Proof Positive that the media will stoop to no end to squeeze some bullshit out of the toothpaste. What's next? Michelle hires a magical voodoo priestess and keeps voodoo pin dolls of Barack in her dildo drawer?
Geesh. Can't a black couple simply have unrequited and committed love?
so many women "pushed their bodies up against his, slipped phone numbers into his pockets" and whispered lewd suggestions in his ear, a new book out today claims."
I'm not surprised, and yet I'm still horrified. If I was ever within hand-shaking distance of him or Michelle (or the two of them together) my knees would be knocking and I'd be speechless and embarrassed.
I was scandalized by how warm and dreamy he seems (and still is) during the campaign, even if he's not the earth-shattering second-coming of RFK (without the womanizing, political dynasty scandals, or horrible family curse, please) that people hoped would be (what can we do? the country has moved to the right, and he's a centrist who is nevertheless being compared to Hitler and Bill Ayers alike).
And for all that aforementioned dreaminess I still cannot imagine someone "grabbing his ass", making lewd remarks....I realize he's sexy as hell (not just leader of the free world---good looking, gracious and charming to boot), and I'm still offended by the notion of women (or men) trying to get him to cheat on the mother of his children and his wife of a decade. Especially when that "wife" is Michelle Obama, who we admire in her own right.
This White House family is youthful, charismatic, attractive, and black, so I get the fascination, but most of the media coverage of their marriage still irritates me. I hope they're as happy in real life as they seem in this grating, asinine media coverage, stories from the same people who know that discussing the statuesque Michelle Obama's favorite designers is a ready-made way to fill airtime.
It irritates me because to assume they don't WORK at their marriage or at being good parents is a little condescending, isn't it? (Especially when Michelle was staying home in Chicago and he was a junior senator in Washington...that New Yorker article wasn't simply insulting, it had a lot of things to say about this couple and of Michelle in particular that were humanizing.)
Being leader of the free world at a time like this is probably pretty unpleasant, but apart from that, now that they family is all together in one place and have a new furry addition I hope they to enjoy themselves once in awhile, idiotic "Insider" or Post pieces be damned.
Maybe the "attractive young African-American girl" had a crush on Obama but it wasn't requited so she left because it felt awkward? I've been in a situation or two like that-an older man I admire so much he makes me intellectually horny-well, vaginally horny too, I suppose. Maybe she didn't think she could be around Obama anymore without embarrassing herself?
I don't know why I'm focusing on that particular not-that-scandalous bit. But if I had a crush on someone, and was sure his wife knew about it, I would be a little embarrassed regardless.
The "Yes we can!" slogan was Michelle's idea, and she pushed for it even though David Axelrod "thought it was childish and corny." (The fact that Axelrod apparently assumed "childish and corny" wouldn't appeal to the American public makes me wonder about his qualifications.)
This makes me think of Dustin Hoffman's character in "Wag the Dog," when someone dismisses his presidential speech: "Corny? Of course it's corny! We wouldn't have him say the flippin thing if it wasn't corny!"
You haven't heard this dalliance story before? There were definitely some small reports coming out during the campaign about this type of behavior, mostly from campaign workers. I don't think they ever wanted to provide info to opposition, but there was certainly some inside-joking about this on the internet and in DC circles... I don't know how much I believe it or if it even matters, but it did surface a bit during the campaign.
@LaFemme: Right, but the fact that it only "surfaced a bit" suggests strongly that there was no there there, since it would have been front page news for days or weeks if anyone had dug up real dirt.
You show me a couple who, after 17 years of marriage, have never hit a rough patch where at least the consideration of splitting up occurred, I'll show you a couple who is lying.
@BlackLadyBug: My parents have admitted that they did, but they are still together and celebrated their 33 anniversary this year. A coupld who gets through the rough patch generally has a stronger relationship because they can communicate and deal with the crappy stuff as well as the good.
"What's odd is that our first non-white first family is really the most all-American, down-to-earth couple we've ever had in the White House."
That's not only a ridiculous statement, it's borderline offensive. So what, we're expected to believe it wouldn't be odd if they were white? This wouldn't have even made it into the book if this was a portrait of George and Laura(who I will add do seem to also have a boring, normal marriage).
@EkaterinaBallerina: God, I so agree! What did people expect, that having a black couple in the White House was going to be like an episode of "Martin"? These writers are so fucking idiotic. I want to hulksmash them.
@EkaterinaBallerina: Don't you know? All black men are unreliable and got childrens all over town, and all black women are welfare queens who just have another baby every few years to stay in the system! And don't get me started on those illegal immigrants! Those people are just not as morally sound as our kind.
@EkaterinaBallerina: The sentiment that a black couple can stand as the paradigm of marital bliss shoudn't be odd, this is true.
I wonder though if this statement is a reflection of the author trying to sort out the socially-ingrained picture of "all-american" he's probably grown up with (I think I'm assuming the author's white) with his realization that the people he's found who best reflect those values (a couple who's black) are people who are not seen in the forefront when those values are normally discussed in the contexts he hears.
I'm positting some things here w/o evidence because his quote comes across mostly as confused--as if he's trying to reconsile something he knows is common sense (that is, that a black couple can be all-american and down to earth) and the impressions and imagry associated with the concept of "all-american" (which I would assume for a lot of Americans means a WASP family.)
If people find this offensive, I won't argue against that, but I just wanted to point out that I hear a struggle in this statement, and so I think that explains (partly) why it comes out sounding silly.
I'm stealing this from someone else, but to be honest, this strikes me as the same old song about men we adore that we always sing, "And His Girlfriend/Wife Is A Bitch." Note that all their (likely fictional) "marital difficulties" are "her fault," with the silent treatment et al, while any mention of his conduct is irrelevant for these bottom feeders. This is why this smells so bad from the get-go; undoubtedly some actual investigation would have turned up more marital fighting than just Michelle's "silent treatment." NEWSFLASH: People in relationships fight, and people outside the relationship have zero credibility on their opinions about what such fights are about.
Michelle Williams recently got this treatment in an extremely unclassy article by Vanity Fair, in which Terry Gilliam opines at length about her supposed bitchery in the face of His Greatness. It nagged me then, the "And His Girlfriend/Wife Is A Bitch," and it nags me now.
@PilgrimSoul: I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing about the Michelle Williams treatment in Vanity Fair. Oh, Heath, the loveable man child (doing drugs & being generally irresponsible while being a dad), & Michelle that bitch!!!
@PilgrimSoul: That reminds me of the time Yoko Ono destroyed the Beatles. And that other time when Bill Clinton couldn't help but cheat because Hillary Clinton was so uptight. And this one time? Courtney Love either killed Kurt Cobain because she's crazy, or drove him to suicide because she's such a bitch. And he wrote her album.
@PilgrimSoul: That profile made me hate Terry Gilliam more than I already did. What the fuck was his problem? Neither Heath nor Michelle ever had a negative thing to say about the other in public. What did Gilliam (and his daughter if I remember correctly) think anyone had to gain from that?
Same for this profile. It's ridiculous, especially with this author seemingly placing the blame on her.
@Penny: You know what I noticed? She never even responded to the article. Far as I can tell, the Vogue profile makes no mention of it. She didn't even stoop down to their level of insults and join in. Classy in my opinion. At least she remembers that there's a child in the middle of this who's memory of her late father will have to be formed out of stories and old interviews.
"What's odd is that our first non-white first family is really the most all-American, down-to-earth couple we've ever had in the White House." This is odd, why? Black people: They're just like us!
I'm of the mind that happy marriages kind of need to be boring. I've done those passionate, insane relationships, and while those might work out for 10% of people in the long run, they usually don't result in years and years of marriage.
@Penny: I agree. I'm happy to be boring, because boring means content but grateful, having everyday fun like watching TV and goofing off bantering Simpsons quotes to each other. Having fun going to the grocery store. Mocking the cat together. I'll take it over drama any day.
@Penny: I feel like the key thing is the difference between "boring" and "monotonous." Or at least, where "boring" just means "uneventful."
I took a lot of Astronomy in high school and college and you learn pretty early on that the big, bright, hot, tumultuous stars are the ones that go *boom* and have a supernova and a short (in star terms) lifespan. I always thought that relationships were just like that: if you want one to last for a long time it should be steady, like the sun, but still bright.
Definitely had a couple of supernova relationships in college, though. They were worth it, at the time.
@Penny: Yep. My last few weekends with Mr. Ruthless have consisted of dog walking, house painting, and watching Netflix. Plus he helps me with math. True story: I knew it was serious when he helped me figure out how to make a graph on Excel.
@Penny: Right on. I had a five-year, passionate love/hate relationship with a dude I truly adored. I ultimately left because the bullshit just wasn't worth it. That was eight years ago, and thankfully I found true happiness, much like that described by BHB. Rock on, loving, normal, comfortable, respectful relationship!
@babyruthless: Hah. My current partner told me it was serious when we went grocery shopping together. But I was like, dude, I'm a grocery store slut, I'll take any pretty little thing out to buy oreos any day of the week.
But, yes. My old roommate had one of those "passionate" on-off drama-relationships. It was so annoying. It's like, one day she was done with him, the next day he was the love of her life. I've always found that people in those relationships have watched too many movies, and think that to be in a Passionate, Sexxy Relationship there needs to be tons of drama, and actually believe that there's a fine line between love and hate. Because, there isn't. I love my friends, I hate Dick Cheney. Not a fine line. A very wide line, in fact.
Plus, in my experience, "boring" relationships that are based on such prosaic things as mutual affection, love, respect, enjoying time together, good conversation, etc, tend to have better sex than ones based on narcissistic ideas of who your partner is rather than any actual human connection. But then I really can't stand my old roommate. So I could be judgy.
Right, this isn't meant to sound accusatory or judgemental, I am truly interested to hear what others think: can anyone here who has got married explain to me why they did it? Cos I just cannot think of a single reason that isn't tax-related why I need to marry my partner rather than just continue to live together and in love for as long as it makes us happy to do so. Meanwhile I can think of lots of reasons why marriage seems at best unnecessary and at worst patriarchal . Obviously some people here think differently and I would like to hear a few feminist arguments in favour of marriage just to challenge my views!
I got married at 21...3 months after college. I had been dating my husband for 2 years, and it seemed like the right time to us. Now, it is 8 years later: I have an MD; he has a JD. Being poor wasn't so stressful as we went through school because we didn't know much better. That is the benefit of youth :) I will say that I think the best decision we could have made was not rushing towards having children. There was enough stress - getting two graduate degrees would not have been practical with a baby in tow.
I think you can be an educated, career-driven woman who is married. You just have to find the right guy who shares your priorities.
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I'm not surprised, and yet I'm still horrified. If I was ever within hand-shaking distance of him or Michelle (or the two of them together) my knees would be knocking and I'd be speechless and embarrassed.
I was scandalized by how warm and dreamy he seems (and still is) during the campaign, even if he's not the earth-shattering second-coming of RFK (without the womanizing, political dynasty scandals, or horrible family curse, please) that people hoped would be (what can we do? the country has moved to the right, and he's a centrist who is nevertheless being compared to Hitler and Bill Ayers alike).
And for all that aforementioned dreaminess I still cannot imagine someone "grabbing his ass", making lewd remarks....I realize he's sexy as hell (not just leader of the free world---good looking, gracious and charming to boot), and I'm still offended by the notion of women (or men) trying to get him to cheat on the mother of his children and his wife of a decade. Especially when that "wife" is Michelle Obama, who we admire in her own right.
This White House family is youthful, charismatic, attractive, and black, so I get the fascination, but most of the media coverage of their marriage still irritates me. I hope they're as happy in real life as they seem in this grating, asinine media coverage, stories from the same people who know that discussing the statuesque Michelle Obama's favorite designers is a ready-made way to fill airtime.
It irritates me because to assume they don't WORK at their marriage or at being good parents is a little condescending, isn't it? (Especially when Michelle was staying home in Chicago and he was a junior senator in Washington...that New Yorker article wasn't simply insulting, it had a lot of things to say about this couple and of Michelle in particular that were humanizing.)
Being leader of the free world at a time like this is probably pretty unpleasant, but apart from that, now that they family is all together in one place and have a new furry addition I hope they to enjoy themselves once in awhile, idiotic "Insider" or Post pieces be damned.
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I don't know why I'm focusing on that particular not-that-scandalous bit. But if I had a crush on someone, and was sure his wife knew about it, I would be a little embarrassed regardless.
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This makes me think of Dustin Hoffman's character in "Wag the Dog," when someone dismisses his presidential speech: "Corny? Of course it's corny! We wouldn't have him say the flippin thing if it wasn't corny!"
And then it makes all the secretaries cry.
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Minus the power and all, of course.
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That's not only a ridiculous statement, it's borderline offensive. So what, we're expected to believe it wouldn't be odd if they were white? This wouldn't have even made it into the book if this was a portrait of George and Laura(who I will add do seem to also have a boring, normal marriage).
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I wonder though if this statement is a reflection of the author trying to sort out the socially-ingrained picture of "all-american" he's probably grown up with (I think I'm assuming the author's white) with his realization that the people he's found who best reflect those values (a couple who's black) are people who are not seen in the forefront when those values are normally discussed in the contexts he hears.
I'm positting some things here w/o evidence because his quote comes across mostly as confused--as if he's trying to reconsile something he knows is common sense (that is, that a black couple can be all-american and down to earth) and the impressions and imagry associated with the concept of "all-american" (which I would assume for a lot of Americans means a WASP family.)
If people find this offensive, I won't argue against that, but I just wanted to point out that I hear a struggle in this statement, and so I think that explains (partly) why it comes out sounding silly.
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And Newt Gingrich. And Trent Lott.
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IMO, the cognitive dissonance doesn't make it any less offensive, though.
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Michelle Williams recently got this treatment in an extremely unclassy article by Vanity Fair, in which Terry Gilliam opines at length about her supposed bitchery in the face of His Greatness. It nagged me then, the "And His Girlfriend/Wife Is A Bitch," and it nags me now.
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Same for this profile. It's ridiculous, especially with this author seemingly placing the blame on her.
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Good one, Kate. Seriously - that was ridonkulous.
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I took a lot of Astronomy in high school and college and you learn pretty early on that the big, bright, hot, tumultuous stars are the ones that go *boom* and have a supernova and a short (in star terms) lifespan. I always thought that relationships were just like that: if you want one to last for a long time it should be steady, like the sun, but still bright.
Definitely had a couple of supernova relationships in college, though. They were worth it, at the time.
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But, yes. My old roommate had one of those "passionate" on-off drama-relationships. It was so annoying. It's like, one day she was done with him, the next day he was the love of her life. I've always found that people in those relationships have watched too many movies, and think that to be in a Passionate, Sexxy Relationship there needs to be tons of drama, and actually believe that there's a fine line between love and hate. Because, there isn't. I love my friends, I hate Dick Cheney. Not a fine line. A very wide line, in fact.
Plus, in my experience, "boring" relationships that are based on such prosaic things as mutual affection, love, respect, enjoying time together, good conversation, etc, tend to have better sex than ones based on narcissistic ideas of who your partner is rather than any actual human connection. But then I really can't stand my old roommate. So I could be judgy.
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I think you can be an educated, career-driven woman who is married. You just have to find the right guy who shares your priorities.