I was harassed fresh out of undergrad, I was one of a bunch of women being harassed but I was the one who reported it to HR. HR was great, the other women came forward and backed me up, the harasser "resigned." HOWEVER, others at the company never forgot what happened and I know continued to talk behind my back about what a little rat I was until I left the job. And the worst shit talkers? tragically, it was other women. Basically saying how I was a big baby who overreacted and couldn't take a joke. I would never report it again, I'd just look for a new job. Not to say people shouldn't they should, just personally the aftermath is so brutal.
This is sort of interesting because I had a convo with a male coworker last week about this women who was "let go" because her suggestive dressing was bothering both the male and female staff. It got so bad people weren't coming to meetings she would be at, just call her to discuss issues and since she was in charge of analysis, people were forgoing additional steps just to avoid her. I was discussing who would have complained about her to HR and apparently it wasnt women but two men.
@ArtfulSlinger: Sexual harassment can go both ways. It's wrong, demeaning and dangerous to assume that men are somehow okay with female coworkers who dress provocatively/inappropriately.
@Our Lady of the Massacre: Yeah, it sounds like she was creating an inhospitable work environment, which is absolutely grounds for dismissal. We'd be squicked as all hell if a man were wearing super-tight pants showing off his bulge every day.
well, what a big bag of 'duh'. of course reporting sexual harassment is a minefield. you're telling the company that you're blaming an employee of theirs for improper conduct. of course the company isn't going to immediately side with you! that would mean that they were liable! companies do everything and anything to avoid acknowledging fault in anything!
the real advice should be this: report sexual harassment if you have nothing to hide...and by nothing, that means absolutely every single aspect of your life is free and clear to be researched, because that is what will happen whether you like it or not. if you have any dirty secrets or confided in a buddy over beers about any aspect of your personal life that might be construed as unsavory or suspect, be prepared for that little nugget to be put under a spotlight. i'm not saying it's right or fair, but that's how it always goes down in sexual harassment cases.
When I worked for a major CPA firm (one of the Big 5), my direct supervisor would make extremely inappropriate comments to females and once brought in film strips of the porn films he did in his younger days (he was a gay porn actor in the 60s/70s) and demanded we all take a look.
After complaining in writing, I was told that if I filed the complaint, life would be very difficult for me and it would affect all of my performance reviews. I ended up leaving due to medical reasons brought on by a hostile, stressful environment. The other people in the department sought transfers.
This is a creepily timely post - I was just wondering last night, with tears in my eyes, how I could ask Jezzies about my personal situation without being terribly "off topic". Without getting way too personal, I am one of many women faced with how to deal with sexual harrassment in the workplace. I just started a new job (I'm a college student working part time) and I can't afford to quit. It's not a superior bothering me, but I still fear backlash if I mention it to my boss. But I don't want to just let it go... its such a hard place for women to be in.
@thesuncomesup: I have tears in my eyes right now because I, too, am dealing with non-sexual harassment in my home (weird living sitch) and I don't know what to do - other than desperately search craigslist for a new place 24/7. (((hugs)))
@thesuncomesup: ((hugs)) it is a hard situation to be in. Hopefully if you told your boss he/she would keep it to themselves and you wouldn't have to worry about backlash from your coworkers? Good luck!
@thesuncomesup: I worked at a computer store, and I was often the only female on the sales floor. One of our guys harassed me about my breasts, and every time I told my female manager about it. She advised me the second time to tell the main manager, and the mess was quashed. The guys had to apologize and got a good talking-to, which was all I wanted. It didn't happen again. I hope you have a good overboss.
@thesuncomesup: Your college may have resources to help you. I would contact the Dean's office and see if there is any office on campus that can help. Any chance they posted the job on your campus? If so, then you can easily make an argument that the college has a responsibility to help you or to tell the employer that they need to remedy the harrassment or they will no longer be able to recruit on campus.
@thesuncomesup: I can tell you a less-bad story about reporting sexual harassment to counteract some of the worst ones, if that would help. I was being harassed/stalked at work by a peer and despite my repeated pleas for him to leave me alone, it just kept escalating. I finally told my boss, and he was great about it. Never doubted me for a second, had the HR people in straight away to sort it out, told me I didn't have to do anything else, and that it wasn't my fault so to stop apologising. The reason I say 'less-bad' instead of 'good', is that the creepy guy got a talking-to and that was it, but he never spoke to me or came near me again and HR went out of their way to do anything/everything they could to make me feel safe at work, so I felt better.
I've been harrassed for about two years now and I went to HR last year and filed a compliant. The guy was talked to but guess who wasn't fired? I was also passed over for two raises since then. If I could afford to quit, I would have a long time and I would have litigated as well. The guy is starting up again and the next time I go to HR, I'm bringing a lawyer with me. They had their chance to correct the situation but refused. I'm honestly not sure what else to do but I have enough sense that the woman who wrote that article is a complete ass.
@boxem180: not that I am your lawyer and I am not giving legal advice ---- but call someone (an employment attorney-specifically, not a general attorney) and then file with the EEOC.
Ruettimann advises women to quit, and tell their manager exactly why they are leaving.
WTF? I think this lady is living in a movie. One in which our plucky heroine quits and mopes around picturesquely for 5 minutes before starting a multi-million dollar pie-making business or being miraculously being offered a better job by some rich person who admires the cut of her jib. In real life, unless you have high-in-demand skills and another job lined up, you're going to be in for some real hardship.
No, this is bullshit. My ex-coworker, whom I trusted and admired as a friend, was unsuccessful in his drunken attempt to have sex with me. It is a night that I wish to never recount, as that and other events led eventually to my mental breakdown.
I TOLD my boss. I cried and cried while I told him what happened. I am MORE THAN SURE they thought I was overexaggerating, but after I had to tell him every exact action that man made, he understood what happened. The guy didn't get fired - but he left the office a few months later. There was nothing that they could legally do as this happened outside the office.
I wanted to quit, but my boss refused to let me go. I'm glad I didn't quit - I don't know what would've happened to me if I had left.
You tell your bosses what happened, you have to, and don't let some bullshit mindfuck tell you that it's your feminist duty to let this type of disrespect slide by. No, it's your body and your self worth at risk - she can stick it where the sun don't shine.
@dirtybee: ITA. At the place I work at now, a gentleman (*snort*) with years more experience (and thus value for our company) than me, verbally harassed me every day.
He'd make loud snarky comments about how I need to show more cleavage, because isn't that what I was hired for (and I'm an engineer by profession, so, just no;), and how my work was no good, because I was a "little girl way too far in over my head." One day he held up an old Madonna poster and told me to invest in some conical bras, for my career's sake. Another day, he suggested that I go outside and work on a bikini calendar as something productive for the whole office.
What irked me immensely is that as he said crap like this, the twenty people in our vicinity were either quiet, or the other young (male) a-holes giggled at how funny it was.
I got really upset, and luckily confided to one of my good friends who worked in HR. She told me, the company's stance in this case was that he was creating a poisonous atmosphere (unless he made a move on me plus was my superior, it wouldn't have been classified as sexual harassment under our company's policies;), and I had every right to call him out on it as long as I did it per the prescribed channels. This meant,
a) verbally informing him that he was harassing me the next time he said something
b) logging a complaint against him to my manager
c) officially contacting HR if my manager didn't deal.
I only made it as far as step (b). A week later, he shot me a dirty look and marched by me like I was made of poo. He was informed in no uncertain terms that if he spoke to me again, his job would be axed. My cubicle got moved to another floor shortly so I'd never run into him again.
Yes, the people in his group thought I was being unreasonable, but eventually they all ended filing similar complaints against the jackass.
We both continue to work at the same company, two years later. The number of people he is permitted to speak to at work is a rapidly shrinking group. He still doesn't really get it...
I was sexually harassed/gender discriminated against...and this is TERRIBLE advice.
Thankfully I'm also a lawyer, so I knew what to do. This is NOT legal advice and I am not your lawyer, I'm just talking outloud here. To have a solid lawsuit (should that need arise), you must give your employer the ability to remedy the situation. I did and I was transferred elsewhere and now my life is fabulous. Had I quit and not allowed them to transfer me, I would not have had a solid cause of action.
@snarkhunting is becoming a sarcastic bitch: I didn't say they didn't happen, but companies are aware at the extreme ease with which a plaintiff can prove retaliation, really it's extremely easy to prevail on.
With re: people's resources, many plaintiff's attorney's will take the case on with no money up front.
I work in a small office (no HR) and a new guy started and immediately started making weird sexist comments. It took one day for me to tell the owner and he didn't do anything. The next day after that I told the sales manager while the guy was at lunch. The stuff on his desk was sitting in a box waiting for him by the time he returned from lunch. I am the only girl in the office and I am alone often or just with one other person. This guy was scary and I was not going to stand for it.
What you have to remember is that the HR department works for the same company (possibly person)you are bringing claims against. It is their job to make it painful for a victim to report and succeed in getting anything done. The HR department's entire goal is to keep the company from being sued which almost always is defined by "protecting management."
@CalHobbes: HR works for the company, not for management. A smart HR manager knows that taking swift action to stop harrassment is one of the best ways to protect or win a lawsuit. Unfortunately, there are a stuipd people and therefore stupid HR managers and stupid CEOs who direct their HR departments to do stupid things. If that's the case, then it is important for a victim to show HR that he or she knows the law.
hhhh. this is such a delicate issue. i've dealt with sexual harassment at previous jobs and though i'm not harassed at my job now, but there is a definite locker room mentality and i often feel uncomfortable as only one of two women at our company.
and i can say confidently that women who chose not to fight have their reasons, just as women who chose not to report rape have their reasons. each situation is different, and i hope that we can all respect that.
@argle-bargle? or fou-ferraw?: There is a difference between choosing not to fight and telling women not to fight. Nobody is judging this woman's choice, they are judging her advice to others.
As an HR professional I have to disagree as well. Unless there's a stream of employees leaving due to harassment, nothing will be done about the harasser's behavior unless the harassee sticks around. The harasser will just say "aw man, she's nuts" and that will be that.
I will admit though that there are some fools in my profession. I've had wonderful, compassionate and very fair-minded colleagues but I've come across some colossal dumbasses as well.
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the real advice should be this: report sexual harassment if you have nothing to hide...and by nothing, that means absolutely every single aspect of your life is free and clear to be researched, because that is what will happen whether you like it or not. if you have any dirty secrets or confided in a buddy over beers about any aspect of your personal life that might be construed as unsavory or suspect, be prepared for that little nugget to be put under a spotlight. i'm not saying it's right or fair, but that's how it always goes down in sexual harassment cases.
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After complaining in writing, I was told that if I filed the complaint, life would be very difficult for me and it would affect all of my performance reviews. I ended up leaving due to medical reasons brought on by a hostile, stressful environment. The other people in the department sought transfers.
He's still at the company. WTG, asshole CPA firm.
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WTF? I think this lady is living in a movie. One in which our plucky heroine quits and mopes around picturesquely for 5 minutes before starting a multi-million dollar pie-making business or being miraculously being offered a better job by some rich person who admires the cut of her jib. In real life, unless you have high-in-demand skills and another job lined up, you're going to be in for some real hardship.
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I TOLD my boss. I cried and cried while I told him what happened. I am MORE THAN SURE they thought I was overexaggerating, but after I had to tell him every exact action that man made, he understood what happened. The guy didn't get fired - but he left the office a few months later. There was nothing that they could legally do as this happened outside the office.
I wanted to quit, but my boss refused to let me go. I'm glad I didn't quit - I don't know what would've happened to me if I had left.
You tell your bosses what happened, you have to, and don't let some bullshit mindfuck tell you that it's your feminist duty to let this type of disrespect slide by. No, it's your body and your self worth at risk - she can stick it where the sun don't shine.
So much for cuss-free week.
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He'd make loud snarky comments about how I need to show more cleavage, because isn't that what I was hired for (and I'm an engineer by profession, so, just no;), and how my work was no good, because I was a "little girl way too far in over my head." One day he held up an old Madonna poster and told me to invest in some conical bras, for my career's sake. Another day, he suggested that I go outside and work on a bikini calendar as something productive for the whole office.
What irked me immensely is that as he said crap like this, the twenty people in our vicinity were either quiet, or the other young (male) a-holes giggled at how funny it was.
I got really upset, and luckily confided to one of my good friends who worked in HR. She told me, the company's stance in this case was that he was creating a poisonous atmosphere (unless he made a move on me plus was my superior, it wouldn't have been classified as sexual harassment under our company's policies;), and I had every right to call him out on it as long as I did it per the prescribed channels. This meant,
a) verbally informing him that he was harassing me the next time he said something
b) logging a complaint against him to my manager
c) officially contacting HR if my manager didn't deal.
I only made it as far as step (b). A week later, he shot me a dirty look and marched by me like I was made of poo. He was informed in no uncertain terms that if he spoke to me again, his job would be axed. My cubicle got moved to another floor shortly so I'd never run into him again.
Yes, the people in his group thought I was being unreasonable, but eventually they all ended filing similar complaints against the jackass.
We both continue to work at the same company, two years later. The number of people he is permitted to speak to at work is a rapidly shrinking group. He still doesn't really get it...
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Thankfully I'm also a lawyer, so I knew what to do. This is NOT legal advice and I am not your lawyer, I'm just talking outloud here. To have a solid lawsuit (should that need arise), you must give your employer the ability to remedy the situation. I did and I was transferred elsewhere and now my life is fabulous. Had I quit and not allowed them to transfer me, I would not have had a solid cause of action.
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That doesn't mean they don't happen--and happen without any kind of punitive measures taken to prevent them from happening again.
Most women (and men) in these situations don't have the resources to fight the company.
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With re: people's resources, many plaintiff's attorney's will take the case on with no money up front.
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and i can say confidently that women who chose not to fight have their reasons, just as women who chose not to report rape have their reasons. each situation is different, and i hope that we can all respect that.
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It seems like they do rather often... too often.
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and sadly, i don't think we can 'fix' sexual harassment on its own. it's the symptom of greater societal ills. those have to go first.
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I will admit though that there are some fools in my profession. I've had wonderful, compassionate and very fair-minded colleagues but I've come across some colossal dumbasses as well.