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misssichuan
02/21/09

In reply to Bardot To Big O: Save The Seals
I think the Pretenders said it best, "And it's good, good, good. Like Brigitte Bardot." Love her cause she doens't give a f*ck about PCness, just the animals.
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Sister Toldja
02/21/09

@mhmhmhm:

Um...she's a racist. Margaret Cho is "not PC". Bardot is a bigot.

Guess of all people, I shouldn't be surprised that there are bigot lovers on Jez!
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Sister Toldja
02/20/09

In reply to Bardot To Big O: Save The Seals
I would be tempted to kill a seal just to spite her old racist ass, were they not so cute.

Maybe they can make a deal- like, we will save the seals if you perhaps kill yourself immediately.
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MeganGlass 就是一个古代的三明治
02/20/09

In reply to Bardot To Big O: Save The Seals
There are a zillion reasons why seal hunting is sadly a necessity.
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ZemarSea urchin
02/20/09

In reply to Bardot To Big O: Save The Seals
This will come across as angry but I am merely expressing frustration: you have no idea what kind of lives the seal hunters live and how you are undermining their ability to provide for their families. If you have a job that can you can offer with decent enough pay to allow them to support themselves and their families; then by all means protest against them; judge them and force the industry that puts food on their tables out of business. Most of the *evil* seal hunters have no other employment options as they live in a province that has no dominent industry, no major corporations to employ them and no means (money, education, etc.) to allow them to go elsewhere. It might behoove the critics to visit and speak with the seal hunters and their families before judgment is placed and they are robbed of an income. I don't care for the slaughter of seals any more than the next person but I cannot condem the hunters for trying to earn an income. As for Canadian Natives and the government of Canada's relationship and treatment in terms of land, hunting, and fishing, well, that is a whole other kettle of fish. I'm sorry if I am preachy but no one ever discusses the hunters and what kind of lives they lead. The media and outsiders insist on making them out to be monsters and that is just not the case. Please look at all sides of the arguement before passing judgement. They are good people who I would be happy to include at my dinner table despite the fact that I hate what they do for a living. If these men don't have the hunt then its the unemployment/ welfare line for them. There are no magical jobs that will appear in place of the hunt. Here is a little info about as biased as I could find: http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/sealhunt/
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DutchessOfDork
02/20/09

@ZemarSea urchin:

Most of us on the thread were trying to say that, but you put it better than I could.
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Scout
02/20/09

@ZemarSea urchin: I got nothing but "here! here!" - its always a "Snap Judgment" with this issue when it should be a "Well-Informed Discourse"
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AuntieBee
02/20/09

@ZemarSea urchin: Well put.
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ZemarSea Urchin
02/20/09

@DutchessOfDork:
Thank you. I'm from the east coast (Nova Scotia) and I understand the circumstances that many NFLDers face. An entire protion of my home province (Cape Breton) was forced into hard times after the main source of employment and income was iradicated (minning). Much of the eastern provinces have similiar widespread employement issues that affect some if not the entire province. I just want people to understand whats at stake and that the hunters aren't cruel people they just do what has to be done. I feel sorry for those seals but... well just look at Detroit and what they face because their main industry dried up and the employment conditions aren't getting better. If I handed them a club and set them out on a boat they'd learn pretty quick even if they didn't want to.
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MeganGlass 就是一个古代的三明治
02/20/09

@ZemarSea urchin: There used to be really good info and links on wikipedia. Someone really spent the time to present both sides of the issue and added some excellent links. Someone who really loves seals pretty much vandalized the article and got it locked out. Pretty lame. More than an issue of livelihoods, though, the ecological impact of stopping the hunt would be horrible: The seal population would explode, their food would vanish, since we've fished most of it up, and then the expanded seal population would starve to death, leaving no fish and no seals.

Carry on, seal hunters.
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Bluenose sailor
02/20/09

@ZemarSea Urchin: Well I'm from Nova Scotia and I'm conflicted about the seal hunt, not just on issues of animal cruelty, but on the actual effectiveness of the seal hunt at helping fish populations survive (the evidence is hardly conclusive), and also about the actual economic justification for it. Not that sealing doesn't help fishermen, because it does, but the economic benefit doesn't come from the sale of seal pelts (remember last year when fishermen acknowledged that profits from the hunt would barely cover the cost of diesel?), but because the government approves of the hunt as a sort of make-work project, and financially reimburses fishermen who participate.

I would rather see our government speak out about overfishing by giant trawlers and irresponsible fisheries management on an international level, or research and fund sustainable fish farming initiatives, than have them make the seal hunt a condition of receiving employment insurance payments.

But I could just be talking out of my butt.
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MeganGlass 就是一个古代的三明治
02/20/09

@Bluenose sailor: I'm very much in agreement. I think efforts to curtail the european fishing fleets that operate 24/7 and 365 days a year just outside of canadian territorial waters would be much more effective at restoring the fish populations than hunting seals would. Too bad it's completely legal despite being a morally bankrupt and 100% unsustainable practice, you know?

I do get annoyed when people try to portray the hunt as a massive commercial undertaking, wantonly killing those adorable critters for their fur and for love of carnage. I mean, how often do you see seal products for sale? Commercial, my eye.

You do not seem to be talking out your butt at all.
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DutchessOfDork
02/20/09

@ZemarSea Urchin:

I know what you mean my family is from the East Coast and some still live on Cape Breton. My cousins are lobster fisherman and even they have troubles (especially right now) with the frequent trap stealing and what have you.
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Lumbercath
02/20/09

In reply to Bardot To Big O: Save The Seals
Ugh, this whole seal-hunt shit pisses me off so much.

There are thousands of animals in the world that are also being slaughtered that aren't adorable (but, essentially, more important, as they are going extinct). Yet because it's Canada (a seemingly wealthy country) and cute baby seals, it's a huge deal. People who are speaking out about this are uninformed. The seals are overpopulated, and have no major threat. Newfoundland has only recently become a "have province" and have had a history of poverty. This is a major source of income to a lot of the people who live there.

I think the government is looking out for it's people (and it's fishing industry) when they kill these seals.
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slightlyhardup
02/20/09

@Lumbercath: i posted something similar in a reply to someone's comment a little earlier. I had opposed it on the basis of 'oh but they're so cute' but was quickly schooled in the realities of it by my BF. He also explained to me why the use of the club is necessary, since it's never a good idea to shoot at a peice of ice you're standing on.
I don't love the idea of hunting anything, but I also realize that it is a necessity and a means of income and way of life for some peope.
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Scout
02/20/09

@Lumbercath: agree! And while I'm no fan of PETA nor their lame "Sea Kittens" campaign...we really need to focus on the depletion of our oceans (FISH!!!) and why Fish Conservation should take precedent because of its un-sustainability.
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MeganGlass 就是一个古代的三明治
02/20/09

@slightlyhardup: Also, the hakapik (or club, if you must) is the more humane method of killing a seal. Figures I've seen have the average seal death by gunshot as taking 40 - 60 seconds. A spike in the brain is almost always instant. It's also a hell of a lot safer for the hunters.
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Triphena
02/20/09

In reply to Bardot To Big O: Save The Seals
She reminds me of Patsy's sister Jackie.
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JessicaLovejoy: Laughing, riding, cornholing!
02/20/09

In reply to Bardot To Big O: Save The Seals
I love looking at old pictures of your hair. Otherwise? STFU AND STFD.
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Penny
02/20/09

@Jessica Hussein Lovejoy is stimulatin' ur package: Me too. Such pretty hair.....
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AuntieBee
02/20/09

In reply to Bardot To Big O: Save The Seals
Again, I am not defending the hunt. However, I know that there are a lot of Canadians who would. Seals are a significant source of income for thousands of families in remote coastal communities in Eastern Canada, at a time of year when employment opportunities are extremely limited.

These links may help.

[www.cbc.ca]

[www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca]
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Mafalda para Presidente
02/20/09

In reply to Bardot To Big O: Save The Seals
When I read "Big O" I thought you were referring to Oprah.
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lilbobbytables
02/20/09

@Mafalda para Presidente: Me too....
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saintbernadette
02/20/09

@Mafalda para Presidente: This is awful: I thought Overstock.com.
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Mkp-hearts-NYC
02/20/09

In reply to Bardot To Big O: Save The Seals
Also the article goes on to say that Canadian seal products are already banned in the US....Obama doesn't need to spend his political capital getting them banned by the European Union too! Aren't there some European presidents she should be writing to?
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par3
02/20/09

cheap labor/child prostitution in eastern europe...no one's standing up for them.
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lilbobbytables
02/20/09

@par3: I don't mean to be snarky, but what does this have to do with seals?
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Mkp-hearts-NYC
02/20/09

@par3: How is that germane to this discussion?
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par3
02/22/09

@Mkp-braaaains-NYC: I commented this for a different post..i have no idea how it got here...maybe i was drunk???? lol.... sorry guys.
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DutchessOfDork
02/20/09

In reply to Bardot To Big O: Save The Seals
It is illegal to hunt baby seals in Canada, additionally the people hunting the seals are Newfoundland who rely on it for their income. Secondly, it is also illegal to hit it in the head with a stick and a nail, and due to ice caps melting it's hard to do it in the first place.

The McCartneys versus Premier of Newfoundland, Danny Williams. IT's a long interview but heres a part.
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par3
02/20/09

@DutchessOfDork: there are so many other ways to earn money....be a librarian...for fuck sakes.
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AuntieBee
02/20/09

@par3: Okay, you know what? You are all over this thread, stomping on legitimate comments. I get that you feel the need to defend her, both for her protest and her racism, but you are demonstrating a clear lack of understanding about the seal hunt in Canada, and the Canadians living on the East Coast in particular. If you honestly expect us to back the fuck off because we are North American and we "cant' understand" then it is time for you to take your OWN advice, right about NOW. Thanks.
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DutchessOfDork
02/20/09

@par3:

Newfoundland has the highest unemployment rate of all Canada.
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NellMood
02/20/09

@par3: I think that's overly simplistic. I'm not pro-seal hunting, but come on.
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par3
02/22/09

@AuntieBee: calm down... 'OKAY'? everyone is entitled to their own opinion. sorry, i refuse to believe that slaughtering animals with a club is really a 'way out' of debt or making a living. i'm not defending barot...frankly i could give 2 flying f*cks about her. i'm defending the damn seals...so you DON'T GET IT. i have no idea what my comment has to do with you being 'north americans' so maybe you're just reading a little TOO far into my comment... jump on someone else...thanks.
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par3
02/22/09

@NellMood: i'm giving an overly-simplistic comment to an overly simplistic concept. how is unemployment an excuse for brutally slaughtering endangered animals with a club? the over simplifying goes both ways.
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hortense
02/20/09

In reply to Bardot To Big O: Save The Seals
Maybe she should work on her own issues. Being convicted of "inciting racial hatred" 5 fucking times and all.
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par3
02/20/09

@hortense: @hortense: look into all 5 specific times and see how much of daily language and be taken from that.
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Penny
02/20/09

@par3:

In 1997 she was fined for saying in the newspaper Le Figaro that France was becoming over-run by "sheep-slaughtering Muslims."

Because, that's all the Muslims like to do, slaughter sheep. And the French, they never slaughter anything.

She wrote: "my country, France, my homeland, my land is again invaded by an overpopulation of foreigners, especially Muslims."

And the French never invaded anyone or colonized any group of foreigners. Ever.

On June 10, 2004, a French court ruled that she "presents Muslims as barbaric and cruel invaders, responsible for terrorist acts and eager to dominate the French to the extent of wanting to exterminate them."

Those barbaric terrorists!!

"I do not hold religious Muslims in high esteem."

I think that's self-explanatory, no?

"I am fed up with being under the thumb of this population which is destroying us, destroying our country and imposing its acts."

Damn, I wonder if the folks in Haiti felt similarly?
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AuntieBee
02/20/09

@Penny Plastic: I love you for this. You did this so quickly, I am amazed.
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Katxyz
02/20/09

@par3:

"Ms Bardot also praised French far right politician Jean-Marie le Pen for his views, condemned modern gays who "moan about what those ghastly heteros put them through", and said that even French prostitutes were not the same in modern France.

"Our lovely, kind street-walkers have been replaced by girls from the east, Nigerians, travellers, transsexuals, drag-queens, bearers of Aids and other friendly gifts," she writes.

"Having a risk-free go is becoming a real exploit."
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STICKSnSCONES
02/20/09

@Penny Plastic: The brush you just felt against your face? That was totally me giving you a big internet kiss on the cheek!

@par3: I think everyone you've commented at understands your point, unforch you don't seem to get theirs. Rationalizing at best, or ignoring at worst, this woman's racism and total disregard for people different than herself is unacceptable. Don't come to the morality table with dirty hands- you'll get sent away.
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rocknrollunicorn
02/20/09

@Penny Plastic: But sheeps are so cute! And lamb is never seen in French cuisine!
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Triphena
02/20/09

@Katxyz: This sounds like it could have been a monologe on the Colbert Report. It's like just beyond belief that someone could say that in earnest.
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bansaiiiiii
02/20/09

@hortense: not to mention her raging homophobia.
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par3
02/22/09

@STICKSnSCONES: i understand everything that's being said about her, i appreciate the facts. i'm sorry to say that her message is a realistic portrayal of the majority of mindsets in europe- i just want to say that an older french woman's concept and understanding of diversity is not that of an americans. i think it's pointless to judge someone's NON-understanding of concepts and stupidity.

the other stuff about the seals i won't disagree with.
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par3
02/22/09

@Katxyz: btw i live in eastern europe. i don't even take offense to this. she's a moron- no doubt but i don't understand what people expect from her. also, what does this have to do with seals?
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par3
02/22/09

@Penny Plastic:

obviously she is out of line but what's to be said for all the "muslin hatin'" bigots of america and anti-muslim notions are are in our daily news? this has nothing to do with the slaughtering of seals or the point of this post. many american politicians/public figures have said worse.
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par3
02/22/09

@bansaiiiiii: what about the homophobia in catholic countries? vatican republic? so we can call them homophobes and bigots even though it's set in their religious beliefs. when we hear about muslim mannerisms that terrify non-muslims we can't comment bc it's bc of their religion or beliefs? when do we decide to defend when to condemn?
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mepo - Robert Cornhole invented it
02/20/09

In reply to Bardot To Big O: Save The Seals
Who haz its bukkit, peepul. I need ansurs.
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Shamrockette
02/20/09

@mepo:
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JessicaLovejoy: Laughing, riding, cornholing!
02/20/09

@mepo: Hee!
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lilbobbytables
02/20/09

In reply to Bardot To Big O: Save The Seals
Ok, I thought that the headline read "Shave the Seals" and I was so confused.
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morninggloria
02/20/09

@lilbobbytables: Well that would get rid of those coats that people are so fond of killing them over.
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lilbobbytables
02/20/09

@morninggloria: True. A good offense is the best defense. If you hear a story about a Minnesotan chasing seals with a lady bic, never fear. It is me!
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lilbobbytables
02/20/09

@lilbobbytables: or it is I.
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morninggloria
02/20/09

In reply to Bardot To Big O: Save The Seals
Join the club, Brigitte.
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BabyJane
02/20/09

@morninggloria: You've sealed your fate with that pun.
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morninggloria
02/20/09

@BabyJane: I couldn't think of any otter thing to say.
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BabyJane
02/20/09

@morninggloria: You're not sea lion.
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morninggloria
02/20/09

@BabyJane: I'm puffin up my chest with pride.
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saintbernadette
02/20/09

@morninggloria: @BabyJane: Will the two of you please quit your blubbering?
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rocknrollunicorn
02/20/09

@morninggloria: @BabyJane: @saintbernadette: These puns get my seal of approval.
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morninggloria
02/20/09

@saintbernadette: Hey, leave us alone. We don't need you coming in here baleen us out.
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saintbernadette
02/20/09

@rocknrollunicorn: @morninggloria: @BabyJane: You're just being so flippered about this whole issue.
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