If you want to read the "best" part of the football player assault story go over to Deadspin and look it up. Her father blamed her for the incident saying, "I hate to see this guy get in too much trouble because I honestly think it was probably initiated by my daughter. I don't think he laid a hand on her. He just tried to restrain her to keep from getting hit again"
Well, she did walk up and slap him, and they were both booked on the same charge, so it doesn't sound like either party really deserves much sympathy in this situation.
@Katxyz: If he had let it end there I would be all for her being held accountable, but he not only continued the altercation when she was walking away, but escalated it. She slapped him, he "chased down Grzyb" and then "grabbed [her] by the back of the neck and hair with his right hand and pushed her downward in what appeared to be an attempt to push her to the ground". You're right, though, that neither of them are blameless.
@elephantshoes: It was fast too, so there wasn't a ton of new re-hashing. She tested positive, didn't challenge at all, accepted her sanction and retired.
I feel something wrong like disturbance in the force wrong if they give him a plea bargain. The guy needs help and 19 cats, with maybe more is a huge sign that something isn't right.
Many serial killers have a history of killing animals, but not many people who kill animals go on to be serial killers. Let's get our venn diagrams straight, here. The same applies to juveniles involved in sexual offenses: kids who sexually offend are not sex offenders, they are kids who made bad decisions. To label them as future sex offenders is unjust, inaccurate, and self-fulfilling. If you want to start jumping the logic tree, just start arresting kids who've been sexually abused so they never have a chance to become abusers themselves. Slippery slopes, indeed.
Is killing for fun wrong? Could kid use an intensive behavioral intervention? Are cats cute and do I like them? The answers to all these things are yes. Would I feel safer living by this kid than a 7 year old that drives around a 3,000 pound machine? Sure would.
@eggwich of the hill people: I think the "future serial killer" assumption is based on him allegedly killing 19 cats (at least). This is no one-time shooting a pigeon in the park to see what it's like to kill something incident...
@queensissy: He has issues, I'm not saying he doesn't, but to assume those issues will continue, and escalate, is irresponsible. There is a HUGE difference between killing humans and cats. I eat animals everyday, yet I don't plan on...
Sorry for that last line, just playing the logical leap game.
@eggwich of the hill people: I understand what you're saying, but your initial comment isn't in response to anything specific here in the comments, so I'll take it as a random observation on some of the rest of the comments here.
I don't care what he will do in the future, I care what he has done right now. Which is: to kill domestic animals. Killing an animal that was raised to be killed and then used as food (and hopefully with the rest of its body doing something marginally productive as well) is very different from torturing and murdering domestic animals which might have belonged to families (I'm not familiar enough with the case to know if they actually did) or should have at least gone to a shelter and been dealt with through legal channels.
I don't think the issue here is if he will kill humans in the future but that he has done something abhorrent right now.
@geckogirl: valid point, and fair enough. I just don't draw a line between animals raised for food and animals with which people form emotional attachments.
And I think I've made the error of assuming that we were using the term serial killer to refer to the killing of humans. Apologies.
Just to put it out there, people like this also usually suffered some sort of domestic abuse themselves. Not to mitigate his responsibility, of course, but it just goes to show that this cycle of violence usually goes back pretty damn far.
@mbprice: I know violence creates violence. But do serial killers generally come from abuse? Because these killings seem to follow a sociopathic serial killer pattern to me that suggests something beyond a history of abuse.
@mbprice: A very good point. People like this do not just pop up out of nowhere. There is often a history of abuse or trauma, as well as biological/genetic factors. It's not as simple as a guy waking up one day and deciding to kill cats.
This is one of those instances in which I preface my desire with "I'm usually not a violent person, but....." and then reveal my desire, which is to tie this piece of excrement to a pole and then heave bricks at his face until he's dead. I realize that this brand of violence is what you'd call extreme, but I simply cannot stomach the thought of a thing like this being allowed to continue breathing. This is also one of those instances that makes me want to just give up on humans altogether and go live in the woods with a menagerie of pets.
@..now it's just Aesop's Foibles.: I would also like to add that I am not having a good day and that's why my latent humanity-hate is pouring out. Apologies.
This kid needs to get some serious mental help now, before he starts killing people. I hope they put him in jail for a loooong time, but he better undergo some intensive counseling, too.
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Well, she did walk up and slap him, and they were both booked on the same charge, so it doesn't sound like either party really deserves much sympathy in this situation.
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As for the guy who bought the cottage in Withnail and I, this is the win of the week. I want to send him a live chicken as congrats.
I'm making time!
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Is killing for fun wrong? Could kid use an intensive behavioral intervention? Are cats cute and do I like them? The answers to all these things are yes. Would I feel safer living by this kid than a 7 year old that drives around a 3,000 pound machine? Sure would.
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Sorry for that last line, just playing the logical leap game.
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I don't care what he will do in the future, I care what he has done right now. Which is: to kill domestic animals. Killing an animal that was raised to be killed and then used as food (and hopefully with the rest of its body doing something marginally productive as well) is very different from torturing and murdering domestic animals which might have belonged to families (I'm not familiar enough with the case to know if they actually did) or should have at least gone to a shelter and been dealt with through legal channels.
I don't think the issue here is if he will kill humans in the future but that he has done something abhorrent right now.
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And I think I've made the error of assuming that we were using the term serial killer to refer to the killing of humans. Apologies.
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Second of all: some people genuinely are born evil. Sociopaths are more often born than made
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Also, this is why I'm glad to live in a state where animal torture is now a FELONY.
http://www.animallawcoalition.com/animal-cruelty/article/346
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