at me while I was trying to cram my ass into some absurd cut-out leotard.

edgyspice

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @Namennayo: Like I've said before, I am not making any excuses for him, he can burn in hell and lose all his money in sexual harassment lawsuits from everyone he works with. He deserves everything and anything he gets.

ineffable.me

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @ninety_nine: Way to be a dick and let fly with the low-blows, asshole. Enjoy your hyper-evolved, rapey mental state.

We'll just be over here, you know, giving a shit about being women and stuff.

SBJ

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @ninety_nine: My objection is not so much to the nudity (caveat:ew) as to calling woman 'sluts' and 'cunts', which he admits to. Hanging out with your friends? Sling around the words! He can call his mother a cunt, for all I care. But when you're speaking to your employees? Fuck you. Don't call people who you expect to treat you with respect and deference "sluts".

katastic

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @ineffable.me: It's sad, unfortunate, and confusing that women work at AA and that they put up with its crap, and the ones who have the ability to work somewhere else should LEAVE. But whether or not the employees know better, they're still being violated. Nobody is born an attorney or a womens' rights activist. The need to preserve one's sense of pride and physical and sexual integrity isn't necessarily instinctive and often comes about only after proper instruction, education, and/or experience. Even if you blame the victim, the fact remains that they're a victim, and harming and exploiting people is wrong.

Nobody has the right to declare another person as being obliged to accomodate their deranged whims and fancies, even if the person being controlled and sexually threatened and intimidated doesn't understand what's happening to them, or object to it. You do not lose your intrisic human dignity when you apply for a job, and all jobs have to be held to some baseline standard of decency. Our homes and economy depend on some common guarantee of tolerable working conditions. Yes, crappy jobs are everywhere, but when a certain line is crossed, not only are individual employees affected, but the general question arises, "How much freedom and power should we give employers?" It's ironic that we often feel so free to criticize the government, as we should, but then we turn around and make excuses for immoral corporations, as though monetary exchange and goods don't partially control our lives (as well as the government).

Namennayo

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> I work for American Apparel. Some of the things that are said about the company (the ridiculous unitards, the sizing that should be for children) I agree with. And fight against on a daily basis. However, there's a lot that goes on here that people don't know about and the court of public opinion seems to hinge it's verdict about the company on Dov alone. There are a lot of people who work here who enjoy it. People who work hard and are glad to be in an environment that isn't afraid of sexuality and allows you to shoot the shit with your boss and use just about any word you can think of. Once the entire story comes about, once the truth about this case surfaces, I hope people will be able to see what's really beneath the surface. We live in a lawsuit culture. Some people do cry wolf. And things aren't always what they seem.

aucharme

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @ninety_nine: I would def. feel uncomfortable at a meeting where my boss was wearing just a cocksock. Or if he were naked. That is sexual harassment. You shouldn't be subject to that in your work environment.

Le Kangourou de Kataroo

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @ninety_nine: Can you please put a sock in it?

Sorry...couldn't help it.

petuniacat

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @hamburgerhotdog: no! no! I didn't say that at all! If it's up to me they can take his company away from him in repairs for a lawsuit, I am really not defending him at all. All I was reacting to at my first comment was the use of the phrase "put up with". I am not defending his actions at all.

@topsy: and rightly so. totally. sue the shit out of him, everyone's is just missing my point completely.

@Pinkosaurus: I'm not saying that at all, not every company that has racy advertising is a shithole for women to work with, but not all companies that have racy advertising feature actual employees shot by the ceo of the company. American Apparel is super different from all other companies and not only because of their sweatshop stuff, but because of the culture and the environment that it "sponsors".

The title of this is "if you go to work for american apparel, can you really expect dov charney to wear clothes?" and the answer is: no, of course you can't. he had some lady give him head while he was being interviewed for a magazine, not wearing pants is the least of the shit he pulls.

ineffable.me

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @topsy: Indeed! I wasn't even aware of this asshole until Jezebel enlightened me, and I am glad that I have never patronized AA (although I didn't live near any until just recently). But a cock sock? I am beside myself-- not only that this kind of pathetic mysogyny is still tolerated, but that we aren't burining effigies of this idiot in the streets.
Who doesn't think this is batshit ridiculous? And the argument that one can work elsewhere doesn't hold water- that kind of cocksockery behavior is not conducive to a proper work environment in any realm, even the sex industry. Grrrrr.

AbbyNormal

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @Kataroo_Kangaroo: I don't think I know any better than you, I, or Moe does about what happened. That's what the trial is for.

Wearing nothing by a sock to a meeting? If it was a group meeting, at best I think it would be, well, gross. But absent any more context, do I think it constitutes harassment? No. I'm not going to pull out (that's an attempt at harassment) my anti-sexist creds; I know ince this is all about validating our indignity more than anything, so spare me the histrionics.

Being naked in front of other people is not rape. It is, often, repugnant, but that is an unfortunate side effect of our socialization. Then again, after a couple years in a gym, I'm beginning to appreciate the side effects of self-loathing.

Is it possible he did harass women? Sure. But this post doesn't provide any evidence. Honestly, I avoided Moe's obsessive posting about AA, but she was an sales associate at a retail outlet, right? Again, you want a job at the AA store on Houston? And you have to walk past their billboard to get there. And then you complain about the atmosphere? What did you think they were in the business of selling?

I've seen Last Night's Pary and the Cobrasnake. Sorry, I don't think the MySpace generation gets to bandy about the tenets of feminism when something randomly offends them. Just more of the sans ideology self interested promotion. Like, maybe, writing about your rape fantasies. This isn't post feminism, it's post humanism.

ninety_nine

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @DorothyZbornak: keyword being "yet"

titania1285

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> I think Dov believes he's the modern day Larry Flint--unwilling to back down on the sleaze because he feels he's within his rights and therefore, he's morally right too. Only he hasn't been shot yet, so he can't work the total martyr thing Larry had at his trial.

DorothyZbornak

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Further to what I would do if my boss walked in wearing a cock sock...I'd ask if that was from the children's line.

topsy

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @Sev: "Cock socking ass trinket" is a fine, fine phrase. I'm thinking I may be able to work it into my vocabulary somehow...

petuniacat

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @ineffable.me: Wow, I don't even know how to respond. If you knew that products you bought were made by children, would it be okay as long as the children didn't mind. I really don't mean this as a personal attack. You're probably right that a lot of the women involved think that it's funny or cool. Which is unspeakably sad. But I feel that as a human being, I have a responsibility to not contribute to human degradation and misery, even if the people who are being degraded are cool with it. And the man is breaking the law. If I was in a meeting and my boss walked in wearing a cock sock...? first of all, I'd laugh in his fucking face. Then I'd go to my desk and call 1)911; 2)my lawyer; 3)the newspapers and Oprah.

topsy

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @ineffable.me: That's just ridiculous. I have a friend that works at Miller corporate and although all their commercials are "Man Laws" and bikini chicks, it is like any other professional office. It is not okay for women to be harassed at work because they knew the advertising was racy.

Pinkosaurus

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @ineffable.me: So it's not fair to expect him to comply with the same rules every other workplace is subject to under the law? He's excempt because congress passed an act that if your haircut is cool enough and your glasses are ironic you're not subject to Title VII?

What's the point of calling yourself sweatshop free and making a big deal about how well you treat your factory workers if you're going to treat your office workers like crap?

hamburgerhotdog

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> My bad gay self wants to turn his ass, forever protecting women from him.

Come to me Dov! Come to me!!

Koreanish

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @hamburgerhotdog: I totally didn't mean that people should get another job because they are being sexually harrassed, but in this case it's different. The whole point of the company is the exploitation of women, basically. I hate that I go and buy leggings there because I'm supporting them, but it's like the whole culture of that entire company, you know? And considering how most of the half-dressed women in his ads are employees, I feel like a lot of people that work there think its funny and cool and totally on edge. I'm not saying that she shouldn't sue or whatever, but saying that people have to "put up" with it while they work there is just naive, because I don't know, what else do you expect?

ineffable.me

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @petuniacat: I really want to call someone a "cock-socking ass-trinket" right now. It makes no sense, and I am perfectly ok with that.

Sev

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @ineffable.me: I disagree. Even though there are other places to work, being in a sexually harassing work environment can be mentally similar to being in an abusive relationship. Women, particularly young women new to the workforce, can be in denial about how inappropriate and stressful it is and we are also in a downturn in the economy which makes it harder for many people to find another well-paying job.

For an adult business owner to think it's okay to walk around with his ass out at work is just impossibly ridiculous.

Pinkosaurus

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Um can someone who has downloaded the documents tell me the case number? I have to do some work near the courts downtown tomorrow, and I totes want to plug it into the calendar and see if I can accidentally wander by!

OverpaidandUnderworked

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @Namennayo: I think he may be a Naturalized citizen -- IIRC, he is originally from Tel Aviv.

langtry

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @Namennayo: He's Canadian.

hamburgerhotdog

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @ineffable.me: I think a lot of people who worked there went because they were lured in by the idea of a progressive company/non-sweatshop -- someplace that is both cool and socially conscious. And wouldn't that be cool if it was true? Instead they got some creepy old dude misappropriating tube socks.

Telling people to get another job because they are being sexually harrassed at their current ones only allows harrassers to continue their disgusting behavior, keeps the status quo, not to mention infers that women don't belong in the workplace and prevents us from ever truly achieving equality. I hope he's taken to the cleaners.

hamburgerhotdog

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> As far as crimes and Dov Charney go (particularly sexual offenses, and then especially against minors), is he an American citizen? If not, would there be any complications regarding criminal charges, trial, and sentencing?

Namennayo

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Jez has now convinced me. I will never buy anything from American Apparel. Ever.

funnyface

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @Jezebelmoe: S'Ok sweetie, I know you're having a tough week. I thought you were doing it for effect, if it makes you feel better.

Hooplehead

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @yidvicious: Yes, yidvicious wins the thread - short, sweet and funny as hell!

langtry

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @NefariousNewt: You know what you are totally right (and I have been very vocal about my issues with Islam and it's treatment of women). I'm convinced that this guy has gotten away with CRIMES that he has committed because he's WHITE. An added bonus is that he chooses to abuse women. Because as we know, nowadays most women won't even leap to another woman's defense. Now if he only he had mistreated some cute puppies or kitties. The hipper than thou love them some animals. I'm just really disgusted that this man has been allowed to get away with his criminal behaviour for so long.

topsy

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @Pinkosaurus: "put up with"? I don't think so. There are other places to work than American Apparel. People that work there think it's cute and funny and progressive or ironic or some bullshit like that.

ineffable.me

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> I stopped buying AA stuff after I saw that ad that said 'panty time' and had a shot of a girls crotch while she's blowing a bubble with her pink gum. And also, it was around the same time that I heard about his sexual harassment suits. The whole thing kills me because it's supposed to be like so progressive since it's sweatshop free

h_a_l

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Wow, you people are touchy! Or perhaps I am especially skilled with the rapid scrolldown.

I fucking hate this smug piece of shit douchebag so much. I really do.

I didn't realize how terrible they were until I came here, though I guess I've always had a resistance to them, because I've never purchased a stitch of their clothing from their site or store. Only inadvertent purchases of a few band t-shirts and one pair of Rebel Girl briefs. I am so glad I've never directly supported this motherfucker, and only have very indirectly done so and very rarely, at that.

I say we go straight-up guerrilla on his ass, tag his ads up in public late at night, create really awesome LOLVogue-esque on AA ads about what a fucker he is and spread them around the internets.

Campaign slogan: Spread The Dov!

SBJ

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @ninety_nine: Seriously? Because you've got some screwed priorities if you'd rather see the wrong thing happen just so it can serve as the catalyst in satisfying your curiosity regarding a Jezebel contributor.

The guy sexually harasses and exploits his employees, and many of them are obviously too young, naive, ignorant, or psychologically unwell to understand this fact. Why take pride in supporting him?

Namennayo

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Just so you know that is not an actual photo of Dov, it is two AA employee's dressed up for Halloween.

JLindsey

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @ninety_nine: Did your manager at McDonald's wear a cock sock when he met with you back in the burger freezer? Because I think the hatred towards Mr. Charney has to do with his sexual harrassment of young people who work for him, his pervy advertisements, and ludicrous clothing and not with Moe's regret (which I seriously doubt she even has) over not having the honor of working for Mr. Charney.

petuniacat

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @braak: haha, the factory is across the street from my job. i would love to park a billboard truck outside of it for a week.

titania1285

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @topsy: Why has this guy been given a pass for so long? Where are the protesters? "

Exactly.

I guess when/if employees complained...

Wait, what happened to that reporter (I think it was actually in the NY Times?!) that he jerked off in front of?

God damn it...this asshole respects labor rights, so to compensate he gets to treat women like shit.

Same with PETA!

God damn...I guess women are always fair game...those whores with their vaginas and breasts...

marie123

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @ninety_nine: Um, you don't think what he did was sexual harassment? Because I believe that's what the case is about. No one should have to sit in a meeting with their boss only wearing a "cock sock." No matter if you work for an assy hipster corporation that admittedly makes some awesome shirts and leggings. That's just not okay.

Le Kangourou de Kataroo

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @tunamelt: Your avatar! Nom nom.

sybann

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @Jezebelmoe: Moe, have a drink. I'll join you.

dirtybee says we bee obama jammin

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Do not like. Can't you at least give a warning and a link?

99centbar

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @Jezebelmoe: You don't have to apologize to me. :) I didn't partake in the Link of Death. Maybe I will after it gets cleared up.

Namennayo

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Is that really him in the picture?

Because there's an AA store right outside my office. I feel like I could just make a bunch of these pictures and pass them out to people who walk by.

braak

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> can i just say i do like and own some of their track t-shirts? and no i don't work for AA.

itchycoo

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Saying that my teenage job working at McDonald's scarred me is overstating it. But jeebus, Moe, can't you find another way to work out regret? LJ posts from co-worker flings and now vicarous harassment trials? Did you ever actually meet Charney?

And not to get all 'just turn it off' but you went into an American Apparel store. And, then you applied. Or is there some secret way you can sneak in the back and apply without knowing what it is like?

I still buy their shirts. And I really hope he wins this trial. Not because I think he deserves praise or might be something other than a self-inflated asswipe, but because I really want to see what you are going to say.

ninety_nine

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> For a second I got really scared and thought that maybe everyone had read all that legalese and was snarking on it. I felt kind of retarded for not wanting to go through it and find the jokes.

Phew.

harperpitt

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @topsy: Agreed. If we were all in agreement of boycotting that crapy band that the ANTM-beater played keyboard in, I think we can all agree to never shop at AA again, no matter how comfy their mis-sized underpants may be.

AlisonAshleigh

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @Jezebelmoe: No prob... it was actually kinda cool...and scary!!!

NefariousNewt

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @topsy: Because it's American Apparel. If it was Islamic Apparel, he'd have been in Gitmo before his clothes hit the floor...

NefariousNewt

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @SharonTaint: @bowlingfordollars: @hooplehead: @dirtybee: @Namennayo: AAAAAAAAAAAH sorry guys. It takes a lot to stress me out. I could explain to you guys how that happened, but it generally comes down to me being a colossal tard.

Moe

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Thank you!

katastic

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> There are def some technical difficulties happening with this post.

collegecallgirl

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @Kataroo_Kangaroo: Jesus, Mary, and Joseph.

And all the other members of the Nativity scene...

NefariousNewt

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> American Apparel is about DEMOCRACY? Well fuck me. All this time I just assumed it was about the desire to screw your 8 year old daughters in the bum....That tricky sneaky billboard that was up in echo park for all those months....damn you dov! damn you!

hollywoodenflames

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Jez, can you take all the capitalized legalese down? It's giving me an aggressive headache.

katastic

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> for a second i thought my computer was hacked.

SharonTaint

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @topsy: I say it's just a matter of time. Someone, somewhere will bring this douche down, and hard.

BowlingForDollars

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> I'm starting to feel glad that my microscopic attention span is keeping me from wading through the illustrious Mr. Charney's alleged offenses. What little I know of him makes my skin crawl.

Hooplehead

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> what in good god......

dirtybee says we bee obama jammin

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Look at that girl's face. It speaks both "Ew," and, "I hope my mom doesn't see this."

Namennayo

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Wait, what are we supposed to be looking at? I've got an enormous column of capitalized legalese on my screen.

kentuckienne

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Why has this guy been given a pass for so long? Where are the protesters? The calls for boycott of American Apparel? Ever since I heard about this asshole's shenanigans I have never even thought about buying anything from AA. But the hipster elite have not only made this guy a gazillionaire, they've made him into some kind of counter-culture hero. I don't get it. He's a sleazy, harasser. He abuses women. Who cares if his ads are cool?

topsy

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> oooh, can we do my bosses next?

titania1285

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> @funnyface: Seriously. Unnecessary.

bitsy boozer

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH

Moe

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> AH jezebel AAAAAAAAH

katastic

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Are these all documents associated with the case? That Dov the Perv is going to lose?

Jesus, Mary, and Joseph.

Le Kangourou de Kataroo

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> I have just managed a satisfying hour in my office doing nothing but this.

tunamelt

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Yeah, seriously. This doesn't make any sense. It looks like a cheap Legal DOS attack.

braak

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> What. The. Fuck...?

tunamelt

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> What the fuck is up with this thing taking up a crapload of screen space on the front page, and in all caps to boot?

funnyface

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> First arse trinket and now cock sock. I can see that this will be a banner day for my vocabulary!

petuniacat

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Whenever I think of cock socks, I think of the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

Pratfallcat

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> I love the statements by Charney's council: "We are glad this frivolous case will be soon behind us."
Right, because sexual harassment in the workplace is the textbook definition of frivolous.

BiscuitDoughJones

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> sadly, my friends working at AmApp will now be back to their old ways of making money..trickin in judy garland parks. thanks, dov.

foree k.

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> "abusive-perv-with-a-heart-of-gold-lame-l..." ha!

And aggressive in-line skater? Is that a metaphor for something, or is she just a really agressive in-line skater? Like roller derby style?

Le Kangourou de Kataroo

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> The look on that girl's face is priceless.

Rome Girl

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> We might need some more details on the "cock sock," I'm afraid. One presumes it was a sweatshop-free cotton/acrylic blend.

tailfeather

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Filthy McNasty.

hortense

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> I enjoy that that nude suit is rubbish.

beastybeatsy

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> In his defense, it was Casual Friday.

yidvicious

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Vomitacious!

Jessica Hussein Lovejoy: BRB, getting Rahm'ed

]]> <![CDATA[If You Go To Work For American Apparel, Can You Really <i>Expect</i> Dov Charney To Wear Clothes?]]> Sofa King Gross. It really burns me that women have to put up with this to make a living and support themselves.

Pinkosaurus

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