has anyone else noticed that while vegetarians are greatly criticized, ridiculed, harassed and practically strong-armed into eating meat by meat eaters, meat eaters are rarely subject to the same?
You can't sit at a table full of meat eaters and quietly try to order something vegetarian from a menu, or inconspicuously select only vegetarian entrees from a home table, without some obnoxious idiot making a fuss about it... even though you haven't made a fuss about all the steak everyone else has ordered.
and while vegetarians are expected to throw their eating habits out the window to conform to those of meat eaters, whether at a restaurant or someone's home, there's always some asshat meat eater who will throw a full tantrum if asked to go somewhere that even serves a vegetarian option. Forget about asking them to for one single time attend a restaurant that serves veggie only, even though as a vegetarian you've had to sit through 6 steakhouse dinners prior.
I just find it funny that so many meat eaters will act like they're being personally attacked and forced to change their eating habits by the mere presence of a vegetarian, when in reality many meat eaters continually bader, insult and impose their views on the vegetarians AND harass the person as well.
Yes! I have only been a vegetarian for 9 months but in that short amount of time I have become painfully aware of the fact that some meat eaters get totally irritated that I'm not in their "club" anymore. The fact that I can't just order a burger when out in social situations is a huge annoyance to some of them.
One of my co-workers told me that she "gets a superiority vibe" from vegetarians and believes they secretly "judge her".
Um okay.
Anyway, what a bunch of sanctimonious tripe this idiot has inflicted upon the world with this stupid article.
Excuse me, Giles, for being made aware of the horrid atrocities that happen in slaughterhouses to innocent animals and deciding that I no longer wanted to be an accomplice to it by eating their flesh.
I'm so sorry for attention whoring by allowing my conscience to guide my eating habits.
Also, I'm Black so there goes your "pale and flaky" accusation right out the window.
What pisses me off the most about this, I think, is his insistence that eating disorders, and by extension, any vegetarianism, that allegedly camouflages them, is about VANITY.
If a woman developed an eating disorder around you, Giles, or was generally concerned about maintaining a certain level of thinness in the current social order, it wouldn't have anything to do with your -- or anyone who thinks this way -- having okayed any "eating disorder that didn't make her FAT," would it?!?!
Please go straight to the h*ll of your choice. Do not pass go or collect $200.
He's an idiot, but I've got to agree with the Jezzies who've noticed quite a few eating disorders that started with cutting out meat, because that's a somewhat socially acceptable food group to avoid completely, maybe the only one if you don't have food allergies.
well... i've just got to say that the joke is on you, sir giles coren... i eat what i want, when i want, and i look fabulous.
oh, and by the way, if you read the full article that you are referring to when you write this rather laughable and yet offensive little piece of yours... you would find that the medical professionals quoted also said that a vegetarian diet is MORE HEALTHY! specifically, that teens who are raised vegetarian experience life long benefits, however in chronically thin teens who suddenly "become vegetarian" it is important to pay attention because they may be using it as a cover for an eating disorder. it's sad, but true.
If we weren't busy eating the pigs then maybe we could explore their other "reasons to live." A pig is as smart as a three year-old child, people! If we can train dogs to do some crazy shit imagine what we could train pigs to do.
Plus pigs are incredibly important for the education of science students. Plus pigs are amazingly affectionate and clean animals. It sounds like they have plenty of reasons to live, eating meat is just giving them a reason to die.
I HATE when people tell me "but meat tastes good!!!" as if I hadn't considered that possibility. As if they've never heard preferences before. It's a revelation: some people like the taste of something, some people don't!
@truckasaurus: Seriously, personally I find the taste and texture of meat revolting. Generally the saving grace of any meat is the cheese put on top, so I figured what the hell, let's just eat cheese!
As somebody who struggled with eating disorders for a good portion of my teen years and is now a vegetarian, FUCK you. I don't eat meat because eating meat makes me feel like shit the next morning. A burger hang over, if you will. Meat makes me bloat up, look like shit, feel like shit, and is just all around bad news bears.
And another thing, my exotic piercings and tattoos (and yes, you do know I have them) were done before I stopped eating meat and all three factors are totally unrelated.
I'm basically a "to each their own" type of gal but when it comes to vegetarianism and veganism the thing that rubs me the wrong way is it's such a privileged choice.
Only in the land of way too much can you choose NOT to eat something.
Would it be different if this were a starving nation?
@SharonTaint: Meat is expensive. Impoverished peoples tend to eat none, or very little - obviously in India and Ethiopia there is religious overlap, but think about Central and South America. As a vegetarian, I never had trouble going out to eat when I was living in a highly Salvadoran neighborhood. It's only now that I'm back in the superwhite suburbs that going out to eat means having to go with the salad - and then I often have to be very clear that it can't be caesar.
my main problem with vegetarians is that they ruined tofu. there is the perception that tofu is gross and for health nuts only. tofu is not meant to be used to make pseudo-meat products. i understand that vegetarians need the protein, nutrients, and what not, but why make tofu into some kind simulated meat? if you want to avoid meat, then dont have pretend meat! stop ruining stuff from my culture!
i am chinese and in my younger days my mom would make tofu, it was often prepared with meat and other veggies included in the dish. id also like to point out there are plenty of unhealthy ways to have tofu. my favorite kind of tofu involves it being deep fried, drenched in sauce, and there would be a pile of meat sitting next to the tofu. i swear if people had the tofu my mom and grandma made, pretty much everyone would like it.
I am a vegetarian, and I am not pale or flaky. Also, I am kind of fat, and when I wasn't fat I had an actual eating disorder that had nothing to do with my moral choice not to eat meat. So, STFU Giles Coren. Also, the picture accompanying this post looks yummy enough to make me get off my butt and cook a real dinner, instead of microwave steam veggies and pasta from the box, so thank you, Hortense.
@Sputnik_Sweetheart: yeah, vegetarianism in and of itself isn't necessarily more healthy. I mean, you can still eat french fries. Or tempura veggies. Or deep-fried coke, for that matter. (did I mention I love deep-fried foods? Why yes, I have lived in the South, now that you mention it...)
Health, ultimately, is all about moderation. Don't over-indulge, don't deprive yourself, and do what works for you. If veganism is what works, great. If eating meat works, awesome. To each their own and let's stay out of each other's biz-nass about this.
I've been a vegetarian half of my life. I chose it because *I* think meat is gross, and that's all. I could care less if anyone eats it around me, but I don't want any.
It's eating animal muscle, and that just grosses me out.
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has anyone else noticed that while vegetarians are greatly criticized, ridiculed, harassed and practically strong-armed into eating meat by meat eaters, meat eaters are rarely subject to the same?
You can't sit at a table full of meat eaters and quietly try to order something vegetarian from a menu, or inconspicuously select only vegetarian entrees from a home table, without some obnoxious idiot making a fuss about it... even though you haven't made a fuss about all the steak everyone else has ordered.
and while vegetarians are expected to throw their eating habits out the window to conform to those of meat eaters, whether at a restaurant or someone's home, there's always some asshat meat eater who will throw a full tantrum if asked to go somewhere that even serves a vegetarian option. Forget about asking them to for one single time attend a restaurant that serves veggie only, even though as a vegetarian you've had to sit through 6 steakhouse dinners prior.
I just find it funny that so many meat eaters will act like they're being personally attacked and forced to change their eating habits by the mere presence of a vegetarian, when in reality many meat eaters continually bader, insult and impose their views on the vegetarians AND harass the person as well.
04/05/09
Yes! I have only been a vegetarian for 9 months but in that short amount of time I have become painfully aware of the fact that some meat eaters get totally irritated that I'm not in their "club" anymore. The fact that I can't just order a burger when out in social situations is a huge annoyance to some of them.
One of my co-workers told me that she "gets a superiority vibe" from vegetarians and believes they secretly "judge her".
Um okay.
Anyway, what a bunch of sanctimonious tripe this idiot has inflicted upon the world with this stupid article.
Excuse me, Giles, for being made aware of the horrid atrocities that happen in slaughterhouses to innocent animals and deciding that I no longer wanted to be an accomplice to it by eating their flesh.
I'm so sorry for attention whoring by allowing my conscience to guide my eating habits.
Also, I'm Black so there goes your "pale and flaky" accusation right out the window.
04/05/09
If a woman developed an eating disorder around you, Giles, or was generally concerned about maintaining a certain level of thinness in the current social order, it wouldn't have anything to do with your -- or anyone who thinks this way -- having okayed any "eating disorder that didn't make her FAT," would it?!?!
Please go straight to the h*ll of your choice. Do not pass go or collect $200.
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oh, and by the way, if you read the full article that you are referring to when you write this rather laughable and yet offensive little piece of yours... you would find that the medical professionals quoted also said that a vegetarian diet is MORE HEALTHY! specifically, that teens who are raised vegetarian experience life long benefits, however in chronically thin teens who suddenly "become vegetarian" it is important to pay attention because they may be using it as a cover for an eating disorder. it's sad, but true.
p.s. fuck off.
04/04/09
Plus pigs are incredibly important for the education of science students. Plus pigs are amazingly affectionate and clean animals. It sounds like they have plenty of reasons to live, eating meat is just giving them a reason to die.
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And another thing, my exotic piercings and tattoos (and yes, you do know I have them) were done before I stopped eating meat and all three factors are totally unrelated.
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Only in the land of way too much can you choose NOT to eat something.
Would it be different if this were a starving nation?
(Honest question, not trying to be snarky)
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i am chinese and in my younger days my mom would make tofu, it was often prepared with meat and other veggies included in the dish. id also like to point out there are plenty of unhealthy ways to have tofu. my favorite kind of tofu involves it being deep fried, drenched in sauce, and there would be a pile of meat sitting next to the tofu. i swear if people had the tofu my mom and grandma made, pretty much everyone would like it.
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Then I refuse to see his argument.
Couldn't one in turn argue that someone who doesn't eat many vegetables also has a form of disordered eating?
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Health, ultimately, is all about moderation. Don't over-indulge, don't deprive yourself, and do what works for you. If veganism is what works, great. If eating meat works, awesome. To each their own and let's stay out of each other's biz-nass about this.
04/04/09
They're poor.
Meat is expensive.
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It's eating animal muscle, and that just grosses me out.
04/04/09
HEY TIMES, FUCK YOU.
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