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    Image of Uncle_Billy_Slumming Uncle_Billy_Slumming
    10/28/09

    In reply to She Said/She Said: Joyce Maynard's Daughter Takes 'Modern Love' Revenge
    A literary mansion has been built upon the crumbly rock of having shtupped J.D Salinger back in the 70's, J.D. Salinger's fame itself arising mostly from the use of initials, the "neg," and the deployment of the word "fuck."? #joycemaynard
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    10/28/09

    In reply to She Said/She Said: Joyce Maynard's Daughter Takes 'Modern Love' Revenge
    I went to boarding school with this girl and a friend of mine called me when the Modern Love came out to tell me it was about her. She was a very mellow, chill girl and I think it's evident from her response that she is used to dealing with this from her mother and doesn't really let her mother faze her too much. Good for her, I would completely freak out if this was my mother. #joycemaynard
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    Image of PaintedTrollop PaintedTrollop
    10/27/09

    In reply to She Said/She Said: Joyce Maynard's Daughter Takes 'Modern Love' Revenge
    I knew Joyce Maynard years ago, and found her to be ...odd? Maybe disturbed is a better adjective. She creeped me out big time. #joycemaynard
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    10/27/09

    In reply to She Said/She Said: Joyce Maynard's Daughter Takes 'Modern Love' Revenge
    Am I mistaken in thinking that BREAKING INTO someone's e-mail account is fucking unforgivable and possibly criminal?

    Also, this: "When I was very young, my mother read my diary. And though I loved my mother, I don’t think I ever forgave her." So, the exact thing happened to her, she felt violated and then she did it to her own daughter?

    Wow. Just, wow. That is a level of emotional retardation that is really hard to beat. #joycemaynard
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    Image of VirginiaDentata VirginiaDentata
    10/28/09

    @GirlCat: I agree. I hate when people like this use their "art/craft" to justify things which are really unjustifiable. And what about the boyfriend? Did she ask his permission to tell some intensely private things? Fuck this woman. Her talent does not make her any better than Octomom or the people from Rock of Love.
    God I can't wait for these overharers to go away. #joycemaynard
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    10/27/09

    In reply to She Said/She Said: Joyce Maynard's Daughter Takes 'Modern Love' Revenge
    Does it seem to any one else that most memoir writer types are raging narcissists as a rule? And golly don't those types just make the BEST parents...(snort). #joycemaynard
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    Image of doodley is not amused doodley is not amused
    10/27/09

    In reply to She Said/She Said: Joyce Maynard's Daughter Takes 'Modern Love' Revenge
    Dear Oversharing Blogging Parents:

    You may want to pay close attention. This is your future.

    Yours,
    Doodley #joycemaynard
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    Image of Flackette Goes Retro Flackette Goes Retro
    10/27/09

    In reply to She Said/She Said: Joyce Maynard's Daughter Takes 'Modern Love' Revenge
    And I thought my mom joining Facebook was bad. #joycemaynard
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    10/27/09

    In reply to She Said/She Said: Joyce Maynard's Daughter Takes 'Modern Love' Revenge
    As the daughter of two writers, I should point out here that this isn't typical. It probably is, though, of writers who write compulsively about their own first-person.

    As the daughter of an editor and a writer, ditto. Though I did learn that stories are different based on the teller due to my extended family's entirely different version of.... everything in our entire family. #joycemaynard
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    10/27/09

    @judgingamy: I've always called mine the Rashomon family. #joycemaynard
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    Image of Hiroine Protagonist Hiroine Protagonist
    10/27/09

    In reply to She Said/She Said: Joyce Maynard's Daughter Takes 'Modern Love' Revenge
    Does Joyce Maynard still think she's Holden Caufield? #joycemaynard
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    10/27/09

    @Hiroine Protagonist: I've never read the infamous stuff about Salinger, but a few years ago I'm pretty sure I read an essay she wrote (in Vogue, maybe?) about getting romantically involved with a guy in prison and it was just creepy as hell, not least because it seemed like she was inches away from moving him into the house with her children before even checking what he was convicted of (hint: not what he told her!). It was just so superior and smarmy and self-centered, yet un-self-aware it made my skin crawl. Before that, I'd read some things that suggested maybe people unfairly didn't like her because she got access to Salinger when important literary people didn't, or because she exposed some less-than-charming qualities about the man, but that essay put me squarely in the "Yuck, Joyce Maynard," category. #joycemaynard
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    Image of adiam7 adiam7
    10/27/09

    In reply to She Said/She Said: Joyce Maynard's Daughter Takes 'Modern Love' Revenge
    Dear Aud,
    Momma has the New York Times biting. It's about you. I wrote it but it's about you. I also made you. You wouldn't have to go through this if I weren't the one that gave you life. Then again if I didn't give you life you wouldn't be alive. Let me know when you come over on Sunday, lets say ten-ish? #joycemaynard
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    10/27/09

    @adiam7: Also, speaking of biting, two words: overbite, braces. Looking forward to seeing your lovely smile, which I paid for, and also made, out of my body, Mom. #joycemaynard
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    Image of theCrippleCricket theCrippleCricket
    10/28/09

    @MissNormaDesmond: Every birthday, my mother would call me to scream/wail/moan/swear into the phone reinacting my birth. All 37 hours worth. At the end, I'd have to send her a card and gift, and expressly thank her for having me and being so generous with her time and DNA.

    That braces comment, seriously, has been uttered by her. It was like deja vu to read it, hehe. #joycemaynard
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    Image of VirginiaDentata VirginiaDentata
    10/28/09

    @theCrippleCricket: That is astounding. Do you call her on her birthday and do an impression of your grandma in labor? #joycemaynard
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    10/28/09

    @VirginiaDentata: I'd call her on her birthday and do an impression of her dying by strangulation if she ever called me on my birthday again. #joycemaynard
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    Image of theCrippleCricket theCrippleCricket
    10/29/09

    @VirginiaDentata: Hehe no, my grandmother would've probably thrown a vase scarlet o'hara style at her head if she knew mom acted like that. 'Such things were just not done!' and all that.

    Now that I think of it, it's a very messed up, Gilmore girls type relationship, with the sad additions of bipolar disorders and bad choices to make it far, far less funny. #joycemaynard
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    Image of Zombie Ms. Skittles Zombie Ms. Skittles
    10/27/09

    In reply to She Said/She Said: Joyce Maynard's Daughter Takes 'Modern Love' Revenge
    I like that Joyce Maynard and my father apparently went to the same school of correspondence. #joycemaynard
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    Image of Steve Holt's Mother Part Deux Steve Holt's Mother Part Deux
    10/27/09

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: My mother-in-law too. Viva la holiday's! #joycemaynard
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    10/27/09

    @Steve Holt's Mother Part Deux: "Here's a favor I'd like to ask of you, and oh by the way, here's all the reasons that you OWE IT TO ME! Love you!" #joycemaynard
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    Image of Steve Holt's Mother Part Deux Steve Holt's Mother Part Deux
    10/27/09

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: I just got chills. Try this: "I need you to cook for Thanksgiving at my condo because I hate to cook, and I need you to invite everyone who is close to you because I need to be close to you because I feel that you don't share enough with me. I need you to share. So, if that doesn't work for you I will have to tell all of your husband's family how disappointed I am that you wouldn't let me host Thanksgiving. Love you Sweetie!!!!!!"
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    Image of Zombie Ms. Skittles Zombie Ms. Skittles
    10/27/09

    @Steve Holt's Mother Part Deux: Okay, how about this paraphrase?

    "Hey, I know you're angry at me because of stuff that is TOTALLY NOT MY FAULT but remember those bedtime stories I used to tell you as a kid? What were those about? I'm thinking of trying to write a children's book." #joycemaynard
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    10/27/09

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: Ye gads. The only thing that would make it better would be, "And we can write the book together! And then there will be excerpts of 'our' book in the N.Y.T.! You'd better put your thinking cap on before you ruin my life and extinguish my dreams!" #joycemaynard
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    10/27/09

    @Steve Holt's Mother Part Deux: Haha. I'm half suspecting that he'll want me to illustrate it, actually. I'm not even getting into the typewritten letter that his new wife "wrote" me and he "doesn't know about" even though it came in a box with his handwriting on it. Apparently, I am a moron. #joycemaynard
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    10/27/09

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: May (insert your deity of choice here) protect us from passive aggressive over-sharers! Especially with all of the holiday gatherings coming up. Is October too early to start drinking? #joycemaynard
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    Image of KikiCanuck KikiCanuck
    10/27/09

    In reply to She Said/She Said: Joyce Maynard's Daughter Takes 'Modern Love' Revenge
    Never, not even at tax time, have I been happier that my Mom is an accountant.

    Maynard's essay is most interesting as a snapshot of the thinking that led her to violate the trust of someone she loved, and then to write about it with herself as the protagonist. #joycemaynard
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    Image of midwesternmom midwesternmom
    10/27/09

    In reply to She Said/She Said: Joyce Maynard's Daughter Takes 'Modern Love' Revenge
    What about the man at the heart of this essay, the Haitian man who tested positive for HIV? He is pretty clearly identified by his girlfriend, by the travels they took together, by the clinic he used for treatment. Anyone think he is entitled to a vote before this personal detail of his life is published? Or is he a background character in the ongoing power struggle between this mother and daughter? #joycemaynard
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    Image of eleanorstrousers eleanorstrousers
    10/27/09

    @midwesternmom: I've heard the editor of Modern Love speak about the column. Due to the rules of journalism, they have to use real names and whatnot. It's up to he authors to decide if they are ok with publishing, but generally subjects are contacted. #joycemaynard
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    Image of Rooo sez BISH PLZ Rooo sez BISH PLZ
    10/27/09

    @midwesternmom: He's a background character, of course. /sarcasm

    Don't get me started about politics and privilege.
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    Image of whynotshesaid whynotshesaid
    10/27/09

    In reply to She Said/She Said: Joyce Maynard's Daughter Takes 'Modern Love' Revenge
    Ayelet Waldman, take note! #joycemaynard
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    Image of Awestruck Awestruck
    10/27/09

    @whynotshesaid: Oh, boo!

    1. Ayelet Waldman is primarily a fiction writer, occasionally an essayist. She's written a lot of, shall we say, indiscreet things about her family, but she's definitely not on the Joyce Maynard level, for one thing because...

    2. That Chabon money should last a while! I don't think she'll be this desperate for press. #joycemaynard
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    10/27/09

    @Awestruck: Well, I was thinking more along the lines of her Bad Mommy book and her essays about her sex life and parenting. She wrote a Modern Love piece, too, didn't she? #joycemaynard
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    10/27/09

    @whynotshesaid: For whatever reason, I think better of Waldman than Maynard, probably because Waldman is vastly more talented. #joycemaynard
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    10/27/09

    @Awestruck: I agree. Plus, she was super-charming when Terri Gross interviewed her on NPR. I will probably even read her book, so I guess I understand the inclination to defend her.

    But still. #joycemaynard
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    Image of MissNormaDesmond MissNormaDesmond
    10/27/09

    @Awestruck: She wrote a column for Salon until she'd amassed enough embarrassing revelations that I imagine her family probably begged her to stop. #joycemaynard
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    Image of georgina georgina
    10/27/09

    In reply to She Said/She Said: Joyce Maynard's Daughter Takes 'Modern Love' Revenge
    Ahh yes, the literary version of Lohan-style communication. I'm going to guess it is about as effective (and healthy) as communicating via Twitter & Inside Edition. #joycemaynard
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    10/27/09

    @georgina: Brilliant. #joycemaynard
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    10/27/09

    @georgina: I was going to go for Tori / Candy Spelling, but the idea is the same. #joycemaynard
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