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    Image of hfree hfree
    10/21/09

    In reply to Whither The WNBA?
    In addition to the GLBT fans, it also seems like a lot of families bring their children; probably due in large part to the children playing the sport and the lower ticket prices. If the kids can see it as a fun sport maybe once they are adults they will still want to watch the games. The league just has to hold out that long.

    I've made this point here before, but it tooks decades for the major male professional leagues to catch hold, with some of the same "are they doomed" talk at the time. But, because they weren't part of the 24-hour news cycle, everything must turn an immediate profit world of today they were given the time and nurturing to grow a fan base. Sometimes I think the WNBA tried to start too big, it's needs time to grow in a natural way. Many of the women who play in the league were major starts in college (such as Candace Parker and the now-retired Rebecca Lobo), it would be a shame if they wouldn't be able to play after graduation. It's also too bad that women's professional sports haven't been able to captitalize on Olympics momentum. The US is dominant in women's basketball, soccer and softball--why can't the excitment of 2 weeks every 4 years spill over into being able to see these ladies play all the time? #wnba
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    10/21/09

    In reply to Whither The WNBA?
    Ugh. The slam dunk is the most overrated move in basketball. At least the women can actually hit their damn free throws.

    /Not the point. But it is kind of hard to take the whole "just take what you have" argument, rather than men ever being expected to change their ways to lead to more inclusive environments (within and beyond athletics) for women. #wnba
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    Image of BuffySummers BuffySummers
    10/21/09

    In reply to Whither The WNBA?
    Ugh, this issue is one of my biggest pet peeves. For some reason, the fact that many men seem to feel this compulsive need to bash women's basketball all.the.time just really irks me.

    Women's basketball and men's basketball are different entitites--the players have different physical capabilities and thus the games (and strategy involved) have evolved differently. I am completely willing to admit that women play basketball in a different way, and it's ok that some people find this "less exciting". That's just an opinion, though, and some people feel the opposite way. I don't understand why "different" has to translate into "not worthwhile", or not a legitimate sport.

    It's not for you--and that's fine--so go watch something else, and quit bitching about it already. #wnba
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    Image of ThaLza ThaLza
    10/21/09

    In reply to Whither The WNBA?
    I hope to someday see unisex sports teams play on television before I die. #wnba
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    Image of lorem oopsum lorem oopsum
    10/21/09

    In reply to Whither The WNBA?
    A while back, people discussed doing more of a 'regional draft' for the WNBA.

    My husband and I both enjoy college women's basketball and loved watching the University of Minnesota women's team when they made the Final Four and had Lindsay Whalen and Janel McCarville on the team. Their college games were sold out and had a bigger following than the men's team. Whalen was drafted by Connecticut and has been successful there, but I am sure the MN Lynx would have gotten much more attendance and interest if she would have stayed in an area with instant celebrity/name recognition. Not to mention how that could play into endorsements. #wnba
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    Image of BeRy51 BeRy51
    10/21/09

    In reply to Whither The WNBA?
    I think Levin has a great point. A few years ago, the UConn womens' team was able to build a huge fan base by giving away discount and free tickets to nearby retirement communities who had more expendable time and were eager to participate in local events. After filling the seats and creating a buzz (and of course, playing great basketball), the womens' program is arguably on par with the mens' program in terms of notoriety (on campus and nationally). Finding these other audiences (often marginalized by sports) can really pay off.

    On another note, It bothers me when people say that womens' athletics just aren't as fun to watch as the men's competition. Of course, it will be a different game. And of course, the average NBA player can jump higher than the average WNBA player. But its just a different type of top-level competition. College-level play is different than professional play in most sports, and people still watch both, appreciating it for what it is (because when it comes down to it, its entertaining as hell to watch teams, who devote themselves to training and being premier athletes, compete against one another). #wnba
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    Image of Anna N. Anna N.
    10/21/09

    @BeRy51: College-level play is different than professional play in most sports, and people still watch both, appreciating it for what it is (because when it comes down to it, its entertaining as hell to watch teams, who devote themselves to training and being premier athletes, compete against one another).

    This is a good point -- I think people are often into sports for emotional, not logical reasons, and may be turned off of them for emotional reasons as well. I don't doubt that there are fans who will never like women's basketball because it is, in some ways, a different game -- but I worry that many also just can't root for women on the court the same way they can for men. #wnba
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    10/21/09

    In reply to Whither The WNBA?
    It's very sad that the only real professional sports league for female athletes is by and large a punchline in sports media. That's right, little girls, someday if you practice really hard and make many sacrifices, you can be a WNBA player and be mocked for your appearance, unsupported by your community, and teased by sports analysts... What child wouldn't want that?

    And somehow, the lingerie football league is considered a source of awesomeness and not degradation and joke fodder. #wnba
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    Image of NotSafeForLife NotSafeForLife
    10/21/09

    @o-line: Give sports fans a little more credit; the lingerie football league is considered one of the biggest jokes in sports. #wnba
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    10/21/09

    @NotSafeForLife: The players are trained athletes, coached by former NFL players and the games are played in traditional stadiums. This is broadcast on national television once a week. It is real. It is a sport. In my opinion, it is taken more seriously than the WNBA by many in the media.

    Count up the number of WNBA jokes vs. the LFL jokes during the average week and see which tally is higher. #wnba
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    Image of NotSafeForLife NotSafeForLife
    10/21/09

    @o-line: Lingerie football "athletes" aren't trained athletes (see here: [www.denverpost.com]), and their games aren't televised anywhere, or even mentioned by ESPN. #wnba
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    Image of hortense hortense
    10/21/09

    In reply to Whither The WNBA?
    The WNBA is also consistently praised for its hiring practices; women are running the league (Donna Orender is the President), so it's not just a good example for young girls watching what's happening on the court, but also for young girls to recognize what's happening behind the scenes as well. I'd hate to see it fold. #wnba
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    Image of thehighshelf thehighshelf
    10/21/09

    In reply to Whither The WNBA?
    Many a man has a problem watching a whole bunch of women be better than him at anything, let alone a sport he admires and probably wanted to be good at.

    It really is time for the WNBA to stop actively pushing away its fan bases. #wnba
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    Image of maneki neko maneki neko
    10/21/09

    In reply to Whither The WNBA?
    Like Levin implies, I suspect the WNBA could create a bigger fanbase without alienating their current fans if they started courting GLBT fans directly. GLBT consumers are usually very receptive to attempts to market to them, since such attempts are so rare. #wnba
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    10/21/09

    @maneki neko: I think they can also increase their fan base by targeting smaller markets and cities that have a void for professional and college sports. In Seattle, I believe, fan support has grown for the WNBA team since the NBA team left for Oklahoma City. Detroit's WNBA team is expected to move to Tulsa in the very near future. People in Tulsa, seem pretty excited about that prospect.

    And California has what, four NBA teams? One is in Oakland, but nothing in San Francisco. I bet the SF LGBT community would really embrace a WNBA team there. #wnba
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    Image of morninggloria morninggloria
    10/21/09

    In reply to Whither The WNBA?
    I love basketball. I played basketball from 6th grade thru my senior year of high school. Every year I experience March Madness, followed by the day-after-Christmaslike March Sadness. But I can't honestly say that I'd ever go to a WNBA game unless one of my friends were actually playing or if my boss made me go, for a couple of reasons. First, professional sports are infinitely less exciting than college sports (with the exception of baseball). Second, women's basketball is not close to as exciting as men's basketball. Women physically cannot do the things that men can do. A dunk may be worth the same as a layup, but if I want to see a bunch of layups, I'll just creepily hang out in a local middle school gym during 7th grade PE.

    It's great that women are staying active and competing with each other, and I thoroughly enjoyed my days playing, but the professional women's basketball doesn't appeal to me as a spectator sport as a Red Blooded American Female Sports Fan. #wnba
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    Image of RubyPenelope RubyPenelope
    10/21/09

    In reply to Whither The WNBA?
    I want to support the WNBA since I think its awesome ti have a female professional league in any sport but I don't love basketball that much and even if i wanted to go I don't know who would go with me. #wnba
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    Image of la.donna.pietra la.donna.pietra
    10/21/09

    @RubyPenelope: I bet you could probably find an interested kid in the Big Brothers/Big Sisters organization (or something similar) who would be delighted to go to a professional basketball game. #wnba
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    10/21/09

    @la.donna.pietra: And, many BB/BS chapters receive sporting event ticket donations for matches. #wnba
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    Image of GeorgeFayne GeorgeFayne
    10/21/09

    In reply to Whither The WNBA?
    I went to a Liberty game last year, and it was a great time. Seriously, $15 tickets to MSG - you can't beat it! #wnba
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    Image of ihateyourescalade ihateyourescalade
    10/21/09

    In reply to Whither The WNBA?
    This whole problem would be solved if the ladies would play in Easy Spirit pumps. Someone please tell me they remember that "looks like a pump, feels like a sneaker" commercial. Please. #wnba
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    Image of RubyPenelope RubyPenelope
    10/21/09

    @ihateyourescalade: When I was little that commercial used to fascinate me. #wnba
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    10/21/09

    @RubyPenelope: I always rooted for the red team. The yellow team seemed weak. #wnba
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    Image of RubyPenelope RubyPenelope
    10/21/09

    @ihateyourescalade: definitely, red is the color of winners! #wnba
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    Image of sportz.star sportz.star
    10/21/09

    In reply to Whither The WNBA?
    I tend to agree on the small market angle. I think when people have choices of teams they have known and loved for years, switching to spend money on other new teams is hard, period. I'm not a basketball fan, so I don't watch men's or women's on TV, but I'd go to games, particularly if it were one of the only sporting events in towns. Minor League baseball thrives that way. So does the AHL (hockey). I know the WNBA isn't supposed to be a "minor league" but better to survive than not. #wnba
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    Image of Zombie Ms. Skittles Zombie Ms. Skittles
    10/21/09

    @sportz.star: I think the marketing plan laid out by Levin is an excellent idea. I grew up playing soccer and I went to women's soccer games. I watched the Women's World Cup. I had posters of Mia Hamm. I knew who Brandy Chastain was. I had Girl Power! posters all over my walls, too.

    Focus on girls and their mothers. Make it into girl power and sisters doing it for each other. Let's face it, the expendable income in this country is in the hands of 13 year old babysitters who don't pay taxes or need to buy gas money. All their income is discretionary and they'd eat that up. Focus on middle and high school basketball teams. Hold basketball clinics for the community. Endorsement deals will follow if you can attract the girls now. #wnba
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    Image of FatLynn FatLynn
    10/21/09

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: What about daddy/daughter night, as well? If the WNBA had been around growing up, my dad definitely would have felt obligated to take me. #wnba
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    Image of Zombie Ms. Skittles Zombie Ms. Skittles
    10/21/09

    @FatLynn: That could definitely work. Dad (or older male type father figure person) buys a ticket, daughter gets in free.

    Hell, hitch your wagon to the Girl Scouts horse. You know if they offered group discounts or did a special scout deal, the Girl Scouts would visit and make a big deal about it. #wnba
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    Image of kemperboyd kemperboyd
    10/21/09

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: I also grew up playing football (soccer) in the UK. I suppose Women's Football is similar to the WNBA in the UK because men will not watch it.
    I personally have never been to a Women's match I was not involved in but do follow both the England Ladies team as well as the Arsenal Ladies (Arsenal Mens are my true love).
    England got to the Final of the European Championships this year (the men haven't done this in something like 40 years) and still noone seemed to care.
    Although the profile and respect for the Ladies game has risen as The england team improve and succeed, it bugs me that they get less respect and attention than the Mens tema will get in mediocre years. #wnba
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