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NotChoinski
01/28/09

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...gives everything but the label 'seperate but equal'.

okay, this is the time obama can drop the middle of the road shit that was tolerable in order to get elected.

remember, when obama was born his parents marraige rights were not recognized (or dicked around with) in what, a dozen states?

just sayin'
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JinxyMcDeath
01/28/09

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My dad said the same thing "Everything but marriage" and I go "um but you can get wasted drunk pop ecstacy and marry your 2nd cousin and call that a marriage but you don't think two men can call it marriage?" And he was all "I...uh...can't explain it...but yea no marriage." And then he said something about probably being homophobic and ran away.
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MissyMcCLung
01/28/09

@JinxyMcDeath: ooh - I had the same conversation with my mother in law.
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Ipomoea
01/28/09

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This is a step in the right direction for WA I think it was either last year or 2007 that the state Supreme Court said that marriage between a man and a woman was in the state's best interest because the state had a stake in population.... it basically translated to "we want straight people to keep getting married so they can keep having kids!" conveniently forgetting that people have been having kids out of wedlock since time immemorial.
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Ipomoea
01/28/09

@Ipomoea:: insert mental commas as needed.
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meritxell: an erotic life
01/28/09

@Ipomoea:: I remember that. It was like the most terribleist reasoning ever. And then some group tried to point out the absurdity by sponsoring a bill saying that married couples had to have kids in 3 years or else have their marriage revoked.
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NefariousNewt
01/28/09

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We can all see this for what it is and while someone out there might think this gets Washington state off the hook don't bet on it. This is only the first salvo in the new push to recognize gay rights nationally.
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mepo - Robert Cornhole invented it
01/28/09

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So Sammy Cahn's song will now be "Love and Everything but Marriage".
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LaComtesse
01/28/09

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I'm reminded strongly of a time when blacks had "everything but" access to places with a "Whites Only" sign.
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mepo - Robert Cornhole invented it
01/28/09

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I don't understand how religion gained complete ownership of the term marriage. The civil tradition goes back at least to ancient Greece. As someone who is having a civil ceremony it galls me that even as a heterosexual they have lain claim to my union.
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fulanita
01/28/09

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Honestly the state should not be in the business of "marriage" in the first place. Just call them all "domestic partnerships" legally then people are free to get "married" by a church should they so choose. This would at lease but a halt to the war of semantics.
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Residentdrunkgirl
01/28/09

@fulanita: Yes. I was trying to say this before but it came across rather unclear I think. I'm not on East coast time... it's early here...
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jgh
01/28/09

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My dyke aunt (who has been partnered for many many years) is obviously not representative of all teh gheyz everywhere but says the rights are more important to her than the "marriage" title. After all she says a name is just a name but legal rights aren't exactly abstract concepts.

Not sure if I totally agree but I admire her pragmatism.

Also I worry that other gay rights (like the right to not be fired based on sexuality) will not be protected b/c so much of the focus is on marriage. There are still so many states where it is 100% legal to be fired for being gay. So many basic rights are still not ensured.

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jgh
01/28/09

@jgh: Well a legal right is an abstract concept but actually exercising those rights (i.e. having them) affects you in the real world. Just wanted to clarify
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snoozle
01/28/09

@jgh:
Seriously? It's still legal to be fired for being gay?!
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Remedios Varo can't see no huevos.
01/28/09

@snoozle: Yes it is and it's unfortunate. At the moment there is no federal law protecting GLBT people in the workplace. There has been an effort made to right that wrong but the government's attempt so far has been rather laughable. Google 'ENDA' if you want to find out more.
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BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit)
01/28/09

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No matter what you call it fundies it still means the gays are doing the dirty dirty sex. So get the fuck over it and call it marriage!!

/sarcasm on that first bit. Although I do hope the sex is dirty because it's fun that way.
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PandaGrrl
01/28/09

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I think all of us who get "married" outside of a religious institution (gay or straight) should have domestic partnerships. If the religious want to co-opt the term "marriage" so be it. But then every state should stay out of the business of marrying people entirely.

AND I also think that states should only recognize unions performed by state officials. You want your priest/rabbi/ minister to "marry" you fine but you also have to get the state license for (insert neutral term) in order to get any tax benefits or additional rights. (And the state official has to sign off on the state license.)
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J.D.Regent
01/28/09

@PandaGrrl: I totally agree. I would also like the option to form a domestic partnership that is not based on an erotic or romantic attachment like an aunt and a niece or whatever who want to live together and throw in their lot economically.

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Majrhoulihan
01/28/09

@PandaGrrl: AGREED!
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stacyinbean
01/28/09

@J.D.Regent: Oooh that's smart too!
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MissyMcCLung
01/28/09

@PandaGrrl: As a gay-rights loving religious person here I am in complete agreement.
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Residentdrunkgirl
01/28/09

@PandaGrrl: You have to get "marriage license" with the state before you are legally married in most states now correct? (Except common law marriage states - completely different there). Isn't that effectively the same thing as what a "insert neutral term here" license would be?

We could just change the name of the form to domestic partnership license and let everyone do have it. Then crazies can go get "married" and it's like "okay congrats to you" but marriage only matters in the eyes of the lord.

Or something. They took 4 of the kittahs away in the live kitty feed! I hope they come back.
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LaComtesse
01/28/09

@PandaGrrl: Marriages were civil set ups throughout Europe until the Middle Ages. Church involvement came later and it is not intrinsic to traditional Christian worship. Churches are already free not to marry anyone they wish based on their religious/personal objections. Gay marriage would be no different.

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Ailatan
01/28/09

@PandaGrrl: We have that here in my country and the official marriage is the one performed by a judge in town hall. If you want a religious wedding it's an extra thing that has to be arranged (I didn't cause neither of us are religious or showy)
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TheFormerJuneBronson
01/28/09

@LaComtesse: It was also a civil affair in Puritan colonies. They had to wait for a judge or magistrate to be there to marry people which is why they had such a high number of women who were pregnant at their weddings. The idea of being married in the church was seen as a return to Catholic sacramental practice and they didn't want that. That's really what baffles me. There is hardly a history of agreement about religion in marriage across Protestant denominations let alone in general and yet somehow they're managed to make this particular argument about it now and get people to throw in with it. My feeling is that it's plain cultural xenophobia and religion is just a convenient and powerful hanger for it.
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mepo - Robert Cornhole invented it
01/28/09

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Washington State To Give Gays "Everything But"...the girl.
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raesanni
01/28/09

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"Separate but equal" didn't work the first time!
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NefariousNewt
01/28/09

@raysanni: @Kivrin: @whatwouldjanedo: "Separate but equal" does not work but it is the starting point for equality. This thing will get passed there will be a collective sigh... and then the lawsuits will begin and this issue will be forced to the Supreme Court of the United States. The journey of a thousand miles begins with one step.
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raesanni
01/28/09

@NefariousNewt: yah i understand that... which is why i gave props afterward. It just sucks that civil rights movements take so long especially since we're on the 3rd major one of this kind!
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NefariousNewt
01/28/09

@raysanni: Well let's hope this means we're getting better at it!
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bluewine
01/28/09

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So if it's essentially marriage but you don't use the word "marriage" it's somehow more OK to those who oppose it?

I just don't understand conservatives...
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labeled
01/28/09

@bluewine: Yes it's all about the SANCTITY! And we know the gays can't have SANCTITY.
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margareita metermaid
01/28/09

@bluewine: Yep. Their brains are really that reductive.
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bluewine
01/28/09

@margareita1: So should we just start calling abortion something different and call it a day?
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margareita metermaid
01/28/09

@bluewine: That's not a bad idea. Fetus anti-stimulus package procedure.
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sportz.star
01/28/09

@bluewine: It's not just "convservatives." My mom a frgual Yankee from Massachusetts who has never and will never vote for a Republican in her life is uncomfortable with the use of the word "marriage." Not that she a woman with a doctorate in education can articulate why but it makes her uncomfortbale. She has zero qualms with civil unions. She'll come around I think and I also think it's purely generational -- but there's something about the word that affects more than just how "conservatives" view the issue.
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bluewine
01/28/09

@sportz.star: That's a good point. I actually have a harder time understanding that point of view possibly because it does seem to be mostly generational.
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GoldenRatioφ (aka -girl11)
01/28/09

@labeled: Seriously the fact that "sanctity" is basically reduced to terminology makes my head spin. I mean I agree with Katy not going to complain too loudly about the stupidity of the logic because it is a bit of a win but JESUS CHRIST all this commotion over the religious connotations of a word!?
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labeled
01/28/09

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Here's to steps in the right direction anyway.
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