I had to do this letter thing due to my back and knee issues when I was playing lacrosse and while volleyball seems pretty non-contact, I get the initial freak out and restriction for mere insurance purposes. We were always injuring ourselves during games, even by mistake, so this really is a heavy insurance and safety issue.
Im just shocked that this mother and daughter are so bewildered that pregnant teens can;t naturally be the star athletes they once were. Coaches, especially when it comes down to teams worthy of playoffs, titles, etc. are always going to favor people that will be there in the long run. I know that it was the early stages, but who knows what could happen in a month. I think I would be more worried how my child, especially with the insane amount of extra curriculars and time she spent with her mother got pregnant in the first part. Maybe this mother, who finds religion so important it could seperate her child from her dreams, would be more active within the school to discuss birth control instead of pregnant athletes.
@ArtfulSlinger: I definitely agree on the birth control bit. The daughter was so against getting an abortion because it was against her religious beliefs, yet she was all for pre-marital, unprotected sex. It boggles the mind.
@dj_chick: I don't think most people put those two things on an equivalent moral level, though. Plenty of people don't have strong convictions against sexual activity in a committed relationship, but are still opposed to taking someone's life.
@Vidya108: If people are basing their morals on religion, all sins should be equal. Personally, I'm ok with her having pre-marital sex (protected would have been ideal), and with having an abortion. But giving one the big thumbs up and not the other? Something is very wrong there.
@dj_chick: But not all sins are equal. I'm a semi-lapsed Catholic, and I am 99.9% sure not a single person in the congregation my parents still take part in would tell you those sins are equal. The Catholic Church sure as shit doesn't.
@sequined: We may not perceive them to be equal, but from a religious standpoint, as far as God is concerned, a sin is a sin. Whether you covet your neighbor's wife or steal, each sin is equivalent. There isn't supposed to be a sliding scale. (Hey, all I did what take the Lord's name in vein! That's not nearly as bad as talking shit about my parents.) I'm speaking ideally, of course. One look at our judicial system tells you that of course humans don't see it that way.
@dj_chick: Historically speaking, this isn't true. A good part of Catholic hamartology (the study of sin) is based on the gradation of sin, and the relationship between sin, confession, and penance. E.g., the seven capital sins have usually been listed in order of severity (pride being the worst, as it gives rise to all other sins), and the sins usually considered as mortal can be mitigated by certain factors (external pressure, mental illness/psychosis).
In theory, Protestantism doesn't make these distinctions--sin is sin, no matter what--but on a personal level, I think it's difficult to avoid seeing some sins as greater or lesser, simply because the way both theologians and the laity describe sin and punishment tends to be judicial, and that type of language lends itself to legalistic stratification. Girls raised in these traditions may think "premarital sex is a sin, but the only consequences fall on me, so it may be bad; but abortion is worse, because the consequences affect another human being."
(I'm not saying I don't agree with you--and I think in this case there's the all-too-common failing of lack of foresight and common sense--, but I do take issue with arguments that say "religion should be [or is] cut and dry," because it isn't; it's a human thing, so it can't be. This goes for fundamentalists who want to see ideal religion in practice, as well.)
Man, her season ended before she hit 5 months, too. That sucks.
The entire segment's bizarre. She's religious, so didn't want an abortion, but once the coach benched her (at 3 months) she started seriously thinking about abortion because of it. So all the arguments about rough play and accidental miscarriage... I don't want to sound callous here, but if she signed a waiver and got a note from the doc, then there you go. She knew the potential outcome of a bad dive on a hardwood floor, I'm guessing. It was a risk she was willing to take.
Sounds like the coach was running out the clock. If he kept her off the team long enough, then the season would be over and he wouldn't have to deal with it.
I AM slightly curious about whether there's a religious element to the coach's attitude? Or anyone's attitude, really, when they restrict a pregnant woman's activity. If the mother is willing to engage in an activity that could conceivably terminate the pregnancy, would a religious person feel compelled to create obstacles between that woman and her chosen activity?
Oh, how my heart leapt a little when I heard the words "Title IX violations." I can't wait to see some people held accountable for overreacting in such a negative way. Clearly, the doctor's note is okay, that's a liability issue, but the coach was so out of line here. He should be standing behind his players when they have problems and not actively working to compound them.
I loathe it when teachers or coaches take it upon themselves to tell the whole team or class about one kid's private business. This reminded me, in its judginess and thoughtless cruelty, of an incident that happened to the teenage son of one of my mum's friends. He's a sweet, sensitive boy who is figuring out his identity as he goes along, mkay? And one day in a class discussion that touched on homosexuality, the teacher pointedly asked him what he thought about this.
'I've been wondering how to address this,' the teacher said, 'since you are obviously gay.'
You'd best BELIEVE there was a shitstorm of EPIC proportions.
@Jack_Burton: I don't think HIPAA applies, but there are very strict Texas state laws as well as federal laws about public schools releasing students' private information.
@Jack_Burton: Does HIPAA cover school officials as well, or only healthcare workers (e.g., her OBGYN, but not volleyball coach)? I bet FERPA would cover it, though.
@wtfox?!: HIPPA-related workplace statutes prevent supervisors from providing medical information about their employees' healthcare records/status, so the privacy protections definitely extend beyond healthcare workers. The Privacy Act could take care of written records at a school, but there are some grey areas about the information in the records, I believe.
@Jack_Burton: Dur *smites forehead* You're right. I checked the HIPAA website, and it looks like HIPAA doesn't extend to elementary/secondary schools--but FERPA does step in, I think, to limit sharing of personal health info. to relevant personnel. Her coach did need to know what was up, and probably got a copy of her doctor's release, but no way should that info. have been passed on to the team. He should have obfuscated, or just said "she'll be okay," and moved on.
@wtfox?!: Actually, FERPA only applies to educational records such as grades or disciplinary behavior records and not health records (unless it directly applies to academic-related issues such as a psychological profile diagnosing a learning disorder). It prevents the release of grades or disciplinary records to anyone other than the student, or the release of a student's academic record to the student's parents if they are over 18. But FERPA only applies to those records, unless the coach learned of her pregnancy via her educational records (which I doubt) he's not in violation of FERPA.
As the coach is not a health-care provider, they're definitely not bound by HIPPA, and anyway, if the coach found out from the girl or her parents (even via a doctor's note) it may be unethical for him to release the information, but it isn't illegal.
I 100% agree with you, he should have just obfuscated.
@Penny: I cried when she went to go see her sister too. I loved when she told Schu " You don't know the first thing about me." I tell people that all the time when I get angry.
In addition to the GLBT fans, it also seems like a lot of families bring their children; probably due in large part to the children playing the sport and the lower ticket prices. If the kids can see it as a fun sport maybe once they are adults they will still want to watch the games. The league just has to hold out that long.
I've made this point here before, but it tooks decades for the major male professional leagues to catch hold, with some of the same "are they doomed" talk at the time. But, because they weren't part of the 24-hour news cycle, everything must turn an immediate profit world of today they were given the time and nurturing to grow a fan base. Sometimes I think the WNBA tried to start too big, it's needs time to grow in a natural way. Many of the women who play in the league were major starts in college (such as Candace Parker and the now-retired Rebecca Lobo), it would be a shame if they wouldn't be able to play after graduation. It's also too bad that women's professional sports haven't been able to captitalize on Olympics momentum. The US is dominant in women's basketball, soccer and softball--why can't the excitment of 2 weeks every 4 years spill over into being able to see these ladies play all the time? #wnba
Ugh. The slam dunk is the most overrated move in basketball. At least the women can actually hit their damn free throws.
/Not the point. But it is kind of hard to take the whole "just take what you have" argument, rather than men ever being expected to change their ways to lead to more inclusive environments (within and beyond athletics) for women. #wnba
Ugh, this issue is one of my biggest pet peeves. For some reason, the fact that many men seem to feel this compulsive need to bash women's basketball all.the.time just really irks me.
Women's basketball and men's basketball are different entitites--the players have different physical capabilities and thus the games (and strategy involved) have evolved differently. I am completely willing to admit that women play basketball in a different way, and it's ok that some people find this "less exciting". That's just an opinion, though, and some people feel the opposite way. I don't understand why "different" has to translate into "not worthwhile", or not a legitimate sport.
It's not for you--and that's fine--so go watch something else, and quit bitching about it already. #wnba
A while back, people discussed doing more of a 'regional draft' for the WNBA.
My husband and I both enjoy college women's basketball and loved watching the University of Minnesota women's team when they made the Final Four and had Lindsay Whalen and Janel McCarville on the team. Their college games were sold out and had a bigger following than the men's team. Whalen was drafted by Connecticut and has been successful there, but I am sure the MN Lynx would have gotten much more attendance and interest if she would have stayed in an area with instant celebrity/name recognition. Not to mention how that could play into endorsements. #wnba
I think Levin has a great point. A few years ago, the UConn womens' team was able to build a huge fan base by giving away discount and free tickets to nearby retirement communities who had more expendable time and were eager to participate in local events. After filling the seats and creating a buzz (and of course, playing great basketball), the womens' program is arguably on par with the mens' program in terms of notoriety (on campus and nationally). Finding these other audiences (often marginalized by sports) can really pay off.
On another note, It bothers me when people say that womens' athletics just aren't as fun to watch as the men's competition. Of course, it will be a different game. And of course, the average NBA player can jump higher than the average WNBA player. But its just a different type of top-level competition. College-level play is different than professional play in most sports, and people still watch both, appreciating it for what it is (because when it comes down to it, its entertaining as hell to watch teams, who devote themselves to training and being premier athletes, compete against one another). #wnba
@BeRy51: College-level play is different than professional play in most sports, and people still watch both, appreciating it for what it is (because when it comes down to it, its entertaining as hell to watch teams, who devote themselves to training and being premier athletes, compete against one another).
This is a good point -- I think people are often into sports for emotional, not logical reasons, and may be turned off of them for emotional reasons as well. I don't doubt that there are fans who will never like women's basketball because it is, in some ways, a different game -- but I worry that many also just can't root for women on the court the same way they can for men. #wnba
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Im just shocked that this mother and daughter are so bewildered that pregnant teens can;t naturally be the star athletes they once were. Coaches, especially when it comes down to teams worthy of playoffs, titles, etc. are always going to favor people that will be there in the long run. I know that it was the early stages, but who knows what could happen in a month. I think I would be more worried how my child, especially with the insane amount of extra curriculars and time she spent with her mother got pregnant in the first part. Maybe this mother, who finds religion so important it could seperate her child from her dreams, would be more active within the school to discuss birth control instead of pregnant athletes.
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In theory, Protestantism doesn't make these distinctions--sin is sin, no matter what--but on a personal level, I think it's difficult to avoid seeing some sins as greater or lesser, simply because the way both theologians and the laity describe sin and punishment tends to be judicial, and that type of language lends itself to legalistic stratification. Girls raised in these traditions may think "premarital sex is a sin, but the only consequences fall on me, so it may be bad; but abortion is worse, because the consequences affect another human being."
(I'm not saying I don't agree with you--and I think in this case there's the all-too-common failing of lack of foresight and common sense--, but I do take issue with arguments that say "religion should be [or is] cut and dry," because it isn't; it's a human thing, so it can't be. This goes for fundamentalists who want to see ideal religion in practice, as well.)
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The entire segment's bizarre. She's religious, so didn't want an abortion, but once the coach benched her (at 3 months) she started seriously thinking about abortion because of it. So all the arguments about rough play and accidental miscarriage... I don't want to sound callous here, but if she signed a waiver and got a note from the doc, then there you go. She knew the potential outcome of a bad dive on a hardwood floor, I'm guessing. It was a risk she was willing to take.
Sounds like the coach was running out the clock. If he kept her off the team long enough, then the season would be over and he wouldn't have to deal with it.
I AM slightly curious about whether there's a religious element to the coach's attitude? Or anyone's attitude, really, when they restrict a pregnant woman's activity. If the mother is willing to engage in an activity that could conceivably terminate the pregnancy, would a religious person feel compelled to create obstacles between that woman and her chosen activity?
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'I've been wondering how to address this,' the teacher said, 'since you are obviously gay.'
You'd best BELIEVE there was a shitstorm of EPIC proportions.
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As the coach is not a health-care provider, they're definitely not bound by HIPPA, and anyway, if the coach found out from the girl or her parents (even via a doctor's note) it may be unethical for him to release the information, but it isn't illegal.
I 100% agree with you, he should have just obfuscated.
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Whoa. That abstinence-only education in Texas has people thinking that pregnancy is a communicable disease.
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This almost makes up for the case of the sads I got watching that episode of Glee.
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God, maybe I am pregnant.
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I've made this point here before, but it tooks decades for the major male professional leagues to catch hold, with some of the same "are they doomed" talk at the time. But, because they weren't part of the 24-hour news cycle, everything must turn an immediate profit world of today they were given the time and nurturing to grow a fan base. Sometimes I think the WNBA tried to start too big, it's needs time to grow in a natural way. Many of the women who play in the league were major starts in college (such as Candace Parker and the now-retired Rebecca Lobo), it would be a shame if they wouldn't be able to play after graduation. It's also too bad that women's professional sports haven't been able to captitalize on Olympics momentum. The US is dominant in women's basketball, soccer and softball--why can't the excitment of 2 weeks every 4 years spill over into being able to see these ladies play all the time? #wnba
10/21/09
/Not the point. But it is kind of hard to take the whole "just take what you have" argument, rather than men ever being expected to change their ways to lead to more inclusive environments (within and beyond athletics) for women. #wnba
10/21/09
Women's basketball and men's basketball are different entitites--the players have different physical capabilities and thus the games (and strategy involved) have evolved differently. I am completely willing to admit that women play basketball in a different way, and it's ok that some people find this "less exciting". That's just an opinion, though, and some people feel the opposite way. I don't understand why "different" has to translate into "not worthwhile", or not a legitimate sport.
It's not for you--and that's fine--so go watch something else, and quit bitching about it already. #wnba
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My husband and I both enjoy college women's basketball and loved watching the University of Minnesota women's team when they made the Final Four and had Lindsay Whalen and Janel McCarville on the team. Their college games were sold out and had a bigger following than the men's team. Whalen was drafted by Connecticut and has been successful there, but I am sure the MN Lynx would have gotten much more attendance and interest if she would have stayed in an area with instant celebrity/name recognition. Not to mention how that could play into endorsements. #wnba
10/21/09
On another note, It bothers me when people say that womens' athletics just aren't as fun to watch as the men's competition. Of course, it will be a different game. And of course, the average NBA player can jump higher than the average WNBA player. But its just a different type of top-level competition. College-level play is different than professional play in most sports, and people still watch both, appreciating it for what it is (because when it comes down to it, its entertaining as hell to watch teams, who devote themselves to training and being premier athletes, compete against one another). #wnba
10/21/09
This is a good point -- I think people are often into sports for emotional, not logical reasons, and may be turned off of them for emotional reasons as well. I don't doubt that there are fans who will never like women's basketball because it is, in some ways, a different game -- but I worry that many also just can't root for women on the court the same way they can for men. #wnba