Petty though it may be, there’s comfort in watching two celebrities fight. It’s low-stakes drama that you can witness, be entertained by, and feel a part of—all from the safety of your anonymous boring life. There’s no risk of getting your hands dirty because the celebrities involved do not know or care about you. Never has a lack of power felt so good!

On this week’s DirtCast, Megan Reynolds and I welcome Allie Jones, Senior Writer at The Cut (and former Gawker writer) to discuss our favorite celebrity feuds—from Aretha Franklin vs. Dionne Warwick to Ryan Adams’ decade long back-and-forth with The Strokes to Mariah Carey’s famous “I don’t know her” dig at Jennifer Lopez.

Then, as a very special treat, Allie details a celebrity feud that time forgot, but she never did—the 2009 fight that pit screen legend against screen legend, icon against icon, Bonnie of Bonnie and Clyde against Bonnie of a version of Bonnie and Clyde that never got made. Yes, we’re talking about Faye Dunaway vs. Hilary Duff.

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Our show is produced by Levi Sharpe with editorial oversight by Kate Dries. Mandana Mofidi is our Executive Director of Audio. Our theme music is by Stuart Wood. This episode was mixed by Corey Schreppel. Listen to our politics podcast, Big Time Dicks, here.