Um, Dodai, aren't you the woman who frequently waxes poetic about the goodies you see in the J.Crew catalog? Or the Delia's catalog? Why are you so much more ambivalent about Anthropologie?
"Since the prices are so high, if you didn't shop at Anthropologie, you could probably afford to fly somewhere and buy some "unique" stuff yourself."
Um, no. I can't afford to travel abroad. And I probably can't afford that bed. But I might indulge in the shams or the duvet. It's as close as I'm going to get to Paris for a long time to come. So what if part of the Anthro experience is escapist? I can't travel to France for a fortnight. But a few minutes in Anthro on my lunch break is a nice little break from my reality. I realize that's what I'm paying Keith and his cronies for, and I'm fine with it.
"Or just go to your local flea market and give a local dealer your business."
Well, I do that too. Why does it have to be either/or?
When I was in college, me and my friends somehow stumbled across an anthropologie catalog and proceeded to lust and dream about all of the clothes.
Yes, the prices seemed expensive and ludicrous, but we were all poor and assumed that because it was beautiful and expensive it must be worth it.
When I graduated and moved to a new city, there happened to be an anthropologie store in the mall. I sorta flipped out and squealed to all my friends that I was going to go to anthropologie and get a swanky dress.
When I actually got in the store... I wasn't disappointed per se, I actually saw it as pretty nifty. I ended up buying a few nice things, but I found that I don't really wear them as often as I do my other staples from cheaper stores.
I have trouble hating on this show, because there's still a little poor girl in me who likes this store and wishes she were rich enough to shop there.
This show bothers me only because this guy has the best job on the planet and I don't.
It's interesting how we can sit and read posts about the shows at Fashion Week, which, I"m just going to assume, features pieces that I could never afford, yet Anthro gets slammed for being overpriced. Unlike some of those clothes, I *LIKE* that bed. I actually understand it.
While it's important for a company to be transparent about their politics and shady business practices (something UO and Anthro have definitely had their share of) it's also important to remember how insanely difficult it is to make a living as an artist. And yes, I consider Keith to be exactly that, not to mention the folks he buys from. The truth is that there are tons of hard-working and super talented people out there and sometimes.. once in a while.. they have to get paid.
Think about the other places you shop, eat and the other shows you watch on a routine basis and what you think the political affiliations of the people behind them are. Yeah. It's fucking exhausting.
This is a show about a guy who travels to awesome parts of the world, finds equally awesome art and antiques in order to makes his stores look that much interesting and unique. When's the last time Forever 21 did that for you?
i see dodai's point - inasmuch as anthropologie locations do have different decor in them, the look and feel and ambiance is basically the same in every single location, so how is paying for the "uniqueness" really justified, especially because anthropologie is a specialty retailer that has corporate backing and their products are very, very, very expensive to the rest of us five-figure salary earners?
on the other hand, this guy has a job and he's good at it...the proof is in the pudding known as anthropologie's sales. that said, i'll walk through an anthropologie store now and then to get inspiration and look for/buy the same type of items at cheaper places like a local thrift store or perhaps even target, also a big corporate company but still offers more affordable items to the everyday consumer.
there's also an element of etsyness to this...anybody who has a smidgen of creative craftiness can replicate aspects of the stuff sold in anthropologie. obviously the hollywood bed can't be duplicated easily, but someone with a camera phone can try to match the anthro items if they gave it some effort.
I'd love to see the clothing buyers too - or the in-house designers figuring out what is boho and chic and what is tacky. I have to go to anthro to tell the difference . . .I am a lemming.
@FireflyinJuly: Adobe did some case studies of sorts when they recently released CS4, and they visited UO headquarters to see the Anthro team at work. It's mostly the catalog designers, but they talk to a lot of other people and you kind of a get a behind the scenes look. It's interesting.
I share your unease, Dodai. Although for me, it has more to do with the fact that Anthro is owned by Urban Outfitters, which has a history of stealing from artists and selling very offensive, often racist items. I think that is great that Keith is buying from local artists, but the bed knock-off made me really uncomfortable and the show's concept-- white guy travels the world to buy exotic, boho items for upper middle class Americans-- could easily go to a bad place.
And there is that pesky fact that Richard Hayne is a staunch supporter of right-wing causes, so some of the profits for that bed will go to ultra-conservative politicians and organizations.
If you knew how much it was to travel to France, buy the product, and have it shipped back, you'd rather he did it.
I think what I like the most about this is that what you are seeing, for the most part, are genuine.
I have a much harder time with places like Restoration Hardware, and Z Gallarie, which knock off established designs with inferior materials and craftsmanship.
@NerD: Blattella: Also, being on the West Coast, you have no idea how jealous I am of the antique shops and resellers you have available to you in just the Brooklyn area alone.
There are Mid-Century pieces collecting dust in shops there that would fetch 4 times the asking price in LA. And don't get me started on the garage sale opportunities you have.
Sorry if this is sounding like I'm going off on a tear, but this is a serious hobby that I am working into a career.
"This requires spending thousands of dollars to travel and shop. So that a mass retailer looks like a quaint boutique." So we're hating on this guy because he spends money to make money?
I'm surprised to see this, especially right after Jezebel devoted so much coverage to the various Fashion Weeks. Those runway shows cost $$$$$, last a few minutes, and are only attended by the invited few. Sure some of the looks trickle down to the masses (remember Miranda's speech to Andy about "stuff" in TDWP), but couture fashion is incredibly exclusive. Anyone can walk into an Anthropologie store, or get the catalog, and buy something cute for under $10--and some of that cute merch is based on items/ideas that this guy sniffs out.
@lavendermint: Yes, soap, and plenty of other toiletries. And coffee bowls and other tableware. And greeting cards and other papergoods. And drawer pulls for your own antique/vintage furniture. (Plus their sales are excellent.)
It's not about recreating the store at home, it's about capturing the feeling.
@ragincajun67: This is a great point. It's not about Anthropologie tricking people into thinking they've stumbled on a unique boutique each time they pass a store. It's about branding. It's about giving customers the same sense of escapism every time they enter one of Anthro's stores. There are people on the staffs of Restoration Hardware and Pottery Barn and Williams Sonoma all doing the same thing for their brands as well.
I do love Anthropologie, even if their target market is women 35-55 who make over $100k/year. But I don't shop there much. For one, there's not one nearby - I live on the neglected side of Michigan, which I guess is a blessing, because no one here expects me to have fancy stuff and I can get by swimmingly on a modest salary. For two, Anthropologie's catalogs always remind me of what I might find at a consignment boutique, or a thrift shop, even Goodwill. And I can leave a nice consignment shop in my town with an armload of stuff for $60, so why would I pay that for one t-shirt with some asymmetrically threaded ribbon going up the chest?
Their catalogs are beautiful, I will say that. And I still get them in the mail, unlike J. Crew, who appears to have broken up with me without saying so.
@rixatrix: I lived on that side of Michigan for a while. The old, detailed houses there would look faboulous with Anthropoligie-ish stuff. It's not my style, but god I want to see it happen.
@rixatrix: I love Anthropologie too. I am not someone who makes over $100k a year, but they have amazing sales. I've gotten some really pretty dresses there for pretty darn cheap.
I keep seeing people, in comments and in this article, say that you could buy a ticket and fly to France for what you pay at Anthropoligie. Really? REALLY? The $200 I spend on a dress there will not get me airfare, food, lodging, and expenses (esp. not including 400 Euros for a schooldesk). The price difference between doing what he does, and buying the results of it at Anthropologie are not even comparable.
I think he did 'need' a huge peice for the store. It's his job to get items for the store and to create a specific environment. While it may seem frivolous it's his job and there are things that he needs to be successful at it.
And this is great because i do on a hobby basis what he is doing for a living.
OMG! We have code words when we do this as well! Ours are related to a TV show, and what our opinions are of the characters. I have no game face, so SO has to do the haggling. If I've seen something I have to leave the area around it, and use the code word, then she goes back and looks.
I've never been into an Anthropologie because they don't have any in Canada, but some of these pieces look amazing (specifically, the french artist's work).
Has anyone ordered any of their things online?
@thecameralovesyou: I don't know where you live, but they did open two stores in Toronto - one in Yorkville and one at the Shops in Don Mills. I haven't been yet for fear of spending too much money, so I still don't know what they're like.
@thecameralovesyou: Yep. With their clothes, you have to worry about sizing since they carry so many different designers/brands, but you seem to be intrigued by their housewares, which should be no problem to buy online. Anthropologie.com, if you're interested!
@thecameralovesyou: Yes, their stuff is great, especially if you can get it on sale. I'll admit, it is expensive, but goddamn they've got some beautiful stuff. Order with confidence!
@thecameralovesyou: I've ordered two items online. A skirt that luckily had customer reviews urging to buy a size up. Honestly, I could have gone another whole size up but it fits and it's adorable. The other was a dress that was pretty much right on in sizing. I think the comment about different brands is probably right on.
@all: Thanks for all the suggestions! Apparently I don't get out much - I'll definitely check out the stores in Toronto. Maybe I should leave my debit at home just so I don't drain the account.
I don't exactly understand what the specific objection is, here--I know that the knockoff pieces (like the bed) are selling the idea of uniqueness without the actual fact of it, but as far as the pieces that actually ARE just one or two or thirty of a kind, is the problem just that they happen to be sold at a chain store? The idea of a chain incorporating some merchandise produced on a small scale, purchased directly from the maker, is sort of an interesting model. Though their markup is crazy.
@tewkesbury: I would have thought this sort of experimental, abstract approach to modern American retail would be applauded. He is providing clients with what they want, and giving them access to things in the US they would have little chance of coming across otherwise. The job itself is wonderful and bizarre and goes against the grain of what Target and Ikea have envisaged as a sellable environment in the 21st century. I think this is fantastic, and while I agree the pricing is a bit extravagant, just like I avoid the Shabby Chic boutique despite liking a lot of what is in it, so too should others just avoid Anthropologie then.
@ampersandparade: my real problems with Anthropologie have nothing to do with this--which I also thought would be applauded--and everything to do with Richard Hayne's donations to Rick Santorum, which I shudder to think were supported even infinitessimally by my purchases of dreamy sweaters.
I've got to admit though, he found some amazing things. Like the art from the French woman. After watching the show I immediately Googled her and sent links to friends who enjoy art. If I come across some of her work in my local Anthro, I'll buy it in a heartbeat.
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"Since the prices are so high, if you didn't shop at Anthropologie, you could probably afford to fly somewhere and buy some "unique" stuff yourself."
Um, no. I can't afford to travel abroad. And I probably can't afford that bed. But I might indulge in the shams or the duvet. It's as close as I'm going to get to Paris for a long time to come. So what if part of the Anthro experience is escapist? I can't travel to France for a fortnight. But a few minutes in Anthro on my lunch break is a nice little break from my reality. I realize that's what I'm paying Keith and his cronies for, and I'm fine with it.
"Or just go to your local flea market and give a local dealer your business."
Well, I do that too. Why does it have to be either/or?
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Yes, the prices seemed expensive and ludicrous, but we were all poor and assumed that because it was beautiful and expensive it must be worth it.
When I graduated and moved to a new city, there happened to be an anthropologie store in the mall. I sorta flipped out and squealed to all my friends that I was going to go to anthropologie and get a swanky dress.
When I actually got in the store... I wasn't disappointed per se, I actually saw it as pretty nifty. I ended up buying a few nice things, but I found that I don't really wear them as often as I do my other staples from cheaper stores.
I have trouble hating on this show, because there's still a little poor girl in me who likes this store and wishes she were rich enough to shop there.
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It's interesting how we can sit and read posts about the shows at Fashion Week, which, I"m just going to assume, features pieces that I could never afford, yet Anthro gets slammed for being overpriced. Unlike some of those clothes, I *LIKE* that bed. I actually understand it.
While it's important for a company to be transparent about their politics and shady business practices (something UO and Anthro have definitely had their share of) it's also important to remember how insanely difficult it is to make a living as an artist. And yes, I consider Keith to be exactly that, not to mention the folks he buys from. The truth is that there are tons of hard-working and super talented people out there and sometimes.. once in a while.. they have to get paid.
Think about the other places you shop, eat and the other shows you watch on a routine basis and what you think the political affiliations of the people behind them are. Yeah. It's fucking exhausting.
This is a show about a guy who travels to awesome parts of the world, finds equally awesome art and antiques in order to makes his stores look that much interesting and unique. When's the last time Forever 21 did that for you?
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i see dodai's point - inasmuch as anthropologie locations do have different decor in them, the look and feel and ambiance is basically the same in every single location, so how is paying for the "uniqueness" really justified, especially because anthropologie is a specialty retailer that has corporate backing and their products are very, very, very expensive to the rest of us five-figure salary earners?
on the other hand, this guy has a job and he's good at it...the proof is in the pudding known as anthropologie's sales. that said, i'll walk through an anthropologie store now and then to get inspiration and look for/buy the same type of items at cheaper places like a local thrift store or perhaps even target, also a big corporate company but still offers more affordable items to the everyday consumer.
there's also an element of etsyness to this...anybody who has a smidgen of creative craftiness can replicate aspects of the stuff sold in anthropologie. obviously the hollywood bed can't be duplicated easily, but someone with a camera phone can try to match the anthro items if they gave it some effort.
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And there is that pesky fact that Richard Hayne is a staunch supporter of right-wing causes, so some of the profits for that bed will go to ultra-conservative politicians and organizations.
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I think what I like the most about this is that what you are seeing, for the most part, are genuine.
I have a much harder time with places like Restoration Hardware, and Z Gallarie, which knock off established designs with inferior materials and craftsmanship.
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There are Mid-Century pieces collecting dust in shops there that would fetch 4 times the asking price in LA. And don't get me started on the garage sale opportunities you have.
Sorry if this is sounding like I'm going off on a tear, but this is a serious hobby that I am working into a career.
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I'm surprised to see this, especially right after Jezebel devoted so much coverage to the various Fashion Weeks. Those runway shows cost $$$$$, last a few minutes, and are only attended by the invited few. Sure some of the looks trickle down to the masses (remember Miranda's speech to Andy about "stuff" in TDWP), but couture fashion is incredibly exclusive. Anyone can walk into an Anthropologie store, or get the catalog, and buy something cute for under $10--and some of that cute merch is based on items/ideas that this guy sniffs out.
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It's not about recreating the store at home, it's about capturing the feeling.
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Their catalogs are beautiful, I will say that. And I still get them in the mail, unlike J. Crew, who appears to have broken up with me without saying so.
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And this is great because i do on a hobby basis what he is doing for a living.
OMG! We have code words when we do this as well! Ours are related to a TV show, and what our opinions are of the characters. I have no game face, so SO has to do the haggling. If I've seen something I have to leave the area around it, and use the code word, then she goes back and looks.
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Has anyone ordered any of their things online?
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"If I come across some of her work in my local Anthro, I'll buy it in a heartbeat. "
Which is kind of the point :D, give the man credit, he has a great eye.