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Georgiaray
12/08/08

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As a recovered or recovering alcoholic, I gotta say that with all due respect to Jezebel, the general premise of this piece is bunk. If a woman drinks because she 'needs to be one of the boys' then she has issues. I would know, I once proudly bragged that I could drink like a man. That comment didn't come from a self-confident young girl. It came from a girl trying too hard to fit in.

Look, I am not one to say drinking ain't fun, and even if you occassionally abuse the crap out of it it doesn't mean your an alkie. But honey, it ain't because you are a feminist. People drink, they always have. It's either because there are more studies going on OR because as woman, some thing have gotten tougher lately - bad economy and everyone running around getting their physical imperfections fixed.
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Jack_Burton
12/09/08

@Georgiaray: Hear, Hear! Well-put.

Studies point to a healthy intake - this was mentioned earlier in the thread. Everyone is a little different in how they deal with substances, but the parameters described by the studies should serve as an indicator that you could be approaching a problem.

I too quit drinking, and might consider myself, for lack of a more descriptive definition, a binge-alcoholic. My problem has never been drinking too frequently, but drinking too much, infrequently. A DUI solved that for me. It lost me a promotion, cost me a crapload of money, caused me humiliation and grief that I couldn't have imagined, not to mention that I could have killed someone.

I went from being the guy in high school that would down a 12-pack in a night, to the guy in college that could drink a case over the course of a day, to the guy who'd work hard and play hard and have six or seven pints of Scottish Ale and 5 Micheal Collins' (rocks) - or if times were tight, 16 PBRs and a few shots of Jim Beam.

Hell yeah, it was excessive. I wasn't drinking to stave off depression, so I deserved to keep the party going when I was having fun, right?

Add up the money and the time that your drinking patterns cost you - you may be surprised. And what you think of as "letting-off steam" might be a way of avoiding dealing with things that you should, including the good stuff.
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Residentdrunkgirl
12/08/08

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Oh god - [www.bbc.co.uk]
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Residentdrunkgirl
12/08/08

@Residentdrunkgirl: and that is why I skip dinner! (plus I get drunk faster for cheaper!)
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Red-headed bookworm
12/08/08

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Well, when I lived with my parents and was over 21, my mom and I would go on trips to the liquor store. My dad likes beer but not hard liquor so those things are more me and mom's kind of things.

Hmm, my boyfriend isn't into drinking much, either. I enjoy the taste of what I drink but don't really drink to get druck.
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AnnoyingFemaleLeadVoiceover
12/08/08

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What the hell are we going to poorly "justify" next in the name of gender equality?
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PilgrimSoul
12/08/08

@AnnoyingFemaleLeadVoiceover: I vote for financial irresponsibility. I choose not to know how to handle my own financial affairs! Quit judging, checking account!
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SarahMC
12/08/08

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We could compile a book's worth of suggestions for effective feminist activism, and call it The Lazy Girl's Guide to Empowering Womanity and Destroying Patriarchy. Chapter 1: Drink.
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PilgrimSoul
12/08/08

@SarahMC: Chapter 2: Strip. And Enjoy It!
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SisterMaryMartha
12/08/08

@PilgrimSoul: Chapter 3: Bake Muffins, Ironically- But Not!
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SarahMC
12/08/08

@SisterMaryMartha: Chapter 4: Get Plastic Surgery.
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rmric0.wedding.photographer.and.manny
12/08/08

@SarahMC: Chapter 5: Vote for every female candidate, it's her right to have completely different opinions from you and your duty to support them.
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SisterMaryMartha
12/08/08

@SarahMC: Chapter 6: Make Out With Your Straight Girlfriends At Bars:AKA Owning Your Sexuality And Getting Free Drinks
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rmric0.wedding.photographer.and.manny
12/08/08

@SisterMaryMartha: Chapter 7: Golddigging
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AnnoyingFemaleLeadVoiceover
12/08/08

@rmric0.yes.we.did!: You missed some of the title! Chapter 7: Goldigging: Being Financially Responsible
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Pork Store
12/08/08

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My husband and I recently had a husband and wife drink-off. The rules were pretty simple: who can drink more miller lite before giving up or passing out? Boot and rally is allowed, but you are docked one beer for every boot. I won 17-15.

Also, my husband is 6'3".

I'm not sure if this is something to be proud of or not....
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Princess Leela
12/08/08

@TheOneWithTheHugeTits: Never mind the moral judgment calls, what we really want to know is: How many times did each spouse boot and rally, and how long did it take you to drink 17 beers?
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PrettyNotPretty
12/08/08

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It took me until I was 23 to learn that people have sex or otherwise hook up sober.

This sad, disgusting realization has made me not drink much anymore. One, maybe two, a month. I get the concept, but I'm not exactly thrilled at this article.
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Mkp-hearts-NYC
12/08/08

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Actually, upon reading the full article, I'm not as hard on the author as I was after the above recap. They're trying to examine why statistics have evolved, and they're acknowledging the huge role of marketing, but also trying to reach out to New York women who may be drinking unhealthily because they think "nobody's counting."
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sweet cuppin' cakes needs coffee
12/08/08

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more animals
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sweet cuppin' cakes needs coffee
12/08/08

@taydee: Oh whoops. Wrong window. Sorry guys.
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Witchtit: Your low productivity advisor
12/08/08

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I also thing it has to do with what is currently interpreted as heavy drinking. When I started drinking in the early 90's a moderate intake was considered at around 14 drinks per week for women. Now, moderate drinking (at least in Canada) is interpreted at around 7 drinks per week (please). In 1993--with my 2 glasses of wine per night I was considered a moderate drinker--now with the same amount I am consided an out of control lush. So, its all in the interpretation--I never used to consider myself a heavy drinker before I was labelled as such.
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prestocaro fears the culling
12/08/08

@Witchtit: I agree. Apparently, more than 3 drinks for a woman, and 4 for a man, in one sitting is binge drinking.

WTF?!
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Witchtit: Your low productivity advisor
12/08/08

@prestocaro: Yep---frankly, I would consider 3 drinks just a bit of an overly festive night. Binge drinking to me involves naked projectile vomitting and waking up in a pee stained bed.

Thanks New Drinking Guidelines--Way to make everybody feel like a cirrhosis-ladden freak.
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sventurata
12/08/08

@Witchtit: Maybe they're comparing it to "moderate smoking?" I drink maybe once a month (maybe two, three drinks per session), and consider myself moderate. But smoking-wise, I smoke a pack of cigarillos once a year, and feel guilty calling myself a "non-smoker"...
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rmric0.wedding.photographer.and.manny
12/08/08

@sventurata: It's just like being non-alcoholic, you just have to fall below a significant threshold.
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rmric0.wedding.photographer.and.manny
12/08/08

@rmric0.yes.we.did!: Non-alcoholic as in the category of beer (which I think is like .5 percent alcohol or something), rather than someone who is simply not an alcoholic.
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Penny_Esq
12/08/08

@Witchtit: Me too. And that guideline doesn't seem to take into account the amount of time it takes one to power down those three drinks, or the context in which you're drinking them. For me, three drinks in an hour is going to get me pretty drunk. Three drinks in two hours, a little tipsy. Three drinks over the course of an evening - three hours or more - and I'm more than capable of driving home. And I can't reconcile the idea of "binge drinking" with my family's holiday tradition of drinking what amounts to almost a bottle of (very nice) wine apiece over the course of five or six hours, accompanied by a humongous meal.

I usually drink two glasses of wine a night. I steadfastly refuse to consider that binge drinking.
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aubonpam
12/08/08

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Paging Jean Kilbourne to the women and booze thread, Jean Kilbourne to the women and booze thread...
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Bucket_O_Fun
12/08/08

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Age has a lot to do with it also. I don't drink anywhere the amount I used to 10-15 years ago. Back then I used to go out five nights a week and bounce right back. Now, If I have more than three drinks, I have to have an IV and a bottle of aspirin and try to talk my liver into functioning again.

I always promise to "Never drink this much again". But that is like a new years resolution. It only lasts about a month.
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gherkinfiend
12/08/08

@Bucket_O_Fun: I used to drink a lot more because it's actually quite a cheap way to pass the time...

Have a bottle of wine before you leave the house for about £4, be drunk enough to require one drink in the bar (also known as so drunk men will buy you more drinks for kicks) and there's a night out with change from a £10 note. Tricky to do that when you go for dinner or a movie.

Then I got so skint even really cheap booze is out of my price range most of the time!
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Mkp-hearts-NYC
12/08/08

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Also, the whole "women were all teetotallers in the middle of the century" reeks of BS. AA was founded by 100 men and a woman, and many of women who came into the program as it grew and wrote about their experiences talked about being secret drinkers, concealing their dependency because of the stigma it carried.
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Kali Mama
12/08/08

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I've been a stay at home mom for the past years and believe me, I've been drinking.
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Sophie needs to study...damn
12/08/08

@Kali Mama: Hahaha!
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Sophie needs to study...damn
12/08/08

@Sophie needs to study...but isn't: I (am going to) heart you.
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Kali Mama
12/08/08

@Sophie needs to study...but isn't: When you start to watch the clock obsessively from 4 pm on, you've got a problem.

Mommy's little helper, anyone?
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Cookie Guggleman
12/08/08

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I remember reading an article very much like this more than 25 years ago in Glamour (when it was a good magazine). It was very much "young professional women can be hardcore alcoholics, too, just like the menfolk!" But don't mean to trivialize because it was one of the things that helped me to face my own drinking. Very servicey!
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Mkp-hearts-NYC
12/08/08

@Cookie Guggleman: Exactly. I feel like these types of articles either amuse people who are comfortable with their drinking, get people defensive who are less comfortable, and remind people who've sobered up about their drinking years.
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