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    California Woman Claims Her Father Was Zodiac Killer

    Astrology Isn't Bullshit, It's Just Sorta Wrong
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    Image of lalaland13 lalaland13
    04/30/09

    In reply to California Woman Claims Her Father Was Zodiac Killer
    Oh gosh articles like this always send me over to Wikipedia, where I look up stuff on serial killers/pervs and am creeped out the rest of the day. Once I did it with famous child abductions. Somebody stop me, please.
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    Image of Snooties McSnooties Snooties McSnooties
    04/30/09

    @lalaland13: Ever been to the Crime Library website? It's like Wikipedia for serial killers X 100. I mean.. uh.. oh geez, you weirdo! Stop reading about that stuff! (Ugh, I feel you. Why do these things create such morbid curiosity in us?)
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    Image of onestrawplz onestrawplz
    04/30/09

    @Snooties: I'm addicted to the Crime Library, and then of course I get so creeped out and really jumpy for the rest of the day.
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    Image of Zombies make the heart grow fonder Zombies make the heart grow fonder
    04/30/09

    In reply to California Woman Claims Her Father Was Zodiac Killer
    I like how there is a battle to "come out first" with whose father or stepfather is the Zodiac...That just SCREAMS of reliability.
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    Image of midwesternmom midwesternmom
    04/30/09

    In reply to California Woman Claims Her Father Was Zodiac Killer
    When I saw the Anna Nicole Smith connection, my first thought was, "Great, ZsaZsa's crazy old husband is going to try to get credit for this too."
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    Image of hfree hfree
    04/30/09

    In reply to California Woman Claims Her Father Was Zodiac Killer
    I don't know much about the Zodiac killings (okay next to nothing), is there any theory that there were copycat killers? Maybe it is possible that there were multiple murders and her father, as well as the police suspect, was one. But I still don't know why you would come forward now.
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    Image of swimmingly swimmingly
    04/30/09

    In reply to California Woman Claims Her Father Was Zodiac Killer
    Why is she filming a documentary about her life? I want a documentary filmed about my life.
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    Image of spikenard spikenard
    04/30/09

    In reply to California Woman Claims Her Father Was Zodiac Killer
    They did a DNA test and it didn't match to Arthur Leigh Allen, right? Though if he wasn't a serial killer, he was clearly messed up in some other way.


    This woman reminds me of the man that recently found a Zodiac outfit in his late father's belongings, as well as photographs of dead bodies. He also had a phone conversation in which is father had implied that he might be the Zodiac. Does anyone know what happened to him? Last I knew DNA etc was being tested, and those crazies on the Zodiac Killer forum were outraged because it wasn't one of their suspects (all of whom they think are the Zodiac due to 'evidence' like, 'He worked at a newspaper, and the Zodiac liked newspapers').

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    Image of ucelluccia ucelluccia
    04/30/09

    @spikenard: Meh, DNA tests in the late 80's early 90's weren't 100% reliable.
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    Image of spikenard spikenard
    04/30/09

    @ucelluccia: Yeah and as far as I remember they took the DNA off one of the stamps from the letters the Zodiac sent - it sounds dumb, but he could've gotten someone else to lick the stamp.
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    Image of ucelluccia ucelluccia
    04/30/09

    @spikenard: Exactly.
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    Image of Zombies make the heart grow fonder Zombies make the heart grow fonder
    04/30/09

    @spikenard: Yes, DNA in the 80's was not that exact but if it excluded you, it was conclusive. The pool was greater for matches but definitive for exclusions.


    The handwriting analysis was also completely not a match to Allen as were a bunch of other things. Even the lead detective who was dead set that Allen was the Zodiac now believes Allen was not the Zodiac. Considering he knows more about the case than any of us or Graysmith, I am going to go with Allen NOT being the Zodiac.

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    Image of TheUptightMidwesterner TheUptightMidwesterner
    04/30/09

    In reply to California Woman Claims Her Father Was Zodiac Killer
    I read Graysmith's book and I have to say, short of a confession, it is pretty likely that Allen was the killer.
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    Image of PersonalBest PersonalBest
    04/30/09

    @TheUptightMidwesterner is (insert general bitchery here): I think so too.
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    Image of ucelluccia ucelluccia
    04/30/09

    @TheUptightMidwesterner is (insert general bitchery here): *nods*
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    Image of Zombies make the heart grow fonder Zombies make the heart grow fonder
    04/30/09

    @PersonalBest: I saw a recent special where it was conclusive that Allen could not have been the killer because of handwriting not being even slightly close and DNA excluding him.


    I am a big skeptic when it comes to people who write books "solving" crimes.

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    Image of ucelluccia ucelluccia
    04/30/09

    @Zombies make the heart grow fonder: Again, DNA wasn't 100% reliable at the time (not that it is now, but, you know...), and besides, it came from a stamp, not anything actually conclusive. Also, Allen was ambidextrous and there's still argument over whether ambidextrous people's handwriting samples would have matched anyway. Plus, if he was insane (which we'll never know conclusively, but it's one theory), his insanity and stress could have altered his already ambidextrously altered handwriting even more.
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    Image of TheUptightMidwesterner TheUptightMidwesterner
    04/30/09

    @Zombies make the heart grow fonder: I don't think Graysmith ever claimed that it was "solved". It kind of just laid out everything they had and looked at it, and looked at it again..and there it was. DNA evidence, even today, can be degraded to the poitn that it is unreliable within 40 hours of collection. (Not to mention that crimes were solved long before DNA came around, too.)
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    Image of Jello Mix Jello Mix
    04/30/09

    In reply to California Woman Claims Her Father Was Zodiac Killer
    Yeah, well, my mom is Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, AND the Great Pumpkin. Zodiac Killer? Bish, plz.
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    Image of Snowbunny Snowbunny
    04/30/09

    @Jello Mix inspired Little Chocolate Donuts, No. 5: Your mom is the Great Pumpkin? Word.
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    Image of ucelluccia ucelluccia
    04/30/09

    @Jello Mix inspired Little Chocolate Donuts, No. 5: Now, is yr mom the horror-movie-scary Tooth Fairy, or just the regular creepy-scary Tooth Fairy?


    (also, why did I put an 'e' on the end of 'tooth' like three times? ARGH)

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    Image of merv merv
    04/30/09

    In reply to California Woman Claims Her Father Was Zodiac Killer
    I knew real estate agents have been hurting for work but didn't know it was this bad.
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    Image of LolaQuinn is full of beans LolaQuinn is full of beans
    04/30/09

    In reply to California Woman Claims Her Father Was Zodiac Killer
    Shenanigans, Deborah Perez, shenanigans!
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    Image of AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope
    04/30/09

    In reply to California Woman Claims Her Father Was Zodiac Killer
    Well, even if her father wasn't Zodiac, if he did say some of those things to her, it's still royally messed up.


    I wonder if she's trying to be like the guy who thinks his father was the Black Dahlia killer (whose case is far more convincing).

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    Image of margareita metermaid margareita metermaid
    04/30/09

    @AtomiClash is a ball-cutting cybersuccubus: I've read a few different books by people claiming to be the children of/related to the black dahlia killer. NONE were at all convincing, but I'm curious which one you're referring to-- the ones I read were by women.
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    Image of AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope
    04/30/09

    @margareita metermaid: The author's name is Steve Hodel, his father was Dr. George Hodel who was obsessed with Man Ray and may have been involved with Elizabeth Short. It's a pretty convincing theory when you read up on it.
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    Image of hortense hortense
    04/30/09

    In reply to California Woman Claims Her Father Was Zodiac Killer
    "She says she wrote the letter when she was 7 becase she wanted to get help for her father, and that she saw a scrapbook with mementos from more than 30 killings, but she can't find it now."


    Why did it take her 40 years to come forward with this information? Seeing his picture on America's Most Wanted seems like not such a big deal considering she WROTE A ZODIAC LETTER as a child and knew that her dad was killing people. This all seems a bit off to me.

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    Image of rednrowdy rednrowdy
    04/30/09

    @hortense: seeing a scrapbook like that would freak me out at the ages of 10,11,12,13,14...why wait until 40 to report it? also, if your own father is telling you that "he was sick and he killed many, many people", it says more about your own moral compass that you, as a child, tween, teen, whatever, wouldn't say anything about it.
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    Image of merv merv
    04/30/09

    @hortense: furthermore, who misplaces that? seriously?
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    Image of AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope
    04/30/09

    @hortense: Not to mention waiting 27 years after his death to really have a think about it...
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    Image of Sandicomm Sandicomm
    04/30/09

    In reply to California Woman Claims Her Father Was Zodiac Killer
    Uh, that is not something I would want to "set the record straight" about.
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    Image of Ailatan Ailatan
    04/30/09

    @Sandicomm: I agree. Awful all around.
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    Image of Penny Penny
    04/30/09

    In reply to California Woman Claims Her Father Was Zodiac Killer
    Also, if she IS lying....how pathetic and fucked up. If you want to lie about something silly, like sleeping with Mel Gibson, fine. But people are still living with these killings, it's so disrespectful.
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    Image of Sputnik_Sweetheart Sputnik_Sweetheart
    04/30/09

    @Penny Plastic: Not to mention that her father can't defend himself.
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    Image of morninggloria morninggloria
    04/30/09

    In reply to California Woman Claims Her Father Was Zodiac Killer
    People will do anything to be famous these days- have EIGHT babies, have sex on camera, compete for the love of Ray J, prance around in a bikini onstage and consider that licence enough to wax poetic about what is "biblically correct," say your dead dad killed a bunch of people to get publicity for an upcoming documentary...
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    Image of AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope
    04/30/09

    @morninggloria: I had eight babies WHILE having sex on camera. TOP THAT.
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    Image of tinydundie42 tinydundie42
    04/30/09

    @morninggloria: "What is wrong, what is wrong with the world today? Hmm Hmm Hmm Hmm Hmm Hmm Hmm Hmm Hey."
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