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GirlFailer
11:01 AM

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So she poisoned the mom, then tried to poison the baby after it was born? Isn't that attempted murder? I hope the mom feels safe enough to come out of hiding soon.
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Triana Orpheus
11:06 AM

@GirlFailer: That baby didn't have any say in the situation, so for her to do that is the evil cherry on her heinous cake.
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J.D.Regent
10:55 AM

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Why can't it just be poisoning? Is it not bad enough that she gave the mom these toxic drugs?
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BuffySummers
10:53 AM

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If you read the link, she actually managed to convince the mother to take abortion pills by posing as a nurse and telling her they were to prevent Down's syndrome. She then smuggled poisoned liquid (disguised as breast milk) into the hospital to kill the baby after he/she was born prematurely. So twisted, and further proof that people in real life really are even more twisted than the writers on CSI. Sigh.
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NellMood
10:54 AM

@BuffySummers: That is so unbelievably horrible. Jesus Christ.
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OneTwoPunch
11:14 AM

@BuffySummers: Seconded. That is just friggin' horrible. What terrors women have writ upon each other OVER A MAN. Like men are some rare resource which must be fought over, to the death, if need be. Unreal. Just find another guy!
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LoSpaz
10:53 AM

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I think this story defines the idiom "crazy like a fox." I mean, obviously, Kisha Jones is not right in the head, but to plan this all out the way she did?

I feel terribly for the new mother, dealing with a premature child and knowing that someone wants both her and her child dead.
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ainsworth2
10:48 AM

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if you're going to target anyone, how about target the cheating husband?

I hate it when women go after the other woman instead of the man in these scenarios.
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ElleL
10:50 AM

@ainsworth2: Thank you! Of course they're both wrong, but YOUR husband knocked her up! Why don't you take it out on him in court, rather than go all vigilante abortion doctor/TOTAL PSYCHO.
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likepenguins
11:06 AM

@ainsworth2: This is what drives me crazy about affairs. Look, maybe she shouldn't have slept with your husband, lady, but she's not the one who is breaking marital vows, here.

This idea that women are *~*temptresses*~* who seduce poor, feckless men away pisses me off. Men aren't stupid; they make their own decisions.

Of course, this lady is clearly psychotic, so.
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OneTwoPunch
11:08 AM

@likepenguins: Exactly. Oh, the poor wee MAN was lead astray. Riiiggght. A grown man suddenly becomes the hapless victim too often in these adulterous situations.
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Snowbunny
11:10 AM

@ElleL: Best part: poisoner was the mistress, wife was the poisonee.
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ainsworth2
11:12 AM

@likepenguins: Exactly. And there's the possibility preggo-homegirl didn't even know.

See, this is why I'm a fan of unofficial background checks. The guy I'm talking to now -- nice dude, possibly the nicest dude I have ever met. But I definitely made sure that his story adds up, thanks to my handy dandy arsenal of deep-search, beyond-google search engines and lexis-nexis. Do I sound mildly nuts? Probably. Am I alive and snarkin on Jezebel? Hell yes.
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likepenguins
11:18 AM

@OneTwoPunch: But it's not their fault! They're genetically predisposed to cheat! Cause of how some other animals without highly-developed neocortexes or socialization or morality have intercourse for the sole purpose of creating offspring (and not for pleasure, like humans)!

If I were a man, I'd be pissed off that society seems to think I'm a witless moron who doesn't understand how to make simple decisions on my own.
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likepenguins
11:22 AM

@ainsworth2: word. I did it with a dude earlier this year, who, later, came over all conscience on me and informed me he was married with kids. I didn't care, in the sense that I wasn't going to feel guilty about having a one-off with a guy I didn't know was married, but I certainly wasn't going to continue the little hook-up. But, had he not told me, I probably wouldn't have thought to ask.
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BabyJane
10:46 AM

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This makes me want to go back to bed and pull the blankets over my head. Unbelievable!
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pesematology
12/01/09

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What an insult to Amelie.
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Ipomoea
12/01/09

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Ugh, I am so tired of this. The Italian justice system makes me want to tear my hair out, and the media coverage in both the States and Europe isn't much better. Just fucking deliberate, and leave the devil-fueled sex games out of it. I'm tired of Amanda Knox being UW's ambassador to the world.
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Tchotchke
12/01/09

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I'm not sure that I understand why the prosecution decided "lurid sex games" was the angle to use. It just seems so...bizarre. Am I missing something? I've been following the case and still don't understand that part of it.
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J.D.Regent
12/01/09

@Tchotchke: it's hard to read about this case and not feel overwhelmed with stereotypes about Italy.
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Tchotchke
12/01/09

@J.D.Regent: Yes. And I wish that I could read Italian and perhaps gain a better understanding of the Italian perspective on this trial is.
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Amber Helvey
12/01/09

@Tchotchke: You should read "Monser of Florence" by Douglas Preston. I just finished it this weekend and it's a disturbing look at the Italian justice system. It also paints a damning picture of the way some devastating serial killings were investigated, and how many innocent lives were ruined. In the edition I read, the afterword focuses on Amanda Knox and how this bizarre sex game theory seems to be based on no evidence, and was in fact started by the same people who completely botched the Monster case by insisting that the Monster was involved in a Satanic cult instead of actually looking at you know, evidence and facts, and forensics and such. It's frightening how it seems like there is so much make-believe happening in the police work.
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Tchotchke
12/01/09

@Amber Helvey: Oh, thank you for recommending that to me! I have actually heard of the case, but had forgotten all about it. A few years ago, there was a television program about the Monster case and the Italian justice system, which I found riveting. I've studied the Italian judicial system a bit, because my studies focus on international law, but not in the depth that I would like. Once again, thank you for recommending that book to me; I will be adding it to my "must read" list. :-)
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Jack_Burton
12/01/09

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Has he even watched Amalie? Because there's like some pretty complex things going on behind the "naive" girl's eyes...
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Maggita
12/01/09

@Jack_Burton: Because naivete and wondering how many couples orgasm at a given moment go hand in hand.
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Smartipants
12/02/09

@Jack_Burton: There was a French movie starring the actress from Amelie that made this point exactly - half was told from her point of view where she was hanging out with her boyfriend and the other half was from his point of view where she was a crazy mental patient stalking him. Brilliant!
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sybann
12/01/09

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This is disgustingly bad lawyering.
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mfnher
12/01/09

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Does anyone have an update on when this is going to jury deliberation? It seems like she's been on trial forever.
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winner
12/01/09

@mfnher: She has been. The Italian courts aren't exactly a model of efficiency. Also, they take a long break in the summer.
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gherkinfiend
12/01/09

@mfnher: I think I read on the BBC at the weekend that this is the last week of the trial.

Of course I can't find the link now so I'm not sure. It really is endless...how can the jury retain so much information over so long? It sounds like a recipe for a quick deliberation by the jury and a possible miscarriage of justice just to get the whole thing over. Not good.
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smama
12/01/09

@winner: I took a course in European Legal Systems outside of Florence 2 years ago, and you're right - the professor seemed quite ashamed of the molasses-pace of their courts.
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winner
12/01/09

@smama: Exactly. I am so appreciative of the American judicial system after studying the legal systems of other countries.
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voteforpedro
12/01/09

@smama: Um, yeah. Cause Europe is totally a country with the same laws everywhere.
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onestrawplz
12/01/09

@voteforpedro: Notice smama said "European Legal SystemS," implying that the class probably included information about many countries within Europe...Italy was probably one of those countries, because Italy is notorious for its...interesting legal system.
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onestrawplz
12/01/09

@winner: Italy itself isn't exactly a model of efficiency. Love the place, but it's way more relaxed than what Americans are used to. It gets frustrating, but it's a different culture & different way of life.
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smama
12/01/09

@onestrawplz: @voteforpedro Yes, onestraw has it right. We looked at Italy, France, Germany, Spain, the UK, and also pulled in some Australian law and Canadian, since that's where we students were normally studying. It was officially titled Comparative European Legal Systems, but it didn't occur to me that it was important to be highly specific on that..
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Tchotchke
12/01/09

@smama: I took a similar course two years ago, and what I found fascinating about Italy was: a. the inefficiency, especially when compared to the United States and other European nations, and b. the sheer magnitude of corruption. Granted, the corruption issue is not as bad today as it was prior to the late '90s, but still, it's incredible.

Also interesting is that in Russian trials, there are three sides: prosecution, defense, and the victims' families. From a legal standpoint, I find that fascinating because it completely alters the balance and mood of the trial. Sorry to nerd-out there, I couldn't resist!
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smama
12/02/09

@Tchotchke: I agree! I also liked how a bit of historical perspective added to my understanding of a particular nation's structure - like, states where dictators in the past had judges in their pocket tend not to have systems where constitutional issues are handled by the judges at all in the modern era. Seeing how other places set up their checks and balances gave me greater insight into why we have certain processes in Canada and made me less likely to just accept a structure or system as 'how the law works' in general. Nerds 4eva!
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voteforpedro
12/02/09

@smama: Oh, in that case I'm sorry. I thought the "professor was ashamed of" bit refered back to the European Legal Systems bit, and not only to the Italian legal system.
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smama
12/02/09

@voteforpedro: Ah, I now see how that was a bit unclear. No worries!
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BuffySummers
12/01/09

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Have they ever actually given any details (or theories) on what these supposed "sex games" entailed? That explanation just seems like this very general buzz word/phrase that makes people who already want to see her as some evil American whore nod their heads furiously and forget that it doesn't actually mean anything.
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lizyfizy
12/01/09

@BuffySummers: Whenever I hear people refer to "sex games," I imagine they're playing tag.
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Katxyz
12/01/09

@lizyfizy:

Naked?
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morninggloria
12/01/09

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She and Jenny Sanford look like they could be related.

Just me?
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
12/01/09

@morninggloria: Jenny has that "justified revenge" glow about her, though. I'm not quite seeing that here.
(But that could be just me.)
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morninggloria
12/01/09

@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: I think that something about her eyes. Both women have similar eye-regions.
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Rooo sez BISH PLZ
12/01/09

@morninggloria: Maybe that's an outer manifestation of similar inner point-of-view regions?
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LaFemme
12/01/09

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"60 percent imagination and 40 percent reality."

Not how I would want my mental state described if I were on trial. Yikes.
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hortense
12/01/09

@LaFemme: Right? That's the exact opposite of what she should be saying.
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