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Humane Society Prez Says A Vote For Obama Is A Vote For Animals
New York, 8:34 PM
Mon Nov 30
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11/04/08
/end rant.
11/04/08
I hate to get this angry, but where the hell do people get off thinking farming is simple? Do you think it is something you can learn from tv or a book or the internet in a few hours? Most if not all of the bad press for agriculture in this country is the result of problems within ag being magnified by media scrutiny and farmers refusing to defend themselves. Agriculture as a group is just starting to wake up to the fact that no one knows what we do anymore, and we need to educate consumers. We need to educate and defend before there aren't any of us left.
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Anyway, OSU has produced some amazingly talented farmers, just outstanding.
I guess my proximity (also, some family raise cattle) to the school has made me more aware. I wish others could see it as well.
Well, that and our Tillamook Cheese Factory is like Disney for dairy lovers. Happy Cows do NOT come from California. They live in Oregon :)
11/04/08
I just about wanted to punch them in the face.
I've worked on 5 farms in the past 2 years (2 goat farms right now) and am always amazed by how much my bosses have to, and do, know. I, on the the other hand, am an over-paid apprentice at best.
11/04/08
I'm hoping and praying with all my might that this bill passes. There's just no excuse for torturing animals.
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[whattoeatbook.com]
I'm reading her book right now, incredible.
11/04/08
Most livestock operations - whether they're for cattle, sheep, pigs or chickens - were originally designed to accomodate the animals. Yes, livestock producers are concerned with profits, but they are also concerned about the health and welfare of their animals. Livestock in poor conditions don't yield as well as those in better conditions. It's in the livestock producers' best interests to keep the animals healthy.
I understand that most of you are more concerned with how the animals are raised (even though I think most of those concerns are misguided). You can buy organic and free range. And as the market demands more free range livestock, more will be available. But I think the market should guide this process, not the state.
I also believe (as do many who are opposed to Prop 2) that Prop 2 will hurt California poultry and egg producers. Although producers have until 2015 to implement these changes, they are very costly changes with no payoff for the producer (other than legal compliance). This will increase the price of chicken and eggs, and / or force egg and poultry producers to move their operations.
And one more note: livestock producers are continually improving their operations, many times with the welfare of the animals in mind. Many of the largest slaughterhouses now work with Temple Grandin, an animal rights activist, to design their facilities. If you want to read more about her, here's info:
[www.msnbc.msn.com]
11/04/08
[www.nytimes.com]
The editorial contained the most moving argument I've heard for or against prop 2:
To a California voter still undecided on Proposition 2, we say simply, imagine being confined in the voting booth for life. Would you vote for the right to be able to sit down and turn around and raise your arms?
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Too often, just one side is discussed.
Again, thank you.
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So, to make up for it. I make sure as much meat as possible that I consume was raised and fed humanely.
There is no excuse for the SHITHOLE quality of life these animals have.
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Also if this thread degenerates into "I loove bacon" like all the other animal rights threads, I might get worked up. Don't step to me today, I'll be really edgy until I hear the Prop 2 results.
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I kid; I'm veg
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As for the idea that we should all goo vegan, I don't support that. What one eats in a personal choice, but I hope that people are full educated about the realities of animal farming, good and bad. I get as equally frustrated with people who assume that all animal farms are cesspools of torture and inhumane commodification. Especially here in Canada, where we have pretty strict regulations on farm animal care.
However, there seems to be a major disconnect between people who genuinely just want to see thinking, feeling animals treated with respect and care and those who assume that "radical" "special interest" groups are trying to a) take away their living and b) take away their right to eat meat and animal products. You can care for animals and still have animal farms.
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I tried to tell my mother about factory farming and an undercover investigation I'd recently learned about, mainly because I was so intensely appalled at the fact that these human beings could commit such horrific acts to defenseless animals. She pretty much told me to shush up.
However, she also thinks that cutting meat out of a diet is a monumental task. Easiest thing in the world! At Thanksgiving they can enjoy their carcass while I eat my tofu stirfry. I'm a happy lady.
Better to be informed, I say.
11/04/08
Do you have a good nutritional resource for these issues? Can you share it with me and your mom?
11/04/08
[www.cancerwise.org]
For me at least, I do have to be more careful not just to eat crackers or carrot sticks or something lazy like that - I have to make an effort to eat balanced meals. But that's really just a matter of buying whatever looks nice in the produce section and at least throwing it into a stirfry or soup. I definitely eat a much more healthy diet having cut out meat.
11/04/08
That said- YES ON 2!
A No on 2 person told me that the Prop would help spread Avian Flu if it passed. They're just letting the animals out of their cages! They aren't taking them on a trip to China!
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