I'd argue that the biggest obstacle in the way of Africa's future is actually policies imposed by IFI's like the IMF and WB. Also what exactly is meant by "sound government"? Because all too often that seems like code for embrace neo-liberalism.
@roadrunnerbeepbeep: Sound government is such a nebulous term. A lot of the time what it means is "sound government by our definition, embedded with loans and ill-thought structural adjustment policies" that just leave African countries mired in a cycle of debt.
So thanks for bringing that up. The IFI's role is often unacknowledged by American presidents and that's a real impediment to any kind of honest dialogue.
It's a great speech - frank and honest, yet still inspiring. This is what Obama does well. He relates to people in his way (but without pandering too much), and he's not necessarily shying away from recommending something more on the part of Africans. He took what is still a thorny issue in international politics and I think he dealt with it without being overly condescending. I'm an unabashed Obama fan so maybe I see it differently, but even if it wasn't a perfect speech, it was still pretty great. Way better than anything said by the previous president.
Though I will admit I am blindingly loyal to Obama, I believe that his foreign policy skills are second to none of the past American Presidents. He is such a great speaker with such honesty, and people have to respect that.
The NYT's articles on this stuff all reek of a subtle condescension, but really, what else is new? Obama didn't say anything, in terms of Africans demanding responsibility from fellow Africans, that Ghana hasn't been saying to itself for 50 yrs.
It didn't go down better because he's some "native son" telling us the truth about ourselves. That's utter bullshit. He's as American as apple pie. The very nature of his ascent is emphatically American. Everyone on the continent knows it. The reason why it matters little is because of his own abilities to be layered.
Simply put, it was a successful speech because he acknowledged nuance. He entrenched the usual platitudes and ultimatums in historical truths, truths that few Western leaders have been able to admit on African soil. When he makes the distinction between colonialism, paternalism, pillage and the destruction in the last ten years of Zimbabwe, and he says that the two cannot be conflated, that not every problem can be laid at the hands of the West, his honesty is applauded because he is doing what many world leaders fail to do in discussions with African people--give context, qualify, concede a point, make a delineation.
Obama mentions that the people of his grandfather's village respected his grandfather for being a cook for the British (basically, for having a job that demanded education and came with a small pension) but for most of his grandfather's life he was referred to by the British as "boy." A statement like that resonates with Ghanaians on a level that a myopic journalist fails to understand. It acknowledges the conflict to visualize our humanity that much of the West constantly struggles with and it acknowledges that it is not okay.
@rumpelshowsskin:Until I visited Africa, and spent time with people (rather than just on a photo safari), I was unable to address that conflict (with visualizing the humanity of Africans of all nations) within myself. Once I was able to overcome my lifetime of conditioning, and accept the humanity of the people of Africa, I found my soul there. it's a little shameful to admit that I found a portion of myself that struggled with that concept. I still do not fully understand what it means, but it is, at least, acknowledged.
I wish more Westerners would truly visit Africa and put their cameras down for a moment and sit on the banks of the Niger in the morning. Perhaps this would begin to open up the lines of communication required for everyone to take on their own fair share of the responsibility for themselves and their fellow man.
@TildeMarks: Thanks for your post. It's nice to hear your honesty. I used to agree with your viewpoint about visiting and exposure. But my feelings on the matter are a little different now. I think the change will come less from truly visiting and from changing common conceptions on the psychology of worth.
If a Westerner needs to visit Africa to see that we are people then letting that stand as is validates that terribly misguided position. It almost puts the onus on African countries to "prove" their humanity in a sense and it fails to address the racialized notions of access that were part of causing this problem in the first place.
The majority of the rest of the world has never been to a European or North American country. But somehow they are still able to see that the inhabitants of these lands are people. I think the fact that even conceptualizing Africa as more than just a zoo, where National Geographic takes pretty shots, speaks to how deep and abiding race-based ethnocentrism really goes and how much anti-African brainwashing the rest of the world has really been subjected to =)
@rumpelshowsskin: Really well said. And I think for a lot of people, it's not a problem of understanding the humanity of Africans, but a problem of just understanding what life is like in different African countries.
I live in the U.S. and I've never been to, say, France, but I've talked to people from there, I've talked to lots of people who have traveled or lived there, and I've heard about French culture through so countless books, news articles, etc. I don't have that context for Ghana or for any African country. I read books about the politics and history of different African countries, but it's still difficult for me to clearly conceptualize day-to-day life in any of them. That makes it harder to relate.
@rumpelshowsskin: As always very well put. You should get a star for your comments on these threads. If these are not 'thoughtful', 'insightful', and 'rational' comments, I am not sure what is.
@rumpelshowsskin: I never thought of it that way, and that's why I think discourse is vital to understanding. Thanks for wording your response so thoughtfully. I have more information now to think about and work with. =)
this is true - for all the crap that went on during colonialism, and continues to go on - we'd be a lot better off as africans if our leaders didn't regard their countries as their personal playgrounds....
i'm not excusing the west, because those regimes have pretty much carried on with the nonsense, but africa needs to step up... the citizenry needs to say NO to these uninspired, uninspiring leaders, the era of the 'Big Man' needs to end, today. I am watching Liberia with keen interest, their leader inherited a heeeectic mess, but i reckon she's their salvation. we need more of that - a complete break from the historical norm....
@superwoman: In my opinion the utter arrogance of our leaders and their propensity to use what should be their citizens' money as their personal pocket change speaks to an upper-class sense of entitlement and paternalism towards the rural and working classes that is rarely spoken about. It's from the same disturbing school of thought that purports that what African countries need are "benevolent dictators." Africa does need to step up but it won't happen until there's an acknowledgement that the so-called educated elite, has often, internalized a huge degree of self-hate and makes a clear distinction between their interests and the interests of the rest of the people. The citizenry needs to realize that the power is in the hands of the people, that Western education (while necessary) is not a substitute for empathy or honesty, and that most importantly peace and prosperity should be valued above fake populism.
I have such high hopes for Liberia. My cousins came to live with us after they fled the civil war there and all of them still have acute PTSD. I agree Johnson-Sirleaf might be the best bet they have. If she can pull off the type of rebound Kagame has been able to I will fax her my first-born kid =)
"It is unethical to use human life...to advance science."
So clinical trials are unethical? Case studies? Surveys? Censuses? Autopsies? All those nights and weekends of my young human life I've sacrificed while working on prostate cancer are unethical? Good to know!
Newsflash: human life is always going to be used to advance science, just as it always has been.
Oohhhh, but he should have done it his FIRST WEEK IN OFFICE!! He is not making good on his promises from the campaign trail! Annnnnnd he said that every Democrat will have a beachside home and a pony, I FEEL BETRAYED!!! IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH!!
I (and my stepmother, who was diagnosed with Parkinsons in her early 40s) am SOO GLAD about this.
For those of you with concerns about the embryos, it said in the NPR article I read this morning that the lady whose embryo it is has to give permission for the embryo to be used for science.
"Today's news that President Obama will open the door to direct taxpayer funds for embryonic stem cell research that encourages the destruction of human embryos is a slap in the face to Americans who believe in the dignity of all human life," Perkins says, "It is unethical to use human life, even young embryonic life, to advance science."
This is probably a guy who supports the illegal use of chimps in research. I watched about 3 minutes of an undercover video about chimps in labs sent by the Humane Society the other day. I couldn't get the sound to work, but still almost wept. It was AWFUL. So, seriously, Mr. Perkins? Really? An embryo?
"But if he decides that embryos that have already been created and are going to be discarded are the ones that would be used, that would be reasonable as well. These things exist and are going to be discarded. It's really mind-boggling to me these things are going to be discarded and scientists haven't been allowed to use them to do research."
And that is what really confused me--embryos that will be discarded couldn't be used for research? What did Mr. Bush propose, giving them a proper burial?
@LadySoprano is a Fat-Fighting Superwoman: No burial, just throw them out. Yes, that's the way we've been doing it: unused embryos from fertility clinics had to be thrown out/destroyed so scientists couldn't get their evil heathen hands on them to, you know, try to help people. We had to destroy the village in order to save it!
@kelsium: The original 10 are for suckers, apparently. And @greengrey: lives are only valued when women are trying to maintain some aspect of control over them. Duh.
@Raspberry Squirrely: @Raspberry Squirrely: I figured this guy must be supporting the use of animals, though, because you know, who cares if a chimp is locked in a tiny cage in some dismal lab, right?
"But it's TOTALLY ethical to use human life to impose our way of life upon nations that don't want it? Oh, okay. Gotcha."
That is not really a good analogy.
Should we stay out of Darfur or even Afghanistan where people are being killed, raped and beaten by the hundreds, and just mind our own business and not impose our democratic ways on them.
@checkyaself: You said the magic word. IMPOSE. Think about that. I didn't say stay out and don't help. I said stop trying to make other countries into America Jr, when we're barely keeping it together as it is. You missed the point, being that embryonic life should not be valued more highly than life that's already here, and breathing, and trying to survive. Thanks for playing, though.
And yes, if these religious wing nuts ever knew some of things science has had to do to get to where we are, their heads would explode. Amazing how science gets the shaft from these folks all the time. Such non-Christian rhetoric from so-called Christians pisses me off.
Then I read this and realize, those of us who are willing to discuss rationally are all alright
@MissFiFi: Wow, I love this. I hadn't seen it before.
Something that has always weirded me out is this whole "god's will" thing. God's will (if you believe in such a thing) created humans and all the capacity to reason that humans have. So how are the fruits of science, or anything used to fuel scientific research, in defiance of god's will?
@MissFiFi: I haven't seen that either! I consider myself to be a pretty faithful Christian (faithful and religious are separate in my mind. They may overlap, but they often don't) but still grumbled as I read that, because it's absolutely true and completely ridiculous.
@prestocaro love/hates her kettlebell: WOULD YOUR WHORING HEATHEN ASS JUST STOP QUESTIONING THE WILL OF GOD ALREADY?! Goodness. Thinkin' folk have no place around these parts! ;)
It was one of those things we discussed when we were told we'd have to have IVF to have children - what would we do if we had any leftover embryos. I'm glad this has come to pass even if I'm not directly affected (not being in the US and all).
Does anyone else feel like the last eight years were some kind of bad waking dream, and now the inmates are back in the asylum, and the people with common sense are back in charge?
Every single time that the President comes out and makes some announcement like this -- and frankly, for a while there, it was at happening like once a day -- I get this little shock of: "Of course! And why not?" And such deep pleasure. Followed by such deep sorrow that someone even has to say this stuff.
I didn't even realize I was doing it until Obama was in office and I found myself physically shrinking in on myself whenever the phrase "Today the President" came up in a news broadcast. And then I would go, "Hey! It's a different President!"
I honestly refer to him as "the President" or "President Obama" over just "Obama" quite purposely, because it makes me so happy to say it. And it makes me so happy to give that kind of respect and honor to a man who so clearly deserves it.
@ellaesther: I am honestly starting to block out things that happened. Like, the other day the C.E.O. of Blackwater resigned and I was like "What is Blackwater?" And then I remembered. But I have hope that when the economy recovers and everything is back to normal, I really will block it out.
@prestocaro love/hates her kettlebell: Yeah, I spent some time with my (liberal) grandparents who live in Alabama. The weather was nice, but it was nice to crawl back into my own little northeastern bubble.
@Eeva: Oh, I do hope that you are right. Given the little dance he broke out with Michelle the other day, I think he has great capacity for goofiness. I like to think that on that first night in the White House, they fell back on the bed and could not stop giggling.
@prestocaro love/hates her kettlebell: I know.... And I actually see some of the inmates on the lovely Rachel Maddow's program on the TV machine nearly every night, so, really, I guess I'm just glad they're not running the place anymore. I'll take that as a start.
@trianaorpheus: I hate to say it, but fight the urge, sister, and tell your kids (or anyone in the next generation for whom you harbor love) alllll about it. My biggest fear is not that we can't be salvaged now (though I will admit that that is a fear I have), but that the lessons will be lost and our grandchildren will be fighting to restore the Constitution again someday.
I'm ecstatic about this. My baby was a frozen embryo for eight months, and we may have frozen embryos left over after we're done having children. If that's the case, I hope they can be used to help scientists find cures for these awful diseases, rather than just being discarded.
@Maritsa: It makes me really happy to hear this from someone who has that experience. Is it hard to look at your baby and think "you were a frozen embryo once; you might have been discarded"? I guess what I mean is, is it hard to separate between the very real, warm, wonderful life that she is, and the potential for life that she once was?
@Maritsa: I feel like generous is a really inappropriate word, but that's the only one I can think of. That is a really *generous* thing to do. To give up what could be life in order to save someone else's. It's like embryonic Sophie's Choice. You're amazing.
@ellaesther: It might be weird, but it really isn't hard for me to separate them. Maybe because at one point we had five "viable" embryos, and we only got one baby out of it.
Not every embryo - or even most - will turn into a baby. To me there's not much difference between an unfertilized egg and an embryo. I know the difference scientifically - but there's just soooo much that has to go right for the embryo to turn into an actual baby.
And to your point above, yes I feel like I'm waking from a bad dream. Although when I listen to NPR and hear things like "The White House said today..." I still reflexively cringe, expecting some stupidity. Then I remember Obama is president, and I feel much better.
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So thanks for bringing that up. The IFI's role is often unacknowledged by American presidents and that's a real impediment to any kind of honest dialogue.
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It didn't go down better because he's some "native son" telling us the truth about ourselves. That's utter bullshit. He's as American as apple pie. The very nature of his ascent is emphatically American. Everyone on the continent knows it. The reason why it matters little is because of his own abilities to be layered.
Simply put, it was a successful speech because he acknowledged nuance. He entrenched the usual platitudes and ultimatums in historical truths, truths that few Western leaders have been able to admit on African soil. When he makes the distinction between colonialism, paternalism, pillage and the destruction in the last ten years of Zimbabwe, and he says that the two cannot be conflated, that not every problem can be laid at the hands of the West, his honesty is applauded because he is doing what many world leaders fail to do in discussions with African people--give context, qualify, concede a point, make a delineation.
Obama mentions that the people of his grandfather's village respected his grandfather for being a cook for the British (basically, for having a job that demanded education and came with a small pension) but for most of his grandfather's life he was referred to by the British as "boy." A statement like that resonates with Ghanaians on a level that a myopic journalist fails to understand. It acknowledges the conflict to visualize our humanity that much of the West constantly struggles with and it acknowledges that it is not okay.
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I wish more Westerners would truly visit Africa and put their cameras down for a moment and sit on the banks of the Niger in the morning. Perhaps this would begin to open up the lines of communication required for everyone to take on their own fair share of the responsibility for themselves and their fellow man.
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If a Westerner needs to visit Africa to see that we are people then letting that stand as is validates that terribly misguided position. It almost puts the onus on African countries to "prove" their humanity in a sense and it fails to address the racialized notions of access that were part of causing this problem in the first place.
The majority of the rest of the world has never been to a European or North American country. But somehow they are still able to see that the inhabitants of these lands are people. I think the fact that even conceptualizing Africa as more than just a zoo, where National Geographic takes pretty shots, speaks to how deep and abiding race-based ethnocentrism really goes and how much anti-African brainwashing the rest of the world has really been subjected to =)
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I live in the U.S. and I've never been to, say, France, but I've talked to people from there, I've talked to lots of people who have traveled or lived there, and I've heard about French culture through so countless books, news articles, etc. I don't have that context for Ghana or for any African country. I read books about the politics and history of different African countries, but it's still difficult for me to clearly conceptualize day-to-day life in any of them. That makes it harder to relate.
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i'm not excusing the west, because those regimes have pretty much carried on with the nonsense, but africa needs to step up... the citizenry needs to say NO to these uninspired, uninspiring leaders, the era of the 'Big Man' needs to end, today. I am watching Liberia with keen interest, their leader inherited a heeeectic mess, but i reckon she's their salvation. we need more of that - a complete break from the historical norm....
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I have such high hopes for Liberia. My cousins came to live with us after they fled the civil war there and all of them still have acute PTSD. I agree Johnson-Sirleaf might be the best bet they have. If she can pull off the type of rebound Kagame has been able to I will fax her my first-born kid =)
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So clinical trials are unethical? Case studies? Surveys? Censuses? Autopsies? All those nights and weekends of my young human life I've sacrificed while working on prostate cancer are unethical? Good to know!
Newsflash: human life is always going to be used to advance science, just as it always has been.
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/snark
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For those of you with concerns about the embryos, it said in the NPR article I read this morning that the lady whose embryo it is has to give permission for the embryo to be used for science.
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This is probably a guy who supports the illegal use of chimps in research. I watched about 3 minutes of an undercover video about chimps in labs sent by the Humane Society the other day. I couldn't get the sound to work, but still almost wept. It was AWFUL. So, seriously, Mr. Perkins? Really? An embryo?
"But if he decides that embryos that have already been created and are going to be discarded are the ones that would be used, that would be reasonable as well. These things exist and are going to be discarded. It's really mind-boggling to me these things are going to be discarded and scientists haven't been allowed to use them to do research."
And that is what really confused me--embryos that will be discarded couldn't be used for research? What did Mr. Bush propose, giving them a proper burial?
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Good riddance to madness.
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But it's TOTALLY ethical to use human life to impose our way of life upon nations that don't want it? Oh, okay. Gotcha.
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"But it's TOTALLY ethical to use human life to impose our way of life upon nations that don't want it? Oh, okay. Gotcha."
That is not really a good analogy.
Should we stay out of Darfur or even Afghanistan where people are being killed, raped and beaten by the hundreds, and just mind our own business and not impose our democratic ways on them.
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And yes, if these religious wing nuts ever knew some of things science has had to do to get to where we are, their heads would explode. Amazing how science gets the shaft from these folks all the time. Such non-Christian rhetoric from so-called Christians pisses me off.
Then I read this and realize, those of us who are willing to discuss rationally are all alright
[www.evilbible.com]
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Something that has always weirded me out is this whole "god's will" thing. God's will (if you believe in such a thing) created humans and all the capacity to reason that humans have. So how are the fruits of science, or anything used to fuel scientific research, in defiance of god's will?
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@prestocaro love/hates her kettlebell: WOULD YOUR WHORING HEATHEN ASS JUST STOP QUESTIONING THE WILL OF GOD ALREADY?! Goodness. Thinkin' folk have no place around these parts! ;)
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Every single time that the President comes out and makes some announcement like this -- and frankly, for a while there, it was at happening like once a day -- I get this little shock of: "Of course! And why not?" And such deep pleasure. Followed by such deep sorrow that someone even has to say this stuff.
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"What has two black thumbs and is the motherfucking POTUS? This moi!"
I like to think so.
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I didn't even realize I was doing it until Obama was in office and I found myself physically shrinking in on myself whenever the phrase "Today the President" came up in a news broadcast. And then I would go, "Hey! It's a different President!"
I honestly refer to him as "the President" or "President Obama" over just "Obama" quite purposely, because it makes me so happy to say it. And it makes me so happy to give that kind of respect and honor to a man who so clearly deserves it.
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.... You think I'm kidding. I'm not.
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@prestocaro love/hates her kettlebell: I know.... And I actually see some of the inmates on the lovely Rachel Maddow's program on the TV machine nearly every night, so, really, I guess I'm just glad they're not running the place anymore. I'll take that as a start.
@trianaorpheus: I hate to say it, but fight the urge, sister, and tell your kids (or anyone in the next generation for whom you harbor love) alllll about it. My biggest fear is not that we can't be salvaged now (though I will admit that that is a fear I have), but that the lessons will be lost and our grandchildren will be fighting to restore the Constitution again someday.
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Not every embryo - or even most - will turn into a baby. To me there's not much difference between an unfertilized egg and an embryo. I know the difference scientifically - but there's just soooo much that has to go right for the embryo to turn into an actual baby.
And to your point above, yes I feel like I'm waking from a bad dream. Although when I listen to NPR and hear things like "The White House said today..." I still reflexively cringe, expecting some stupidity. Then I remember Obama is president, and I feel much better.
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