I have to admit to being sickly fascinated by the coming clusterfuck. On the other hand, I vote in PA, and all week I've been obsessing about what I'll have to move around in my schedule to get to my polling place in the afternoon, when I *think* the lines might be shorter. And hopefully the machines (the paper-trail-less machines) will be working.
Also, I apparently need to call the Ohio Board of Elections and tell them to DROP MY NAME FROM THEIR GODDAMN VOTER ROLLS, b/c they keep calling me (in Pennsylvania) about my vote. Ohio, yr doin' it wrong. (Then again, I was a white person registered in a wealthy Republican town...their favorite flavor of voter.)
For what its worth, IFES, the International Foundation for Electoral Systems, which is one of the biggest/most awesome election monitoring organization in the world, IS active in the US - [www.ifes.org] - they're clearly saying that they want to do more, but its kind of encouraging that they're active at all?
Also, our election problems, while ridiculous, are nothing compared to some parts of the world ...
I know the diebold machines are outdated and horrible and inefficient, but this is the first time i'm not voting by absentee and i'm really really looking forward to using an actual voting machine :)
Back in 2004, my Grandma called me up on Election Day and told me there was a bomb threat in downtown PHX that evacuated a K-8 school and closed a polling place. I Googled it a bunch of times that day and watched the news @ 6 and 10 - no mention.
The next day, I found a website of a TUC (90 miles away form PHX) TV station that mentioned it. So I called the Sheriff's PR Sergeant and she confirmed it... Started to make me wonder what would happen if such a tactic might have been employed nationally, or even just statewide, targeting very specific polling places, but never got any coverage. Scary.
What fucking kills me is this: This is how the Republicans want to win? By stopping people from voting? So that even if they're in power, the majority of the population doesn't want them there? The mind boggles.
Also: Democracy, it ain't that difficult and the U.S. is not a banana republic. Other countries manage to hold elections without all this shit. The Republicans should be ashamed of themselves. Amoral soulless dickwads.
@Trixie from Toronto: While I'm sure there are Republicans out there who are completely pissed that their party won't stay the course of fairness, let's be honest... it worked for Bush last time.
Political memories are horribly short, thankfully Dems tend to be better at the 'Lest we forget' rule and actually LEARN LESSONS.
Sorry for getting all Caps-y. I'm so stressed by needing Obama to landslide this, and I'm from the friggin UK!
I wont be sending my friend this. She's already spitting tacks about the fact her absentee vote for Ohio was not accepted for some unknown reason. She may hit the roof if she realises that Ohio is the biggest swingiest state.
I don't get why this is not embarrassing, I would be so ashamed if the best way to ensure my victory was to disenfranchise voters-what does that say about the candidate or the system? Quite frankly, so many recent events have made me lean toward benign dictatorship...
This post is functioning like a little angel on my shoulder right now. armed with this information, I just helped my (super-nice) Repub colleague through her voting issues. Acting on principle, I'z tryin to do it.
Still, this is all giving me a stomach ache. Well, this and the 4 servings of candy corn.
They are not kidding about the long early voting lines in Florida. I waited almost three hours, and have heard of some people waiting 4 and 5 hours to vote. It's insane.
There is a lot of upsetting stuff in this post, but people need to remember that the US voting system works in the vast, vast majority of cases.
Just to give an example, the number of GA voters thrown off the rolls is less than 1% of the total voters in GA. I'm still very concerned about it, but I do not think it justifies posts from people saying the the US needs to call in the UN or "Why don't you vote like us Canadians?"
@clevernamehere: I just think that, if we were to hear about thousands of people having their basic right to vote subverted in another country, we'd scoff and belittle them and their ability to govern themselves and pat ourselves on the back for how much better we are (and I mean 'we' being "Real Amurricans")
As it turns out? Not so much. Well, actually, the voting rights of "Real Amurricans" are probably safe, seeing whereas they all vote McCain.
@clevernamehere: Considering that less than 45% of eligible voters in the US voted in the last election, I would disagree that the system is working BUT the system in Canada is at least as fucked up just in different ways (Hello unelected senate, some foreign queen as our head of state, total lack of proportional representation, low voter turn out, I could go on but wont).
My point isn't that voter suppression isn't a problem in the US, just that it isn't only a problem in the US or a problem so severe that the UN needs to step in.
I think its great that Jez pointed out that voters in WV should double check their ballots and that people are posting voter hotlines, but the US election system is not a disaster area on par with Bosnia in 1996.
@pssshwhatever: The most vile and ignorant conservative pundits are not representative of the country as a whole.
I feel fortunate right now to be living in California, but I am still going to be prepared. I had difficulty in the pres. election in 2000, where they claimed I did not exist (I was at the right place, I checked that first), but after some hasty, angry calls, I discovered that the polling place did not have the most recent list. I got to vote, but wasn't sure how to follow up and ensure that my vote counted.
I am SO EXCITED to vote this time!! *Paid for the Committee of UnReal Americans for Change.
Can someone please explain voting machines? Every time I've voted up here in Canada, I get a piece of paper, go behind a small screen, mark my x, and place it in a cardboard box while a volunteer from Elections Canada watches me. Isn't simple usually best?
@littlemissvan: Yes, but it makes it much harder for Republican-supporting machine manufacturers like Diebold to steal elections and subvert democracy. So, naturally, we can't have that.
@littlemissvan: There are several varities. Some have little levers that you push for each vote that you are making, and then a huge lever that you pull down which finalizes your vote. These machines tend to have a curtain around them.
Then there are touch-screen machines, that sort of work like making selections at your ATM. They tend to be semi-private, with no curtain, which I HATE.
Personally, those are the only two types that I've used.
@littlemissvan: That's much easier to implement in Canada because Canada has a far sparser population. Hand-counting the ballots actually works. Such a system would not be feasible in many parts of the US.
@pssshwhatever: Elections were just as easy to fix back in the days of hand-counting paper ballots in the US. There were times when entire boxes of ballots were dumped into the river!
Mind you, Diebold is a horrible, incompetent company that isn't fit to make a slide rule, never mind voting machines. But machines don't steal elections, people do. It is perfectly possible to create a system of voting machines that's secure, reliable and allows us to conduct elections efficiently.
Look, we use machines to handle trillions of dollars, sustain life and even deliver delicious pornography. They're not inherently unworthy of handling elections. It's the people in charge that we have to watch.
@Kilotwat: Oh I don't mind the machines at all, in fact, I think that in the hands of a different company, they're much preferable to basically any other way of dong it.
@pssshwhatever: I've never had to use a Diebold voting machine. But I tried to use a Diebold ATM once, the thing would not work. I'm not actually worried about Diebold rigging the machines, they're so incompetent that if they tried, it'd probably wound up with the opposite result! I do, however, mind that Diebold machines break down easily and delay voting.
Some recommendations I have to make voting easier in the US:
Federal elections should all take place under the same rules! Unify and simplify.
Election day should be a national holiday.
Require all states to have 2 weeks (including weekends) of early voting before election day. Using the same polling locations as they do on election day.
Ban the process of poll challengers entirely. Challengers are people who are allowed to raise questions about someone's right to vote, forcing that person to prove his/her eligibility or risk losing his/her vote. It should be up to the board of election to vet everybody in a uniform and non-partisan way, not allow partisan challengers to do it.
Nationalize the database to see who's voted, who hasn't, etc.
Which allows us to... eliminate voter registration entirely. Do like North Dakota, people can just show up, sign an affidavit, show proof if they're asked, and vote. There is no voter registration in North Dakota, at all. The same deal should apply everywhere.
There are, of course, tons of ways to improve voting machines. But that's pretty well-covered by other people, so I won't go into it.
@SmaženýSýr: That would not work for many Jewish voters. I think it's a good idea to keep it on a day that's normally active, so it can be specially set aside for an election.
@Kilotwat: These are great! The problem is our federalist system. It will be very difficult to get states to relinquish that much power to the federal government.
@kreuzkölln: They wouldn't be easy to get through for that and so many other reasons. But, on a legal basis, I'd argue amendments 14, 15, 19, 24, and 26 authorizes the US congress to enact all those things.
@Kilotwat: Well clearly something needs to be done and your list is a great place to start. So would this involve introducing federal legislation or coming up with a Supreme Court case?
@kreuzkölln: It'd probably have to be federal legislation to enact all those specific recommendations of mine. But the Supreme Court could potentially help out on a few of them, like they can potentially rule that the challenger system violates the amendments I listed above. And the Supreme Court can always order the legislature to overhaul the voting system, with the same results.
@Kilotwat: There's actually a pretty good reason Election Day is not a national holiday: Researchers are pretty sure it would drive voting rates way, way down, not raise them. People would simply take Monday off and give themselves a four-day weekend, instead of voting.
@Kilotwat: Require all states to have 2 weeks (including weekends) of early voting before election day. Using the same polling locations as they do on election day.
I was thinking about this just today, in the context of "EARLY voting has five-hour waits in many states this year," but it's not really feasible. I don't know about where you're from but in the town I grew up in -- a highly educated suburb very nearly mooshed into Boston -- all elementary schools and all churches were polling places. The gym, library, and cafeteria were off-limits to us kids on election days; my parents voted in the basement of a Methodist church and I remember what a zoo that was. I just don't think it's feasible, sadly, to convert the polling places for that long a period of time.
That said, it would be nice to mandate evening and weekend hours for early voting, or more early mail-in ballots. Who has the personal / vacation time to take an extra day off at the end of October?
@queenjulie: That study was based on a handful of elections in Portugal, hardly representative. And clearly in the US, for a couple of elections now, there are many people who do want to vote but can't vote because of various artificial obstacles. Making it a holiday, would in fact make it easier for a lot of those people to vote. And it's important to at least let the ones who want to vote do so with minimum fuss.
@EtoilePB: Oh you're right about that being unfeasible. Even my voting place usually serves other purposes. Early voting locations are usually government offices of one kind or another, from what I gather. I only stipulated they should be the same location because I was worried voters would get confused about where they go to vote. But then as per my other suggestion of eliminating voter registration and having a national voting database, voters should be able to vote from any polling location (right now, voters can fucked up for having gone to the wrong polling place). That's another important thing for voting places to have: flexibility.
@Kilotwat: Also with the problem of locations that EtoilePB brought up, where would we get the pollworkers to make this early voting process feasible? I mean I totally agree with you about trying to nationalize the system, but I know that in Dutchess County, a large percent of the staffing for the elections is because of a concerted effort by the three local colleges in recruiting students to work for the day. I'm working this election (also voting for president for the first time) and I don't know how I'm going to pull this whole thing off. Not to mention that the new ballot machines are basically intense computers that most of the older pollworkers have no idea how to work. I'm just praying for no paper jams.
I don't know what will happen with those 50,000 people in Georgia, but I can tell you that in Athens, GA today, the early voting lines at both polling places the county had open were BOTH down the block and wrapped around the corner. And we ARE NOT a county of McCain supporters - Athens-Clarke County voted 2-1 for Kerry in 2004, and he wasn't even a particularly good candidate. Lots of voters turning out here means only ONE thing: lots of votes for Obama in a state that might, might, might swing.
@pssshwhatever: from your lips to Sarah Palin's imaginary friend's ears.
I'm a Georgia girl living up north now and I'd give anything to see Athens and Atlanta make Georgia blue. Although getting rid of Saxby Chambliss would be acceptable as a consolation prize.
@Sapphir3blu3:@pssshwhatever: It took me almost three hours to vote in Fulton County last week. The line was insane, but every single person that I talked to in that line was voting for Obama. A blue Georgia, while unlikely, would be the most amazing miracle ever!
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Also, I apparently need to call the Ohio Board of Elections and tell them to DROP MY NAME FROM THEIR GODDAMN VOTER ROLLS, b/c they keep calling me (in Pennsylvania) about my vote. Ohio, yr doin' it wrong. (Then again, I was a white person registered in a wealthy Republican town...their favorite flavor of voter.)
11/01/08
Also, our election problems, while ridiculous, are nothing compared to some parts of the world ...
I know the diebold machines are outdated and horrible and inefficient, but this is the first time i'm not voting by absentee and i'm really really looking forward to using an actual voting machine :)
11/01/08
The next day, I found a website of a TUC (90 miles away form PHX) TV station that mentioned it. So I called the Sheriff's PR Sergeant and she confirmed it... Started to make me wonder what would happen if such a tactic might have been employed nationally, or even just statewide, targeting very specific polling places, but never got any coverage. Scary.
10/31/08
Also: Democracy, it ain't that difficult and the U.S. is not a banana republic. Other countries manage to hold elections without all this shit. The Republicans should be ashamed of themselves. Amoral soulless dickwads.
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Political memories are horribly short, thankfully Dems tend to be better at the 'Lest we forget' rule and actually LEARN LESSONS.
Sorry for getting all Caps-y. I'm so stressed by needing Obama to landslide this, and I'm from the friggin UK!
10/31/08
Anyhow, if these states succeed ... there IS always Canada, eh?
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Still, this is all giving me a stomach ache. Well, this and the 4 servings of candy corn.
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Just to give an example, the number of GA voters thrown off the rolls is less than 1% of the total voters in GA. I'm still very concerned about it, but I do not think it justifies posts from people saying the the US needs to call in the UN or "Why don't you vote like us Canadians?"
10/31/08
As it turns out? Not so much. Well, actually, the voting rights of "Real Amurricans" are probably safe, seeing whereas they all vote McCain.
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I think its great that Jez pointed out that voters in WV should double check their ballots and that people are posting voter hotlines, but the US election system is not a disaster area on par with Bosnia in 1996.
@pssshwhatever: The most vile and ignorant conservative pundits are not representative of the country as a whole.
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I am SO EXCITED to vote this time!! *Paid for the Committee of UnReal Americans for Change.
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Then there are touch-screen machines, that sort of work like making selections at your ATM. They tend to be semi-private, with no curtain, which I HATE.
Personally, those are the only two types that I've used.
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@pssshwhatever: Elections were just as easy to fix back in the days of hand-counting paper ballots in the US. There were times when entire boxes of ballots were dumped into the river!
Mind you, Diebold is a horrible, incompetent company that isn't fit to make a slide rule, never mind voting machines. But machines don't steal elections, people do. It is perfectly possible to create a system of voting machines that's secure, reliable and allows us to conduct elections efficiently.
Look, we use machines to handle trillions of dollars, sustain life and even deliver delicious pornography. They're not inherently unworthy of handling elections. It's the people in charge that we have to watch.
10/31/08
It's Diebold that I mind.
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Federal elections should all take place under the same rules! Unify and simplify.
Election day should be a national holiday.
Require all states to have 2 weeks (including weekends) of early voting before election day. Using the same polling locations as they do on election day.
Ban the process of poll challengers entirely. Challengers are people who are allowed to raise questions about someone's right to vote, forcing that person to prove his/her eligibility or risk losing his/her vote. It should be up to the board of election to vet everybody in a uniform and non-partisan way, not allow partisan challengers to do it.
Nationalize the database to see who's voted, who hasn't, etc.
Which allows us to... eliminate voter registration entirely. Do like North Dakota, people can just show up, sign an affidavit, show proof if they're asked, and vote. There is no voter registration in North Dakota, at all. The same deal should apply everywhere.
There are, of course, tons of ways to improve voting machines. But that's pretty well-covered by other people, so I won't go into it.
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I was thinking about this just today, in the context of "EARLY voting has five-hour waits in many states this year," but it's not really feasible. I don't know about where you're from but in the town I grew up in -- a highly educated suburb very nearly mooshed into Boston -- all elementary schools and all churches were polling places. The gym, library, and cafeteria were off-limits to us kids on election days; my parents voted in the basement of a Methodist church and I remember what a zoo that was. I just don't think it's feasible, sadly, to convert the polling places for that long a period of time.
That said, it would be nice to mandate evening and weekend hours for early voting, or more early mail-in ballots. Who has the personal / vacation time to take an extra day off at the end of October?
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I'm a Georgia girl living up north now and I'd give anything to see Athens and Atlanta make Georgia blue. Although getting rid of Saxby Chambliss would be acceptable as a consolation prize.
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