Somebody help me please! I am surrounded by these douchey millionaire husbands who are shafting their exes--Peter Brant, Steve Phillips, Jim Nantz, and Bob Haldeman. Must be something in the water here in Fairfield County..... #stephanieseymour
It seems so unfair that such detestable people should have the wherewithal to purchase such great art. I hate that all those Cindy Shermans and Basquiats are in these two's hands. #stephanieseymour
@sassyredhead: I hope you got the can opener. Basic survival depends on the ability to open canned food. At least it does if I'm the one cooking. #stephanieseymour
Add Ms. Seymour to the list of beautiful people who are probably aliens because they never age. If this woman has an addiction problem, I need one too. #stephanieseymour
There is literally nothing about this mess that doesn't make me vomit. They are so fucking despicable that they absolutely deserve one another. It's a pity the marriage didn't work out. #stephanieseymour
@Tchotchke: Also, I really hate that I am so childish that I went here, but: It saddens me that Stephanie Seymour is such a miserable, nasty person and still so incredibly beautiful. Life is not fair. #stephanieseymour
@Tchotchke: My old girlfriend in San Diego used to cut SS's hair and she was in fact a nasty, mean, pretentious, arrogant and altogether unlikable person. She was so "me-me-me" she made even the most egotistical diva look like a humble version of Mother Teresa. She was dumb as a bag of dirt and made no bones about using her snootch to get what she wanted. I did not like her, not at all. #stephanieseymour
@I_can_still_pitch: There was an anecdote in the Kurt Coabin biography "Heavier than Heaven" about Stephanie Seymour. I think this was at the 1993 MTV VMAs, while she was still dating Axl, and right after Courtney Love gave birth to Frances.
As the story goes, Axl Rose and Stephanie approached the Cobains backstage to start a fight. Axl insulted Kurt and their child, Kurt then asked Axl to be Frances' godfather. Stephanie, feeling left out, walked over to Courtney, who was boucing Frances on her knee and sneered, "Are you a model?" to which Courtney replied, "No, are you a brain surgeon?" Stephanie stuttered and then walked away.
Obviously, I have never met SS in person, but I've heard many stories by people who have and each one is worse than the last.
I effing love it when even the lawyers say their clients are liars. Gotta love it when you've been doing it for so long that cynicism wins over a zealous defense. #stephanieseymour
@Ruby_de_la_Booby: I'm imagining an alternate reality where she and Axl Rose got married, it didn't rain during their reception, no one jumped through the cake, she didn't die, Guns N Roses never broke up, Slash and Axl were BFFs, and GNR produced wonderful albums every year on the dot. I wish I lived in that world. #stephanieseymour
@Dictator for Life: What about tongue kissing? Would they have tongue kissed after the vows...because that image is forever burned on my brain. #stephanieseymour
@Dictator for Life: Oh! Right! I completely forgot that all supermodels and strippers are made of sugar and smell of cupcakes ... Thanks for reminding me! :) #stephanieseymour
God, reading over this reminds me of how, in every First Amendment case I've ever read, the person involved was almost always a Class-A douchebag - Larry Flynt, the KKK dude, the hitman-catalog people, and so on. I guess this would be another example of "hard cases make bad law." I can see the argument he's making and the space that allows for his legal innocence, but he's such a douchebag I almost want to see him punished anyway.
And yet that is the entire point of the law - to keep people like me from punishing douchebags solely because he is a douchebag.
Man, this is why I like ethics so much more. The standard for behavior is so much higher. Even though an argument could be made that he was within his legal rights, very few would say what he did was ethical. #onlinepredators
Not saying he's guilty or innocent, but assuming he was just really, really stupid and actually did only want to have sex with her and then bail, you've got to admit that this is just ridiculously cringeworthy:
Deery said, "You brought three condoms, one for me and one for each of the girls."
"They come in packs of three," he told her. "You can’t buy just one."
I mean, I could imagine just screaming "Fuck fuck fuck." over in your head when you realized how that would be seen by everybody. #onlinepredators
I used to be a kid who talked to older men in chatrooms growing up. The internet was just taking off and yahoo and AIM chatrooms were my playground. I was a 12, 13, and 14 year old talking to men who were in their 20's, 30's, and im sure some were in their 40's. I never ONCE met up with any of the men I talked to. The men were probably perverts, they were probably sick, but I was smart enough to know that what happened in the cyber world was not the same as what happens in the real world. I stayed a virgin until the age of 18 when I entered college. I guess what I am trying to say that part of growing up is the idea that you can do naughty things. I know I couldn't have been the only 12-14 year old hanging out in chatrooms talking to older guys. Sometimes for fun and sometimes because I liked the images they sent to me. It was part of a coming of age for me. Like finding adult porn sites or viewing adult porn. I realize they were adults and I was a youngster but I still enjoyed what I saw. I just think this entire issue is a lot more nuanced than we give it credit for. I don't think people should necessarily be locked up for YEARS for talking about a sex act with someone underage, and the to catch a predator public mob of justice just gives me a bad taste. #onlinepredators
@History Major: I'm glad you commented on this, because I was debating writing my own similar one.
I briefly got pretty much addicted to Internet porn when I was in junior high school (whole 'nother can of worms), and while I never was much one for the online chatting, I did it once in a while, and I remember vividly talking to a guy once where I got it into my head to pretend to be ten years old. Lord knows why- maybe he had said he was into younger girls, and I wanted to push that idea even further?- but I recall his discomfort with it (and probably curiosity at the incongruity of a 10-year old girl with a way too advanced vocabulary, spelling w/o a trace of chat-style shorthand, and supremely fast typing). I'm sure now he probably thought I was an undercover cop. But I definitely found it exciting/taboo/thrilling, and now, as an adult, I still occasionally entertain ageplay fantasies.
I don't think I really have a point with this story except that . . . yeah. Kids can have some pretty crazy sexual things going on in their minds, and in any online chatting I did, I always realized that it was meant to stay online and never cross into reality. #onlinepredators
@History Major: I did too. Not in a sexual way, well, once, but mostly about Star Trek. The internet was tiny then, there wasn't a kid's table like now. I gaave my number to one guy (dumb dumb dumb I was 12) and he called me and it was so awkward h never emailed me again. Another guy did email me to proposition me,, thinking I was his age, but whne I told him the truth, he didn't email back. is it more dangerous now? Hard to say. Fewer people then, but you had to be comitted to computers and far more socially awkward. this was when only nerds used email. I really don't think the internet was muchsafter then, and I do think To Catch a Predator tactics are often entrapment. #onlinepredators
@BytheSea: The main difference these days is webcams. From a few amusing hours a week spent at Encyclopedia Dramatica and 4chan, as best I can tell the following is true:
1. There are very nearly a bajillion girls who are willing to go on webcam and do sexual things, though their limits for what they'll do vary.
2. Most of this is on public sites where they're getting instant feedback from guys as they go. The rest are of the "Well I just sent it to my boyfriend who says he'll love me forever because he's my Edward and I'm his Bella" variety. Sigh.
3. Nearly all of these videos are recorded by the collective denizens of the internet, with many of them finding their way onto 'mainstream' video clip sites that mix soft porn with your usual CollegeHumor antics.
4. Unless the girls themselves say so, there's basically no way to know the ages of the girls involved, except with one's own best judgment (of a blurry webcam photo). Given that there's no identifying information tacked onto these videos or a means of contacting the girl in question, I imagine a girl would have to look significantly under 18 before a video moderator on one of those video clip sites would proactively pull it. From what I've read about how those sites operate, they're not super-geniuses, just people with massive workloads doing a five-second 'rule of thumb' glance at each video to see if it's obviously bad.
For all the easy controversy whipped up over teen 'sexting', the direction of webcam technology is what parents should really fret about. Sexting at least carries with it a trail of numbers, an 'outbreak' that can potentially be contained; Thanks to 4chan, the lowest common denominator of the internet, once a video's out there on the web, it's basically going to exist forever.
If I ever have kids, my future computer will include a mic if they want to use skype, but definitely no webcam. I fully accept that my future kids will feel the need to make their own stupid teenage mistakes, but I'd like to keep them from making one that'll stick around on the internet forever.
But hey, actual, legitimate fears of what your dumb kid will do on the internet that have a simple solution (ditch the webcam) don't make Chris Hansen rich off of America's prurient interests. #onlinepredators
@CrapCommentFromADude: Totally agreed on the webcam thing. I see no reason for a kid to have access to one. The exception might be faraway friends or family, but in that case, it's more of a "bring it out for specified use when I'm around to supervise" thing.
@clevernamehere: No, you can get locked up for talking about it:
On-line solicitation of a minor for a sexual purpose, that is, with intent to commit a sexual activity with that minor, is one of the most investigated and targeted activities by both federal and state law enforcement in this day and age. The "on-line solicitation" as it is known as, is usually in the form of contact by electronic mail (e-mail), instant messaging, or other use of the Internet.
The contact with a minor (underage person), often a male contacting an underage female, becomes a violation of state and federal law when the conversation turns to content of a sexual nature to the extent that it appears that the contacting person is communicating in a sexually explicit manner with the contacted person....
However, the person making the on-line communication may be prosecuted even if he does not follow through with contact with the minor, but rather merely communicates in a sexually explicit manner. Also, persons can be prosecuted here if they forward sexually explicit material to the minor.
@History Major: I was hanging out with you--we're probably around the same age. I always panicked when they tried to send pictures, or request them, but I was not opposed to chatting. When I was 13 I had a boy try to be my online boyfriend and talk about sex (he claimed to be 18 and I have no sense if it was the truth or not). He wanted to meet up and date for real. I told him no. #onlinepredators
Sorry, no sympathy for this jerk. In this age of moral relativism, child molestation is separate.
A responsible and healthy human being, upon hearing someone's fantasies that include child molestation, has a responsibility to seek help for an obviously disturbed individual.
At the very least, the human being should have some guts and tell the mentally sick individual that such fantasies are disturbing and the person should seek mental help.
@tggrr7: Seriously. Why the hell would you want to have sex with a woman who wants you to rape her kids? There's no way that would lead to good things. #onlinepredators
@Anne is Spiderman: The legal part of my brain says he was entrapped but every other part of my brain says, So what? Dude was agreeing - however reluctantly - to fuck two little girls so he could get some. A reasonable, healthy person would have cut that line of communication off and found someone else. I mean, it's the internet for god's sake. It practically exists for the purpose of helping people hook up.
These stings bother me because the "victims" are almost always imaginary. Can one commit crimes against imaginary people? No. But evidently you can intend to commit crimes against pretend people and be sent to prison.
Clearly these men have problems, but I'm not sure the practice of netting them is on the up-and-up. #onlinepredators
@Gumbina80: This is exactly how I feel about the virtual child porn debate. I headdesk'd over and over again when I heard about the guy in Australia (or New Zealand?) who was convicted of possession of child porn because he had drawings of Bart and Lisa doing sexual things.
It's one of those clarifying moments- thank God we jailed him up. Because if we hadn't, he might have gone out and molested Bart and Lisa, or other yellow cartoon children with four fingers! Our cartoons are finally safe from being exploited in this detestable way.
There are so many real children being horribly exploited who need help. Not the Simpsons. #onlinepredators
@cand86: Creepy, perverted thoughts aren't (and can't or shouldn't be) illegal. But laws regarding child pornography or soliciting minors online have turned into ways to criminalize creepy thoughts. Child pornography is (IIRC) defined as anything that could be reasonably construed as involving underage persons. Well...if it's two young-looking 18-year-olds, whats the crime? Appearance of creepiness? Providing fodder for pedo pervs?
If there are real dangers and real minors that's one thing. These arrests because a guy was thinking about having sex with an imaginary person who was described as a minor are problematic. #onlinepredators
@Gumbina80: I think the idea is that it's better they try to solicit an imaginary child who had the power to arrest their ass, than to solicit a real one who has no power at all. #onlinepredators
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As the story goes, Axl Rose and Stephanie approached the Cobains backstage to start a fight. Axl insulted Kurt and their child, Kurt then asked Axl to be Frances' godfather. Stephanie, feeling left out, walked over to Courtney, who was boucing Frances on her knee and sneered, "Are you a model?" to which Courtney replied, "No, are you a brain surgeon?" Stephanie stuttered and then walked away.
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And yet that is the entire point of the law - to keep people like me from punishing douchebags solely because he is a douchebag.
Man, this is why I like ethics so much more. The standard for behavior is so much higher. Even though an argument could be made that he was within his legal rights, very few would say what he did was ethical. #onlinepredators
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Deery said, "You brought three condoms, one for me and one for each of the girls."
"They come in packs of three," he told her. "You can’t buy just one."
I mean, I could imagine just screaming "Fuck fuck fuck." over in your head when you realized how that would be seen by everybody. #onlinepredators
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I briefly got pretty much addicted to Internet porn when I was in junior high school (whole 'nother can of worms), and while I never was much one for the online chatting, I did it once in a while, and I remember vividly talking to a guy once where I got it into my head to pretend to be ten years old. Lord knows why- maybe he had said he was into younger girls, and I wanted to push that idea even further?- but I recall his discomfort with it (and probably curiosity at the incongruity of a 10-year old girl with a way too advanced vocabulary, spelling w/o a trace of chat-style shorthand, and supremely fast typing). I'm sure now he probably thought I was an undercover cop. But I definitely found it exciting/taboo/thrilling, and now, as an adult, I still occasionally entertain ageplay fantasies.
I don't think I really have a point with this story except that . . . yeah. Kids can have some pretty crazy sexual things going on in their minds, and in any online chatting I did, I always realized that it was meant to stay online and never cross into reality. #onlinepredators
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1. There are very nearly a bajillion girls who are willing to go on webcam and do sexual things, though their limits for what they'll do vary.
2. Most of this is on public sites where they're getting instant feedback from guys as they go. The rest are of the "Well I just sent it to my boyfriend who says he'll love me forever because he's my Edward and I'm his Bella" variety. Sigh.
3. Nearly all of these videos are recorded by the collective denizens of the internet, with many of them finding their way onto 'mainstream' video clip sites that mix soft porn with your usual CollegeHumor antics.
4. Unless the girls themselves say so, there's basically no way to know the ages of the girls involved, except with one's own best judgment (of a blurry webcam photo). Given that there's no identifying information tacked onto these videos or a means of contacting the girl in question, I imagine a girl would have to look significantly under 18 before a video moderator on one of those video clip sites would proactively pull it. From what I've read about how those sites operate, they're not super-geniuses, just people with massive workloads doing a five-second 'rule of thumb' glance at each video to see if it's obviously bad.
For all the easy controversy whipped up over teen 'sexting', the direction of webcam technology is what parents should really fret about. Sexting at least carries with it a trail of numbers, an 'outbreak' that can potentially be contained; Thanks to 4chan, the lowest common denominator of the internet, once a video's out there on the web, it's basically going to exist forever.
If I ever have kids, my future computer will include a mic if they want to use skype, but definitely no webcam. I fully accept that my future kids will feel the need to make their own stupid teenage mistakes, but I'd like to keep them from making one that'll stick around on the internet forever.
But hey, actual, legitimate fears of what your dumb kid will do on the internet that have a simple solution (ditch the webcam) don't make Chris Hansen rich off of America's prurient interests. #onlinepredators
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Otherwise, nope, nope, nope. #onlinepredators
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On-line solicitation of a minor for a sexual purpose, that is, with intent to commit a sexual activity with that minor, is one of the most investigated and targeted activities by both federal and state law enforcement in this day and age. The "on-line solicitation" as it is known as, is usually in the form of contact by electronic mail (e-mail), instant messaging, or other use of the Internet.
The contact with a minor (underage person), often a male contacting an underage female, becomes a violation of state and federal law when the conversation turns to content of a sexual nature to the extent that it appears that the contacting person is communicating in a sexually explicit manner with the contacted person....
However, the person making the on-line communication may be prosecuted even if he does not follow through with contact with the minor, but rather merely communicates in a sexually explicit manner. Also, persons can be prosecuted here if they forward sexually explicit material to the minor.
[www.teakelllaw.com] #onlinepredators
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A responsible and healthy human being, upon hearing someone's fantasies that include child molestation, has a responsibility to seek help for an obviously disturbed individual.
At the very least, the human being should have some guts and tell the mentally sick individual that such fantasies are disturbing and the person should seek mental help.
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No sympathy. #onlinepredators
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Clearly these men have problems, but I'm not sure the practice of netting them is on the up-and-up. #onlinepredators
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It's one of those clarifying moments- thank God we jailed him up. Because if we hadn't, he might have gone out and molested Bart and Lisa, or other yellow cartoon children with four fingers! Our cartoons are finally safe from being exploited in this detestable way.
There are so many real children being horribly exploited who need help. Not the Simpsons. #onlinepredators
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If there are real dangers and real minors that's one thing. These arrests because a guy was thinking about having sex with an imaginary person who was described as a minor are problematic. #onlinepredators
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