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    10/28/09

    In reply to The Wendy Williams Show: Embarrassing Production Notes
    If this was anyone other than Angelina Jolie, would we really be debating the ethics of this?

    I come down firmly on the side of Team Boyfriend Was a Dickhole. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    In reply to The Wendy Williams Show: Embarrassing Production Notes
    I heard an interview with Susie Essman of "Curb Your Enthusiasm" recently where she talked about marrying a man with teenage children.

    She said that because teens don't have a fully developed frontal cortex, which impairs judgment as well as other things, living with teens is like having a house full of mentally ill people.

    As someone who escaped teenagerdom not long ago, I remember that although you can think you know what you're doing, later it doesn't make as much sense. It's easy to judge from an adult perspective, but as many have already said in the comments, the adult needs to be the adult in that situation. The burden does not fall on the teenager -- does that give the teen a free pass or make it morally right? No. But the burden of responsibility should not be theirs. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    In reply to The Wendy Williams Show: Embarrassing Production Notes
    I was paying rent and living on my own in NYC at 17, so I probably have a biased opinion of a teenagers ability to make their own decisions, but I remember those days pretty well and I don't recall being as naive and innocent as people seem to presume today's teenagers are. In fact, I think they are probably a lot more intelligent than we were. Angelina Jolie may be a lot of things, including being exceptionally smart, but I would be shocked she believed being a "victim" is one of them. The guy is still a creep, but I doubt Angelina is losing any sleep over it. It seems to me there is a double standard if we say a sixteen year old is responsible enough to convicted as an adult if they commit a serious crime, but if they want to get laid they have no idea what they are doing. I say it's a case by case situation - some teenagers are wise enough and smart enough, and some are not. But making them victims when they don't fell that way themselves seems to be more harmful than the act of sex itself. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    @sensitivitycop: Yes, to all of this. Teenagers aren't as innocent, naive, or stupid as people think they are especially today's teenagers. They can be pretty conniving, malicious, and manipulative when need be. *shrug* I know plenty of 15/16/17 year old's who were dating 21-25 year old's. Trust me when I say none of them were manipulated in any way. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    @sensitivitycop: At 15 I had a boyfriend that was 21, and by 17 I had figured out how much fun it was to flirt with the older men that I worked with. I knew exactly what I was doing and none of my intentions were innocent. If my parents weren't as strict as they were god only knows what kind of trouble I would have gotten into. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    @sensitivitycop: It's not a matter of teenagers being stupid as much as it is that their brains are not fully developed. The parts of their brains that govern judgment and decision making are not fully formed.

    And you know what? I'll come right out and say I was an idiot as a teenager. I don't mean that I didn't know about sex or how to manipulate people or anything like that. I mean that I thought I knew everything about the world and how it worked, and that anyone who told me otherwise was wrong. I don't think I was unusual in that regard.
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    10/28/09

    In reply to The Wendy Williams Show: Embarrassing Production Notes
    Nobody ever fucking liked her. Every one thought she was masturbater. Everyone thought she was a wash up with a stupid fucking show that just about everybody made fun of. Now this is where Wendy Williams Messed the fuck up. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/29/09

    @Hana Maru: wtf? do i want to ask? #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/29/09

    @sheenapunk:
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    you're welcome! #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    In reply to The Wendy Williams Show: Embarrassing Production Notes
    How can people honestly feel this way? Thank God her Producer, at least, has a conscience. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    @viklane: Yeah, he gives me hope, even though she didn't seem to understand what he was actually saying. It's a damn shame that this attitude persists, still: blame the woman, even when there's a massive age and power imbalance. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    In reply to The Wendy Williams Show: Embarrassing Production Notes
    I don't care if the 16 year old in question is a genius, they are still 16. You can not possibly understand the long reaching consequences of your action at that age, and no matter how intelligent the child there will be an unfair power structure at play. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    In reply to The Wendy Williams Show: Embarrassing Production Notes
    I think this tells a lot about Wendy at age 16, no? #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    @PoisonPixie: Eh, not really. It's normal for teens to "test it" sexually. They're still children even if they think of themselves as grown up, though. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    In reply to The Wendy Williams Show: Embarrassing Production Notes
    The "testing it" comment came across really creepy to me. What kind of 16 year olds does this woman know? Sure, teen years are often a time when people start discovering themselves, both in regards to sex and sexuality and otherwise, but her comment and the motion seemed somehow beyond that. The audience's scandalized reaction didn't help, either. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    @miyamyo: somehow I don't think Wendy Williams should be over-universalizing her own experiences as a 16 year old. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    In reply to The Wendy Williams Show: Embarrassing Production Notes
    Angelina isn't stupid by any means. From what I understand from reading her interviews/biographies was that she had a live-in boyfriend by the time she was fourteen. She wasn't even living in the same house as her father or mother when she was sixteen. She was, if only in spirit and not legality, an adult by the time she was sixteen. She certainly seemed capable enough to have had a "relationship" with an older man. I can't really picture her being taken advantage of. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    @Evie Havok: I definitely don't want to remove too much of the agency of a 16 year old I will never know, but all those things also speak to me of lack of present parents and normal boundaries and protection. It's difficult to pull apart what is precociousness and what is trauma or whatever, you know? #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    @J.D.Regent: From what people know of the pre-Maddox years, there was a lot going on with Angelina. From drug stuff to sex stuff to self-harming stuff--I don't think she's shied away from implying that she was forced to be grown up kind of early. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    @Colander: so what does that say to you about the nature of her pursuit of or consent to this relationship if it even did happen? #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    @J.D.Regent: That maybe from zero to twenty-something, there was a bit of looking for 'short-term fixes'. Lord knows what snapped her out of it, but I wouldn't hold the path to where she is now against her. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    @Evie Havok: Regardless of how "grown up" she was, an older man would represent a level of authority that makes consent impossible. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    @Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.: I agree. It's a slippery slope from "this sixteen year old girl had agency because of x,y, and z. and knew what she was doing" to some other scenario where a man claims consent but some coercion, explicit or not, is occurring. Teenagers are not fully emotionally formed and shouldn't be in relationships with those who are full grown adults. There is an inherent power imbalance. Troubled teens in particular seek sexual attention as a replacement for love and connection, and no adult should exploit that hunger for their own benefit. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    @theunsinkableML: This is exactly what I was trying to say. You said it much better. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    In reply to The Wendy Williams Show: Embarrassing Production Notes
    "Just because a girl knows how to imitate a woman, does not mean she's ready to do what a woman does." #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    @Elaken: This is the perfect summation of the argument. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    @Ms Meghan: I agree - when I first heard that line I realized it just summed up this whole issue. Especially when the guy was talking about the girl coming on to him and flirting. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    In reply to The Wendy Williams Show: Embarrassing Production Notes
    Wendy Williams is that annoying friend that seems so "fun" until you go out to drinks with her and she ends up starting a brawl by shouting "WHORE!" at a music legend's wife at House of Blues. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    In reply to The Wendy Williams Show: Embarrassing Production Notes
    Well, I remember being 16 as well, and I certainly wasn't prepared for a sexual relationship with an older man (even if I had thought I was). I'm not saying girls are "stupid" and that they're above exploring their sexuality, but implying that a 16-year-old would not only seek out and initiate a relationship like this on her own (harlot!) but also betray her mother because she's "testing it" is giving teenage girls a lot of credit. There are reasons that statutory rape laws exist! Isn't the evil teenage vixen conceit getting a little old? #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    In reply to The Wendy Williams Show: Embarrassing Production Notes
    If it were me, I would have held up a sign that says, "Morton Wrong."

    Let Marcheline RIP. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    In reply to The Wendy Williams Show: Embarrassing Production Notes
    Assuming this allegation by Morton is even true (big assumption), I doubt a man would just have waited until the child was 16 to have "sex with" her. They prep them. Honestly, what kind of grown man (guessing he was, at least, in his late 30's) would want a teen kid, let alone the child of his girlfriend? Someone who gets off on a big power imbalance.

    I hope this isn't true, I really do. Jolie's history of cutting and whatnot could come in for another round of vicious, online armchair psychology. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    In reply to The Wendy Williams Show: Embarrassing Production Notes
    Ok so when her producer explained that he meant the boyfriend is at fault, since she was 16, Wendy says "Be clear you are absolutely correct. I always believe... that somewhere in a grown man- or woman- sleeping with an underage child, there might have been a history of abuse."

    Does this make sense to anyone? Is she saying that a sexual relationship with an adult and child "might" have a "history of abuse"? or that the adult migth have a history of abuse?

    Am I dim? #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    @thecameralovesyou: That was totally perplexing. She didn't get it, and she doesn't really agree with him. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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    10/28/09

    @thecameralovesyou: I'm with erinoherin on this. I think she misunderstood and was saying that the cheating boyfriend probably had a history of abuse because she thinks men who sleep with underage girls tend to have histories of abuse. The fact that the adult boyfriend might have been abusing Anglenia Jolie in this scenario didn't register, which is bizarre because her language kept emphasizing how extremely young Jolie was at the time: "right out of school" "just 16" etc. #wendywilliamsjudgejudy
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