@coffee milk: I'm friending you, because I started to feel bad about how much I was snickering over that name. And picturing a guy who was some kind of centaur-pony, being interviewed for the article while chewing hay.
I don't think any of the guys said she seemed harmless. The common theme seemed to be that she lured them in by being sexually aggressive, then either pretended to get pregnant or have cancer. She definitely was manipulating several male instincts, and perhaps and Asian fetish was one of them.
I dated a pathological liar my freshman year in college. It really hurt me, so I don't think we should heap scorn on these guys for getting sucked into her world.
A while ago I was dating this hipstery guy who had spent time teaching English in Japan... and who took me to get sushi on our first date. Roommate said "Um...Notes. I'm gonna bet you that dude might have some kind of fetish going on there. He will probably ditch your 5'8" boobaliscious self in ten seconds flat for the first tiny asian girl he sees." Of course, I was like "Oh, whatever. That's just silly."
And I swear to god, the next time we went out... I was standing there, mid-date, whilst dude got a lap dance from a tiny Asian girl. They asked me if I'd like a ride to the next bar with them, though, which was polite. I declined.
a coworker of mine is asian and is honestly creeped out by white guys (and in her retelling, it's almost always white guys) who go out of their way to seek her out at public places because she's asian. she's not an attention-whore at all and usually just hangs with her friends. funnily enough, she is only attracted to asian men.
i heard about a term for white guys who only date/sleep with asian women - rice kings - and told same coworker about it. she found it to be hysterical and spread it among her 'asian mafia' pals. it's hysterical because it's TRUE.
as anyone who's been to a Williamsburg art opening knows, for a lot of these dudes, having an Asian girlfriend is some kind of weird fetish
I lived in Williamsburg and never really noticed this. But I will say that in terms of racial equality/harmony, it doesn't get much better than the Burg.
@Jessi Ramsey: Well, I only lived in the area for a short while. I am a minority, and really did not feel ostracised or discriminated against at all (quite the opposite). Can you elaborate on why you disagree?
@Understater: The bias incident reports in the neighborhood, friends looking for apartments being told by real estate agents that certain parts of Wburg are better than others because of less black people or Dominicans, conversations with residents at bars in which they are blatantly racist but play it off as being ironic.
I don't find areas that gentrify rapidly and increase segregation, to be on solid standings in regards to race.
I've got a Viet homegirl and her theme them song is "Man Eater." She gets absolutely showered in gifts from White guys that she's only known for a day. It's hilarious. They try and paint her as sweet, nice and innocent and I always ask "Are you serious?" Instead of listening to her for 5 minutes they absolutely delude themselves into thinking she's the naive, submissive stereotype. She doesn't hustle guys and is the straight forward 'You're not my boyfriend' type but won't say no to a Coach purse someone is shoving down her throat. I'm sorry but most men that get hustled like this deserve it for thinking with their little head.
@â™ Final â™ : Yeah, maybe the problem is she doesn't say "No" to expensive gifts. Your "girl" doesn't have to play the game. No one deserves to "get hustled", and your friend isn't doing any good in dispelling harmful stereotypes. You guys sound really friggin' young, so I'll give you a free pass for fucking up.
@restless: Is it really up to her friend to be the one that has to dispel stereotypes? Whether or not she takes the gifts, the man in question is probably still going to believe all Asian women are submissive and naive.
@EKane: Why not? Every heard the phrase "Be the change you want to see in the world"? Being powerful means owning up to who you are, and taking responsibility for it. Maybe by saying "No" with some force behind it or hey how about actually handing the gift back, um, maybe the guy would actually see she's not submissive? Just a thought.
@restless: Stereotypes don't work that way though- they are a form of a general consensus even when there may be occurrences that clearly do not align with the stereotype at hand.
Its wonderful to be the change you want to see in the world but in the case of the "Viet homegirl" even if she said no the guy would probably move on to the next Asian woman willing to fufill his fantasies.
In order for change to be made, all of the white men in the world who believe Asian women are submissive would have to change their mind. If she said no to the unsolicited gifts she wouldn't be changing the status quo.
@EKane: That's a cop-out. Standing up for the right thing is hard to do. It's put you on the spot, and makes you responsible for how you are being treated. Everyone went along with the whole bullshit back of the bus rule until one old lady (who no one considered "important" before ) said "No". You will never know what might be the catalyst for a larger change in the world until you try. By fobbing off personal responsibility to the next person, you tacitly agree to all those negative associations. True, it takes courage to have convictions, and this person doesn't have that, but it is still no excuse to buy into crap stereotypes. If I bought into every bad association or negative belief that was laid at my feet, I wouldn't be the woman I am today. And that's what separates us from the girls...
@â™ Final â™ : "All women are bitches, they take advantage of nice guys, they lead you on, take your money, I did so much for her..."
Your lady keeps these whiners talking. Not that they are in the right, but... seriously. She knows what they want. It's an unspoken assumption that she allows them to keep going with, and no amount of nice purses will make it so that she didn't know what they were trying to buy from her.
I say no to gifts like that, because I'm not naive nor do I like to take advantage of other people's stupidity. That your friend takes these gifts and plays the wide-eyed "Oh but I don't give them anything in exchange" as if she is oblivious to what they're trying to do or what it says about their perception of her...gah it kind of upsets me.
@restless: So... if the Viet homegirl stood up for the "right thing" she would be praised like Rosa Parks because she could be the one that happens to subvert tired stereotypes about asian women?
I understand we have to be (semi)accountable for how we are treated as individuals, but the existing power structures in society make it extremely difficult for one to just wake up one day and decide to change stereotypes about a group or change existing structures that reinforce stereotypes. Sure, Rosa Parks stood up for what she believed in but she also had the backing of a heckofalot of very socially powerful black activists and not so socially powerful lay people. Strength in numbers 'won' with regards to the black civil rights movement, but we still ain't where we need to be today due to power structures that are OUT OF OUR CONTROL.
I'm not saying we need to buy into "crap stereotypes" but the act of the Viet homegirl is not buying into them... she's just socially powerless to change the status quo with just the denial of gifts.
@EKane: It's also definitely not about "fobbing off personal responsibility to the next person" because you can disagree about negative associations, it just wont change the beliefs of the powers that be... in this case white men.
She was clever enough to pick guys who were so unsure of themselves they could be easily taken advantage of. Who would believe any of this bullshit? A debit card that only works in 1 bodega?
I can spot a pathological liar from a mile away. It's so bizarre when people just yammer on and on and it's ALL lies, and always SO ridiculous, like fucking comic book ridiculous. Though, I am super fascinated by what causes it and what's going on with that person. People are fucked up and endlessly fascinating.
@The Queen of No: Me too. My bullshit meter is cranked way up. I read the NYO article and cannot understand how she scammed that many people. Seemed pretty clear she was a pathological liar to me. My husband had a friend who used to tell some whoppers. I kept my mouth shut for a while, until he claimed he was growing pot in an underground chamber in Northern California.
I had an ex who took his Asian women fetish so far that I think he actually began to believe himself to be Japanese. He ate sushi about three times per week, spoke fluent Japanese, played video games almost constantly, watched Anime, had a secret anime schoolgirl porn fetish, had only dated Asian women before me, lived in Japan for a year, and collected Pokemon cards. He was also black. And from Brooklyn.
@morninggloria: I love sushi. I like chinese action movies. I've dated a Korean guy.
I have no other interest in Asian fetishes or cultures really. If a guy was like me and just didn't really care...just liked some stuff from there or was colorblind about it, that's one thing.
But- preferring the culture and also having some kind of weird fixation on women of that culture, that dehumanizes them, is a double-creepy thing to see.
I was having lunch with a gay friend some time back and he told me that the Asian girlfriend was the last stop of the sexually confused. Next stop, boys. Can anybody corroborate that as a known concept?
@disinterested 3rd party: Yeah, I first read about it in "Middlesex" by Jeffrey Eugenides, actually.
He's dating an asian woman, who thinks he might be gay, and explains to him that she's worried he's his "last stop," and that she's been one before.
The theory goes that because women have more "boyish" figures (slender hips, smaller breasts), they're the last ditch attempt of closeted gay men to have a relationship with or be sexually attracted to a woman.
@Shannon: To be fair, I don't think any of my employers have done a background check or called former employers. I doubt it's as common as people think, or as common as it clearly should be.
@Eriu: I've worked at two newspapers and for an independent publication, and each employer called my references and ran a background check. However, none of these publications was particularly hip, so there's that.
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I dated a pathological liar my freshman year in college. It really hurt me, so I don't think we should heap scorn on these guys for getting sucked into her world.
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And I swear to god, the next time we went out... I was standing there, mid-date, whilst dude got a lap dance from a tiny Asian girl. They asked me if I'd like a ride to the next bar with them, though, which was polite. I declined.
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a coworker of mine is asian and is honestly creeped out by white guys (and in her retelling, it's almost always white guys) who go out of their way to seek her out at public places because she's asian. she's not an attention-whore at all and usually just hangs with her friends. funnily enough, she is only attracted to asian men.
i heard about a term for white guys who only date/sleep with asian women - rice kings - and told same coworker about it. she found it to be hysterical and spread it among her 'asian mafia' pals. it's hysterical because it's TRUE.
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I lived in Williamsburg and never really noticed this. But I will say that in terms of racial equality/harmony, it doesn't get much better than the Burg.
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I don't find areas that gentrify rapidly and increase segregation, to be on solid standings in regards to race.
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Its wonderful to be the change you want to see in the world but in the case of the "Viet homegirl" even if she said no the guy would probably move on to the next Asian woman willing to fufill his fantasies.
In order for change to be made, all of the white men in the world who believe Asian women are submissive would have to change their mind. If she said no to the unsolicited gifts she wouldn't be changing the status quo.
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Your lady keeps these whiners talking. Not that they are in the right, but... seriously. She knows what they want. It's an unspoken assumption that she allows them to keep going with, and no amount of nice purses will make it so that she didn't know what they were trying to buy from her.
I say no to gifts like that, because I'm not naive nor do I like to take advantage of other people's stupidity. That your friend takes these gifts and plays the wide-eyed "Oh but I don't give them anything in exchange" as if she is oblivious to what they're trying to do or what it says about their perception of her...gah it kind of upsets me.
I don't mean to be unkind. But it's not nice.
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I understand we have to be (semi)accountable for how we are treated as individuals, but the existing power structures in society make it extremely difficult for one to just wake up one day and decide to change stereotypes about a group or change existing structures that reinforce stereotypes. Sure, Rosa Parks stood up for what she believed in but she also had the backing of a heckofalot of very socially powerful black activists and not so socially powerful lay people. Strength in numbers 'won' with regards to the black civil rights movement, but we still ain't where we need to be today due to power structures that are OUT OF OUR CONTROL.
I'm not saying we need to buy into "crap stereotypes" but the act of the Viet homegirl is not buying into them... she's just socially powerless to change the status quo with just the denial of gifts.
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I have no other interest in Asian fetishes or cultures really. If a guy was like me and just didn't really care...just liked some stuff from there or was colorblind about it, that's one thing.
But- preferring the culture and also having some kind of weird fixation on women of that culture, that dehumanizes them, is a double-creepy thing to see.
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He's dating an asian woman, who thinks he might be gay, and explains to him that she's worried he's his "last stop," and that she's been one before.
The theory goes that because women have more "boyish" figures (slender hips, smaller breasts), they're the last ditch attempt of closeted gay men to have a relationship with or be sexually attracted to a woman.
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Thinking with the big head ALWAYS pays off.
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At least "pathological liar con artist" is an alternative to "lotus blossom butterfly" and "ninja kung fu dragon queen".
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So many choices for my future daughter!
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