It's sad when I start getting anxious that soon it will be dark when I leave work at 5pm. This means I will spend my lunch breaks getting errands done rather than eating lunch because I don't like to run to even to Wal-Mart by myself after dark. I find that guys who are in a relationship or who grew up with sisters and/or a lot of female relatives around are most understanding of this habit. Luckily for me, my husband is more than willing to accompany me when I ask. It just pisses me off that I do. #eveensler
I remember, on another forum, a guy finally "getting" some aspect of what it's like for women after he read a thread about how, for most women, you have to constantly watch your back. Be vigilant. Aware. On guard. Map our different escape routes. Treat every stranger as a potential thread, especially at night or when you're on your own. Having to worry about being alone in an elevator with someone, making sure no one is behind you as you go into your car or front door...etc. He was appalled. It had clearly never occurred to him before.
I can't really imagine it, but man, I would like to. I take nighttime walks because really, it's my only option. And I live in a nice neighborhood, other pedestrians, etc. But I still keep my ipod turned down so I can hear people behind me. I stop randomly and look behind me, keep a light in my pocket, watch dark shadows, and don't get too close to the bushes.
I live in a college area so there are usually people around, but sometimes they're drunk people and that's not too much fun. I hate having to feel like I'm risking my safety just by walking around the block a few times for fitness. #eveensler
@tiredfairy: Actually, I'm female and I've never done any of that stuff, and most of the women I've talked to--on forums online and in real life--have never done it either. I mean, most elevators have cameras in them...and is there really going to be time for a guy to rape you in them? #eveensler
@Sadako: Uhm, yes. I worked in NYC for years, you have to be careful. And my mother taught me to trust my instincts so if I don't like a situation, I leave. Such as the elevatory.
Did you read any of the other comments on this thread? Most of the women here have this issue. And I think most women do think about this, unless they're deluding themselves or clueless about the lack of safety precautions in most places.
I'm not saying it's not something you don't personally worry about, but that viewpoint is the exceptions. Most women, especially living alone, do have to watch out for their safety on a regular basis. #eveensler
@tiredfairy: I live in NYC too, and I've polled other people, and nowhere other than on this site have I found this attitude. Which is interesting because I think that it tends to be something that a patriarchy drums into women to make them unsure of themselves. In actuality, the city is safer than it's ever been with very few violent crimes. #eveensler
I would love it, then, if some of you science Jezzies would start working on some of that telemere-lengthening stuff for Eve.
'Cause I love her, but if that's her mission? With what I've been reading around here (and of course, not just here) lately, it's looking like it's gonna be awhile. #eveensler
I'm glad there are strong women out there that are fighting to end violence against women and raise awareness. I just wish more men would jump in too. The other night I was walking to my apartment and was about twenty feet behind this women, walking to hers. All of a sudden she just bolted around a corner. I freaked, because I couldn't figure out what she was running from and if I should be scared or not. Then I realized that I must have been walking too close to her and that we were the only people in the parking lot. She was running from me. It saddens me that we live in a world where women have to live in fear for their lives, even walking from their car to their door. #eveensler
@CurtCole: Oh gosh, that happened to me once. I was walking out to the parking garage after a late night at the library and felt like the guy behind me was following me. I ducked behind a concrete pillar, pulled out my mace, and jumped back out ninja style.
I had dropped my id and he was trying to catch up with me. I almost gave him a heart attack when I jumped out with my mace raring to go--thank god I didn't fire. #eveensler
@curiousgeorgiana: Your reaction is totally understandable though! I felt awful for scaring that woman. I wanted to scream, "Wait, I'm a feminist!" as ridiculous as that would be. Not only does there need to be more done to end violence against women, there also needs to be cultural training in how not to freak women out in public. Needless to say, I've learned my lesson.
@curiousgeorgiana: I am scared anytime I am alone in parking garages with just one other man that I don't know.
It is insane to actually think about all the precautions that I take on a daily basis out of fear. It becomes such a part of daily life that when I actually think about how many times I make an "escape route" for myself, it's sad.
@CurtCole: My husband feels that way, and I'm glad to see it's not uncommon. Mostly because I've heard other guys who say they're feminists become -irate- that a woman walked faster or crossed the street when they saw them because it hurt their feelings. One friend even told me he deliberately starting following a woman who did that closer, because who did she think she was, why would she assume someone might want to rape her? I gave him the biggest diatribe on not being an ass you can imagine. She assumed that because women actually do have to worry about it. You're a stranger, end of story. #eveensler
@tiredfairy: Exactly! The fact that he would deliberately walk closer behind her speaks volumes about how much further men have to go before they can understand and respect women in our society (and I don't exclude myself from that statement, I learn something new everyday.) #eveensler
@CurtCole: Shit, that happened to me once, I didn't realize that with my headphones and hoodie during winter how menacing I might have appeared. The girl turned back and I suddenly got all Deer in headlights and I didn't know how to assure her that I wasn't a rapist and I thought a smile might work.
It might have made things worse.
I feel like a dick and now I try to be super aware of space and body language. #eveensler
I got a shiver at the idea of not having to map out serpentine routes through different neighborhoods on my commute home so as to ditch some dude who decided to follow me, which happens about once a quarter.
@howdybeep (runs with monkey wrenches): While in the car with my boyfriend last weekend, I used one of my "emergency" routes to avoid a traffic accident. He said "How did you know about this way?" He sat in silence for the rest of the ride when I told him that I had about 3 alternate routes for all of my common trips. He would never think to do that-- he wouldn't have too. #eveensler
@curiousgeorgiana: The Dude didn't believe that it was such a big deal until we were caravaning across town one day and in the middle of the trip, a guy decided to follow me. He said it was unnerving watching a car pull up along side me at a light, and then drop back behind me once traffic started flowing, cut off the car behind him (which was the Dude) and copy my every move for ten minutes.
When I pulled into the parking lot of the restaurant, I heard this "WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING, MAN?" from the Dude. The guy tried to claim we were together, and then said the Dude was lying about our marital status, and then fried to pass it off as the Dude being hostile, that he wasn't doin' nuthin', and besides, that girl is ugly, anyway.
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I didn't realize just how much he did until he died. I couldn't get back to sleep last night, so I got online and saw that he was gone. Turned on TV and saw Brian Williams talking to MSNBC by phone about Ted. Live, at 2 a.m. They also woke up Keith Olbermann and a bunch of others.
I know there is plenty to criticize in his personal life, but he got shit done. I'd rather have a deeply flawed man who gets stuff done than a very nice one who can't do anything. Although nowadays, there seem to be more and more assholes who get nothing done, like the worst of both worlds.
I'm not going to bring up his death with any family members, as the odds are excellent that they will mention Chappaquiddick.
When I heard last night, I poured myself a small glass of whiskey and toasted Teddy, and then I started to cry. I hadn't expected to react that way, because, of course, his death wasn't unexpected. But I'll admit, in the back of mind I assumed he would hold on until the health care bill was passed because he was such a stubborn son of a bitch.
I was thinking about his eulogy of Bobby, the end anyway: My brother need not be idealized, or enlarged in death beyond what he was in life, to be remembered simply as a good and decent man, who saw wrong and tried to right it, saw suffering and tried to heal it, saw war and tried to stop it.
I'm not sure Teddy was always a good and decent man--he made a few, as he himself said, indefensible mistakes--but he became one, and we don't need to forget his early failings to celebrate the things he did to help those Americans most in need of it.
And not for nothing, if my two sisters were shot and killed while serving in public office, I would crawl into a hole and never want to come out.
I can't even read the obituaries today because I just start sniffling and now my co-workers are looking at me getting teary-eyed in front of my computer.
My parents lived in Boston for 20 years and although he was never my senator, he was always my favorite. Someone downthread characterized his life as a Greek tragedy, which I think is spot on. I think of his life as a tale of redemption, of someone who started out badly but carried on the responsibility of an influential family name and tried to do good for those with nothing.
They were discussing Kennedy when I turned on the news this morning. I was hoping and praying they were discussing him in the context that he'd merely stepped down from the Senate. Reading the headline on MSNBC.com "Ted Kennedy, the Liberal Lion, Dead at 77" made me cry in my cereal. As someone who has identified as Liberal her entire life, this breaks my heart. There are few politicians that have not only truly spoken for exactly what I believe in and but have fought long and hard to turn those beliefs into actions and change. We lost a good one today.
I don't cry over famous people. But when it came out that Teddy was diagnosed with brain cancer, I shed a tear. I cried for him and his family, the fact that my state is losing our biggest asset in Washington, and that so many people who need his voice have lost it. He did amazing work during his time in the senate, and he leaves an incredible legacy. I just hope someone can pick up the torch he left behind.
I have admittedly not always been his biggest fan, but I have to say that legislatively speaking, he did a lot of good. I heard someone on the news say that the Kennedy story is like a Greek tragedy, and I think they're right in that each of them seemed to possess talent as well as a tragic flaw. Ted was the only one of the brothers who lived long enough for his personal life to really expose those flaws. But again, as a professional legislator, he worked long and hard and I can respect that.
He undeniably achieved some very good things, the Kennedy saga always fascinates, I wouldn't wish brain cancer on anyone, and I hope in death his name provides a further goad for health care reform ("Let's do this for Ted"); however, I am somewhat dismayed that because the man died many today are characterizing the death of Mary Jo K. as simply a political slip-up, one that every politician makes; perhaps my feelings are based on my (relative) seniority and small contact with that young woman's family.
It is fine to laud the passing Senator but I am a little queasy at the retroactive trivialization of certain past events. I do think he did the positive, creative thing with whatever sense of guilt he had over his part in a young woman's death and went on to work for many liberal causes, but there was a reason why he never became President, and I do think that particular situation was extraordinary, not politics as usual.
@otherginger: I agree. He himself said his failure to tell the cops for 9 hours was "indefensible," and I agree. No one but him knows what really happened. As I recall, the inquest found he had been negligently driving, and that the negligence caused her death.
I'm not saying that incident overshadows his life, and there really isn't much more to say about it, but it did happen and it can't be totally ignored in an analysis of his life.
I think President Obama is the best exemplar of just what Edward Kennedy strove for his whole life. The President's campaign and eventual victory must have seemed like vindication for years of toil on civil rights and equality, and a fitting capstone to the legacies of his brothers John and Robert.
He did so much to promote women and other marginalized groups. Despite some questionable action (which let's face it all politicians have) I think he created a strong legacy and had a wonderful political career.
@CurtCole: His personal life tended to be a shambles early on, but then, given all he and his family had been through, is that really a surprise? Stronger men than he would have crumbled under the sheer weight of misfortune the Kennedy family has endured.
@CurtCole: Just to expand a little - all people in general make questionable actions/tragic mistakes in our own lives. And part of what made Kennedy great is that he was so human. He didn't use his position in life to say "I am better than you because I am a Kennedy and a Senator", he worked his ass off to do good work for the people of the country, despite his own flaws and personal tragedy.
@dreamweave: I think that his bending down, to pick up the most downtrodden American, is his real legacy. He was part of privilege, but he recognized the cost of his privilege as being made off the backs of honest and decent Americans everywhere. He wanted to repay the American people for all that they had given his family. It is that kind of admirable sentiment, that it is expected for those better off to give back to those who are not, that is missing from the current "debate" in this country.
@NefariousNewt: You are right on. He never had the ludicrous puffery that "all I have is because my family and I worked so hard for it". From those to whom much is given, much is expected - he really lived that. And though he hated to lose, he was dedicated to governing, not just winning.
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I can't really imagine it, but man, I would like to. I take nighttime walks because really, it's my only option. And I live in a nice neighborhood, other pedestrians, etc. But I still keep my ipod turned down so I can hear people behind me. I stop randomly and look behind me, keep a light in my pocket, watch dark shadows, and don't get too close to the bushes.
I live in a college area so there are usually people around, but sometimes they're drunk people and that's not too much fun. I hate having to feel like I'm risking my safety just by walking around the block a few times for fitness. #eveensler
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Did you read any of the other comments on this thread? Most of the women here have this issue. And I think most women do think about this, unless they're deluding themselves or clueless about the lack of safety precautions in most places.
I'm not saying it's not something you don't personally worry about, but that viewpoint is the exceptions. Most women, especially living alone, do have to watch out for their safety on a regular basis. #eveensler
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'Cause I love her, but if that's her mission? With what I've been reading around here (and of course, not just here) lately, it's looking like it's gonna be awhile. #eveensler
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I had dropped my id and he was trying to catch up with me. I almost gave him a heart attack when I jumped out with my mace raring to go--thank god I didn't fire. #eveensler
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It is insane to actually think about all the precautions that I take on a daily basis out of fear. It becomes such a part of daily life that when I actually think about how many times I make an "escape route" for myself, it's sad.
And I live in a safe area. #eveensler
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Dude, I <3 you. My husband has had similar experiences. #eveensler
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It might have made things worse.
I feel like a dick and now I try to be super aware of space and body language. #eveensler
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I mean a shiver. #eveensler
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When I pulled into the parking lot of the restaurant, I heard this "WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU'RE DOING, MAN?" from the Dude. The guy tried to claim we were together, and then said the Dude was lying about our marital status, and then fried to pass it off as the Dude being hostile, that he wasn't doin' nuthin', and besides, that girl is ugly, anyway.
That was the day the Dude understood.
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I know there is plenty to criticize in his personal life, but he got shit done. I'd rather have a deeply flawed man who gets stuff done than a very nice one who can't do anything. Although nowadays, there seem to be more and more assholes who get nothing done, like the worst of both worlds.
I'm not going to bring up his death with any family members, as the odds are excellent that they will mention Chappaquiddick.
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I was thinking about his eulogy of Bobby, the end anyway:
My brother need not be idealized, or enlarged in death beyond what he was in life, to be remembered simply as a good and decent man, who saw wrong and tried to right it, saw suffering and tried to heal it, saw war and tried to stop it.
I'm not sure Teddy was always a good and decent man--he made a few, as he himself said, indefensible mistakes--but he became one, and we don't need to forget his early failings to celebrate the things he did to help those Americans most in need of it.
And not for nothing, if my two sisters were shot and killed while serving in public office, I would crawl into a hole and never want to come out.
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Any bets as to when Fox will fuck this up?
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My parents lived in Boston for 20 years and although he was never my senator, he was always my favorite. Someone downthread characterized his life as a Greek tragedy, which I think is spot on. I think of his life as a tale of redemption, of someone who started out badly but carried on the responsibility of an influential family name and tried to do good for those with nothing.
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He undeniably achieved some very good things, the Kennedy saga always fascinates, I wouldn't wish brain cancer on anyone, and I hope in death his name provides a further goad for health care reform ("Let's do this for Ted"); however, I am somewhat dismayed that because the man died many today are characterizing the death of Mary Jo K. as simply a political slip-up, one that every politician makes; perhaps my feelings are based on my (relative) seniority and small contact with that young woman's family.
It is fine to laud the passing Senator but I am a little queasy at the retroactive trivialization of certain past events. I do think he did the positive, creative thing with whatever sense of guilt he had over his part in a young woman's death and went on to work for many liberal causes, but there was a reason why he never became President, and I do think that particular situation was extraordinary, not politics as usual.
Just my 2 cents.
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I'm not saying that incident overshadows his life, and there really isn't much more to say about it, but it did happen and it can't be totally ignored in an analysis of his life.
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