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Jezebel 
11/03/08
11/03/08
Just because I haven't decided, and you have, I should 'stay home and (not) vote'?
BULLSHIT!
(sorry this rage is directed toward many on this thread, not trying to single you out. Some undecided voters are informed and have their reasons, but on this site we're treated like we're idiots. THIS IS WHY I HAVEN'T POSTED ON THE POLITICAL THREADS PRIOR TO NOW. My views may not align w/ yours, but I can and will use my right to use every SECOND available to think long and hard about how I want to vote. This DOES NOT make me racist, or stupid, or any of the other crap I am reading on here. Like I said before, I cannot wait for the election to be over, so that I can come to Jez and feel comfortable posting on topics w/o the fear of being treated like an idiot by people who don't even know me.)
11/03/08
11/02/08
Honestly, this thread makes me wish I were undecided. I have been decided since before this circus even really began (yellow dog Democrat, right here), but idiotic nastiness towards other people's TOTALLY REASONABLE AND LEGAL choices--whatever those choices may be--always drives me towards a contrarian position. I really, truly fail to understand how third-party voting or indecision or, hell, even flipping the goddamn coin makes much of a difference. It doesn't insult those who fought for the right to vote. People fought so that EVERYONE could vote--even those we'd rather stayed home. Even those whose views we find abhorrent. And, yes, even those who have no views whatsoever, and make knee-jerk decisions in the voting booth.
It's a fucking RIGHT. Like the rights to life, liberty, and property. I'm not going to sit here and pass vicious judgment on people who haven't made a choice or whose choices I might personally think are fundamentally stupid, because they're exercising their rights as citizens of this country--and their rights include the right to vote for anyone or no one at all.
If there was a tone of snark or even humor to the nasty comments here, I wouldn't mind so much. But instead, we have people in fairly privileged positions calling out others for exercising their rights as they see fit. Nice.
11/03/08
that is all. ;)
11/02/08
11/03/08
I do not have to make up my mind until I am in that booth. I am leaning toward Obama, but some of his plans do not jive w/ what I am looking for in a prez. HOWEVER, McCain/Palin's views on women's health scare the CRAP out of me. Bottom line: I will choose when I damn well want to, not when folks like you try to intimidate me to either vote like you or stay home.
11/02/08
11/02/08
Also, my Grandma has suggested that she will vote for Obama after he proves himself after four years of the Presidency. This could be a whole new strategy for undecideds- why decide THIS election? There are potentially four more years after these four!
Of course, this is coming from someone who voted for Bush twice, but as my Grandma reminds me, Bush did not screw up the country alone, so she saw nothing wrong with voting for him after the first screwed up term. However, if the country fails even more under Obama, it will of course be his fault.
I am so sick of real America.
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"I mean, how are there undecided voters? Why is this such a close race? How? I don't understand. How can anybody be happy with the way things are going now, how we're viewed in the world and what is happening to the majority of Americans, from their take-home pay to the troops at war, to the price of health care. How can anybody think that we need another four years of this to see where it's all going to pan out? How can that be a solution? It's like staying with a husband who beats you, because he tells you how much he loves you and it's for your own good, because if you just listened to him and did what he said, he wouldn't have to beat you so hard (notice how he didn't say he'd stop beating you?). Oh, and that husband hates your gay friends. Thinks they're evil to the core. And he kind of hates your black friends, too. He does like your Hispanic friends; they do great work around his house. He wants them to go back to Mexico when they're done cleaning up, though. Don't want them getting comfortable with our way of life."
11/02/08
She listens to what the TV tells her and tends to go with the popular opinion. But the evolution of McCain's campaign has ultimately pushed her away from favoring a GOP win. Her ignorance has given way actually considering to frightening realities of a McCain victory. He's old, what if Palin becomes Prez? What if I, her only daughter, is raped and cannot get an abortion? What if she, on her 30k salary has to take a 3rd mortgage out on her house because McCain really doesn't give two shits about Main St?
And finally, after watching Obama's infomercial the other night, she realized she had to vote for Obama. Even as a former Bush supporter, she could not consciously make such an irresponsible decision this time around. She called me last night to confess her support for Obama, instructing me to not tell this to anyone. It is a secret.
So I'm going to go ahead and hope/assume the undecideds at this point are really just not telling. Right? And they will all vote Obama and he will be our next POTUS and on Wednesday we'll wake up and hold hands while skipping down the street.
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For all those who are seriously pissed off with the undecideds, I have to agree with Tasia. The ability to spend hours upon hours, month after month, dwelling on the differences between the candidates, or shoring up evidence to support your views, is a luxury. It comes with a level of socioeconomic comfort that isn't available to everyone. And WTF difference does it make if someone is undecided two days before the election? The only time it matters is when they walk into that voting booth. And if that person wants to vote for Mickey Mouse, it's their goddamn right. Sitting around blithely declaring that the uniformed should have the franchise taken away is awfully reminiscent of literacy tests...
11/02/08
See my mental illness makes me indecisive on a lot of stuff but exceedingly passionate about politics
I agree with you though that it is a luxury to spend hours upon hours researching candidates, but really al that is needed is to spend one or two really looking at the issues and you should know who represents your views best, if you're going to flip a coin, as some suggested, then no that person doesn't deserve to vote. Vote for someone I hate fine, but flipping a coin for a vote is a slap in the face to everyone who fought for the right to vote.
11/03/08
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Love. Him.
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*I am not Barack Obama, but I approve this message.
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I think it's terrible that people will inevitably tell you you're throwing away your vote. I think that a vote you believe in is better than a vote you place with regret.
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I agree that most people will find their issues being represented primarily by one of the two candidates, and that some will have to make some concessions. I don't think that being unsympathetic to undecideds is fair -- just because your core values aren't being addressed by the major parties doesn't mean that they will automatically be in the others. I really understand where some of the people in the article are coming from, having dealt with this same thing in 2004.
11/03/08
Don't get me wrong. I'm all about Obama, but he is nowhere near to the left of the issues like I am. I'm extremely progressive. I would be absolutely ripe for the picking for the Greens and any other progressive party that might come along. But as long as they're run by people who just flail their arms and spoil elections, and attract nothing but people who don't have a clue about how our political party system works, and think votes are about nothing but making themselves feel warm and fuzzy inside by voting for ideological purity, then I want nothing to do with them.
Voting is about change. It's not about feeling good about yourself. It's about knowing there's a world out there beyond your own nose. You know, it didn't do any of us any good the past 8 years to know that the Green voters in 2000 felt good about their votes and thought their consciouses were clear. How nice for them. Too bad they didn't actually vote effectively where their vote would actually have made a difference. There were enough Green votes that would have put Gore in office. But their own feelings about their vote mattered more than the actual world outside of themselves. That's too bad, isn't it? See, the actual world outside of myself matters more to me. So what if there's a candidate that I personally feel more warm and fuzzy about? If they don't have a chance in hell, and voting for them means McCain might have more of a chance? I'm voting for the better candidate that actually has a chance, because I care about the world outside of myself. I care about the people that might go and die in a war, or might die from lack of healthcare, or might lose their homes because the economy tanks further. I'll give a thought to them. I wish 3rd parties would get their act together BEFORE the big elections so they didn't have to wreck it for everyone. Until they do, they don't get my support. I'm not into spoiling it for everyone.
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