@HallAntenor: To be fair you really don't need 8 glasses. And you can get fine with 8 ounces of liquid. The trick is how much liquid is in your diet. Anyone who tells you you need 8 glasses though is repeating a very old misreading of a rather old study. You need to not be thirsty, drink until you are no longer thirsty and you'll ne just about perfect
@nyc-caribbean-ragazza: LOL. Did she give you any advice that wasn't mind-bogglingly contradictory?
Any at all?
And oh - are you in France, or the States? Because if you're in France and you feel you need to lose weight according to her directions, at least you'll have a chance b/c there's less chemical crap permitted in the food, but in the States? Especially if you work more than a 60-hour week? Not so much.
I have always wanted to take a tour of Europe devoted entirely to eating the food and drinking the alcohol. Well, ever since I read a book about a couple who moved from the UK to the French countryside and described in luscious detail all the gastro-experiences they enjoyed.
@Blueberry26: I know what you mean. We've got a trip planned to Europe for the spring, and while everyone else is like "The Trevi Fountain! The Louvre!", all I can think is "Gelato! Croissants!".
Interesting piece. When I was in Paris I thought both the men and women were thinner/smaller than most Americans. I notice that my french (female) friends are much smaller through the shoulders, upper arms, hence the higher cut armholes a la Chanel.
Although I am sure there are people of all sizes in France, some of the petit body frame must be genetic.
Also, everyone in Paris SMOKES! The kids, old people, the little dogs in the cafes...
This no jogging deal must be unique to Paris (paris =/= france) I live in a medium sized town in the south of the country and people are ALWAYS JOGGING! like too much... maybe it's different in beach towns?
from the perspective of an american chick (me) who has many gorgeous and thin french girlfriends whom i adore, it seems that skipping meals, faking a "not hungry" attitude, popping pills, using magic weight loss thigh creams (for real!!), drinking diet formulas from the pharmacies, and chain smoking are the more popular ways that some (not most, but definitely a good number of) french women use to stay thin. the amount of pressure that exists here to be effortlessly beautiful for young women is outrageous. i''m finding myself more and more affected by it even though i try to avoid feeling bad about my body. spending time w/ my appearance-obsessed group of ladyfriends doesn't help but they arent pushy about it since their standards are so internalized - which sux because they are lovely w/o all the potions and lotions.
Even early on in our relationship, my partner was convinced that i had hygiene issues because he'd never been with someone who spent less than 2 hours getting ready in the morning (and i'm not all that low-maintenance) and who sometimes prefers to shave than wax. i've shown him otherwise since then, but it's just part of the culture i guess.
@dridirtitini: I think this is spot on (at least based on my outsider's 9+ years of French study and travel). I think in many cultures there is pressure on women to be effortlessly beautiful, that it's a "woman's secret." But this seems especially apparent for French women. It ruins to illusion to know that a woman diets or exercises or applies a cream! How gauche!!
It is then necessary to abstain from eating by the unhealthiest of means (smoking, diet pills, old-fashioned starvation). Yes, there is rich food. But who is actually eating it and how much of it?
Huge corporations with dubious human rights reputations like Nestle AND Coca Cola are both fighting their corner of the market with this miracle diet water? I'd rather drink from the tap and avoid the guilt. Anyone drinking lots of water will pee more, and if I wanted extra calcium in my diet I'd drink...milk? Full-fat.
I would say that the biggest difference is that in the US, if a woman comments that she wants to lose weight, in the US it's "You look fine! You don't need to lose weight! Stupid media standards! We're beautiful! etc" whereas in France, if you want to lose weight, people are, like, actually honest. If you could stand to lose a few pounds, they'll agree. They're like "If you're unhappy with the way you look, then by all means go on a diet." If you are genuinely underweight, of course, they'll be like "Oh, you're OK, you don't need to lose weight." But in America we have this immediate knee-jerk Butyoudon'tneedtoloseweight answer for all women. I think it's because France doesn't have the same self-esteem free-to-be-you-and-me culture as we do--if you need to improve something about yourself, it's not 'explained away' to make sure you still have good self-image. (They also are perfectly comfortable with the idea that some children are inherently stupider/slower than other kids--none of this 'different learning styles' stuff for them)
First of all, thank you for this concise and fair-minded post. Being half-Frenchy myself, I was bracing myself for a "France sux!" diatribe -- not that I have ever found that on Jezebel.
Part of it is France being this bastion of fashion and French people "selling the brand." Living the chic! I get a similar feeling when I go to Italy -- the people there represent.
(Having said that, I know plenty of French women who could not care less about fashion and dieting. Ma cousine is a dyed-in-the-wool tomboy and proud of it, preferring jeans and short hair to heels and nail polish. She's 40).
Part of it is also this sensual awareness of the small pleasures of life. Openly appreciating a good-looking guy who walks into the bakery and says hello to you. Eating well and deliciously. Wearing something that makes you feel special and then you float down the street.
The diet industry is a bit much and lord knows how many conversations I cringe at with family telling me about their bowel movement issues. Being able to pee or poo away "excess weight" seems to be a topic of some interest, especially among the older generation.
The problem is that women *the world over* are subject to enormous, debilitating pressure to look pretty/thin etc., because that is what a woman is expected to BE. This is the height of her achievements! Look good and shut up. It's something I struggle with, as I am sure we all have at one time or another: making my voice heard as a free-thinking woman. I am more than the sum of my parts. Literally!
My Into to French class made it seem like everyone there takes Wednesdays off to play tennis, stroll around the public square, and ride bikes. Seems like exercise in disguise to me.
You forgot to mention the weight loss benefits of French gum! Those of us who are unaccustomed to European fake sweeteners can score the slimming effects of dehydration-inducing diarrhea just by chewing a few packages of French gum! Not that this happened to me for three days or anything before I made the connection.
I lived in France for a year and unintentionally lost about 10 lbs wihout changing my diet all that much. The difference? I walked EVERYWHERE and so do all the French. They may not go to the gym as much, but if you're walking 2 hours a day to/from work/school do you really need it?
@RodericaSnake: Part of it is all the walking, part of it is the chemicals, hormones, and preservatives permitted in US "food" but not permitted in French and many other EU countries' foods.
(I'm having deja vu. When did we last have this discussion on Jez?)
@Lirael: When I was in London for 3 months I lost weight because I couldn't afford expensive food. I drank lots and lots of tea instead. I also walked and took the Tube everywhere. The Tube has some steep stairways!
@eri401: It makes sense. I know I wouldn't bother paying for the gym if I thought I could ride my bike to work or the store without getting run down by an SUV.
Nicolas just lost that weight so that Carla can put him in her pocket and carry him around more easily. His wee little legs get tired so quickly, you know. All that standing on tip-toe.
I was recently in France, and happened to sit across the street from an elementary school in a small village at pick-up time. And I observed the craziest thing... French women picking their children up from school, look exactly like American women picking their children up from school! They were short, tall, wide, narrow, black, white, curvy, angular, some wore business suits, some wore sweat pants, some were actually dads...
It's ridiculous to glamorize these foreign cultures and put them on some sort of pedestal. If there's any observation to be made, maybe it's that "urban snobby bitches the world over don't get fat." Because it's certainly not a phenomenon that applies to all French women.
@BeckyIva: Good point - French women are not, in fact, all rail thin. I do think what you see in the US that you don't as much there are morbidly obese people. (Though I keep hearing that is changing.) I'm sure there are several reasons for that difference.
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No wonder the French prefer wine to beer. Also, appetite supressants=cigarettes.
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Just like every American teen girl knows - cigs are a girl'g best friend.
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uhmm okay, thanks?
Then she said not to diet because "dieting is stressful." I do agree with that statement.
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Any at all?
And oh - are you in France, or the States? Because if you're in France and you feel you need to lose weight according to her directions, at least you'll have a chance b/c there's less chemical crap permitted in the food, but in the States? Especially if you work more than a 60-hour week? Not so much.
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I'm in Italy. She speaks English perfectly so a lot of American and British expats go to her.
I really did bust out laughing when she told me not to diet after saying, in so many words, I was fat.
She said I should ease up on sweets and keep working out.
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Although I am sure there are people of all sizes in France, some of the petit body frame must be genetic.
Also, everyone in Paris SMOKES! The kids, old people, the little dogs in the cafes...
I miss Paris.
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from the perspective of an american chick (me) who has many gorgeous and thin french girlfriends whom i adore, it seems that skipping meals, faking a "not hungry" attitude, popping pills, using magic weight loss thigh creams (for real!!), drinking diet formulas from the pharmacies, and chain smoking are the more popular ways that some (not most, but definitely a good number of) french women use to stay thin. the amount of pressure that exists here to be effortlessly beautiful for young women is outrageous. i''m finding myself more and more affected by it even though i try to avoid feeling bad about my body. spending time w/ my appearance-obsessed group of ladyfriends doesn't help but they arent pushy about it since their standards are so internalized - which sux because they are lovely w/o all the potions and lotions.
Even early on in our relationship, my partner was convinced that i had hygiene issues because he'd never been with someone who spent less than 2 hours getting ready in the morning (and i'm not all that low-maintenance) and who sometimes prefers to shave than wax. i've shown him otherwise since then, but it's just part of the culture i guess.
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It is then necessary to abstain from eating by the unhealthiest of means (smoking, diet pills, old-fashioned starvation). Yes, there is rich food. But who is actually eating it and how much of it?
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Speaking from my own experiences when I am over there (and may I add how JEALOUS I am that you are living in Paris!), French women are made to care about how they look from an early age. Their mothers point it out to them, as do their aunts and grandmothers, as do their significant others. Not that it is always a one-way street -- after a weekend of going out and eating more richly than usual, my friend will prepare lighter meals for her hubby on the Monday for him to "alléger un peu." LOL! I have noticed that the French appreciate GOOD food -- that does not necessarily mean heart-stoppingly fatty stuff. And portions are smaller.
Part of it is France being this bastion of fashion and French people "selling the brand." Living the chic! I get a similar feeling when I go to Italy -- the people there represent.
(Having said that, I know plenty of French women who could not care less about fashion and dieting. Ma cousine is a dyed-in-the-wool tomboy and proud of it, preferring jeans and short hair to heels and nail polish. She's 40).
Part of it is also this sensual awareness of the small pleasures of life. Openly appreciating a good-looking guy who walks into the bakery and says hello to you. Eating well and deliciously. Wearing something that makes you feel special and then you float down the street.
The flip side is the pressure to "look good." I plan my suitcase carefully when I go to France because I *know* that walking in the streets of Paris, people DO look at each other. Freaky.... but on the other hand [deep breath] sometimes I feel better about myself out there than I do here where I am often questioning my physical attractiveness. And my age! I am 35, but age is something I stress about less in France -- maybe because the "older" woman is often appreciated for the experience and class she brings as much as the younger, fresher-faced ingénue.
The diet industry is a bit much and lord knows how many conversations I cringe at with family telling me about their bowel movement issues. Being able to pee or poo away "excess weight" seems to be a topic of some interest, especially among the older generation.
The problem is that women *the world over* are subject to enormous, debilitating pressure to look pretty/thin etc., because that is what a woman is expected to BE. This is the height of her achievements! Look good and shut up. It's something I struggle with, as I am sure we all have at one time or another: making my voice heard as a free-thinking woman. I am more than the sum of my parts. Literally!
Sorry for the long post.
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(I'm having deja vu. When did we last have this discussion on Jez?)
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It's ridiculous to glamorize these foreign cultures and put them on some sort of pedestal. If there's any observation to be made, maybe it's that "urban snobby bitches the world over don't get fat." Because it's certainly not a phenomenon that applies to all French women.
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