Why is it so wrong to think some of the pictures from these shoots are beautiful? I'd LOVE to replace my stuffy, cheesy bridal portrait with one of me and my husband frolicking on a beach in our finery. Sadie, I understand your point and for those that wish to donate their dresses for a good cause: wonderful. What I don't understand is all the judgment going on here.
oh, eff's sake. Look, a lot of people (I am one) still feel like no one should really see the dress before the wedding. That leaves the time between the wedding and the reception - half an hour? if you've been nice enough to give your guests some booze to drink in the meantime? - to take photos in your wedding clothes. What's wrong with hauling the dress back out in a few weeks and actually taking some fun photos in it? It's my dress!
@likepenguins: Do you know what I hear in your comment? Mine, mine, me, me, mine. Yup, it's your dress and you can do whatever the fuck you want with it but guess what? We're grown ups now. Here's the deal, I won't judge you for choosing to trash your dress as opposed to donating it to a woman that doesn't have the same privilege as you do as long as you don't judge me for not wanting to trash my dress.
@Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.: You know what, strike that. It's horseshit because I will judge and at least I'll fucking admit it. It enrages me that someone would rather take some fun pictures in a dress than give it to someone that is less fortunate than you. I'm not going to apologize for that.
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Donate the dress or trash it "in the name of art." I'm offended on behalf of the sweatshop workers and fashion designers who made the dress in the first place.
At least, when it's donated, it will live a second life helping someone. I am an artist, but I think helping someone in need is more powerful than any artistic statement.
@roxythekiller: Thank you. I'm not perfect but to know that there are others out there that could use it and to still whine about how it's "Myyyyyyy Dayyyyyyy" just infuriates me.
I have trouble with the Trash the Dress thing as well. Like Sadie said, there are options - mine is to donate my dress to an organization that makes burial/christening garments for babies that are stillborn or die shortly after birth.
In the parents' time of grief, it seems at least a bit helpful/a small kindness to not have to worry about THAT among everything else. It's a lot less fun thing to do with one's dress, but felt like the right thing for me.
I can't really get that much out of making this kind of judgment. Really, the "trashing the dress" trend comes off as a wedding-related ritual of inversion, which are not that uncommon when it comes to rituals surrounding marriage - is it really that different from a bachelor/bachelorette party? I read once about a rural tradition in France in which the still-single young people in a village would force the to-be newly weds to consume champagne and chocolate-covered bananas out of a chamber pot.
Yes, these can all sound weird and consumerist and privileged (though I doubt anyone would call the last 'snotty'), and they are all of those things in the face of a mass wedding pulled together with what little was available, but I'm not sure what's trying to be said by this other than that somehow engaging in the "trash the dress" act isn't even just consumerist - it's somehow tarnishing what's is for many an incredibly important part of life, and experience that many won't be able to have. But I'd argue first that these sorts of things are not uncommon or born of modern consumerism, that in some ways they support a social cohesion that reinforces the view of the importance of marriage and the wedding itself - and, finally, that it can be kind of a dangerous line to toe at what acts are acceptable when it comes to weddings and marriage. Wedding shows and the wedding industry are obviously a self-sustaining cycle of creating and selling fads - I don't see that this isn't really special or particular in that, or any more 'obscene' than five-figure wedding dress or designer napkin holders.
I think what bothers me about this whole thing is that I can only imagine that these are the same women who go through great pains (and lots of dough) to find "the perfect dress". Why, after going through all that would you want to "trash" the dress?
Other people in this thread mentioned that usually the dress isn't actually trashed but in the video shown above the couple is throwing paint at each other! So yes, the dress is getting trashed. It just seems like such a waste.
Honestly all the people I talk to about weddings (not that there are many) say that really, the bride and groom tend to have little say in the way events play out. It's them putting on a celebration for the guests, not for the occasion of the marriage itself, which seems like a huge fuckin' drag, if you ask me. I think, if you're going to have a wedding (and really I don't think you should, but it's not up to me), you might as well make it your own somehow, and if trashing your dress makes the event more special to you somehow, okay that's cool.
As has been said, it's not more or less valid than putting it in a box for 20 years. Why are we singling out the disgusting privilege of trashing a dress someone else might want and use? So you could give it to charity, but you know what, you should be giving to charity a lot more anyway. You shouldn't be throwing out half the shit you throw out on a regular basis. You shouldn't eat be eating meat either, or spending lots of money on all sorts of luxuries. You should be driving your car less. If we're going to point out the immoralities of our banal lives, we might as well go after all of them, no? Why single out this one just because it seems extra snotty to us? Where's the blog post about how restaurants throw out their food at the end of the night while people are hungry on the street? (and yeah, I'm using the same irrational appeals to outrage used in the blog post, but I'm irked in the same Sadie is presumably irked. And we have crying after a movie in common too. I just watched Milk!)
And honestly, it seems conspicuous to me that this admonishment for consumerist excess comes from a blog that shows such a great interest in the fashion industry. Granted, there is a tremendous amount of craft and art ("real art", as opposed to this fatuous, privileged art!) in fashion, and (I assume) we're just admiring all that, but come on, it's pretty damn excessive. I love you Jezebel, but come on now. Be real, people. We're all awful in our own little ways.
Aw shit, you know what, don't take me too seriously. I'm young and bored at work and this thing probably deserves better treatment than I'm giving it. This is like my 5th edit. Jesus Christ I can really gab can't I?
I don't like the idea that people with money are obligated to help out strangers who don't, especially in really specific scenarios like this. Let people do whatever they want with the dresses they paid for.
@BadenBaden: I'm for universal healthcare, and I don't have any qualms with paying government-mandated taxes. In fact, I've reported quite a few people for committing social security and disability fraud because I really don't believe in cheating the government that way. But the rest of the world just isn't entitled to the rest of my income or personal property.
Ok, I'm a wedding photographer, and I've done this with several brides and I did it after my wedding. MOST people who do it don't actually TRASH their dress. Mine was fine after I got it cleaned, and it's now waiting for my sister, who loved it and wants to wear it should she ever get married. Not one of the brides who did it with me ruined their dress to the point where it couldn't be worn again or easily cleaned/fixed/donated/sold. It's rare that people actually dump paint on it or get mud everywhere. Those are just the ones that get attention. For mine, I went to an abandoned train station. For ones I've shot, we've gone to parks, a baseball game, a sunflower field, etc....
It's just a chance to wear your dress again and have some beautiful pictures that you can't get/don't have time for on your wedding day.
I "trashed" my dress by running through some fountains that shot out of the ground near my favorite museum, and I don't regret it. It was the most fun I'd had all day. I got my dress wet. Who cares? I cut it to peices afterwards to make a quilt. SUE ME.
"Trashing the Dress" is rarely as destructive as it sounds - in most cases, it merely means a chance to have some fun in a fancy outfit, something you can't really do on your wedding day because you're taking photos and have spent so much money to look "perfect". I have photographer friends, and their "trash the dress" sessions involve the bride and groom in the ocean, playing in the grass, climbing playgrounds - all fun things; no paint or motor oil involved. I got married 7 years ago, but I plan to do a trash the dress session soon - then again, my dress was only $300, and my fondest memories of the day have nothing to do with what I was wearing but rather who was there.
@Kimli: "it merely means a chance to have some fun in a fancy outfit, something you can't really do on your wedding day because you're taking photos and have spent so much money to look "perfect"."
That is not true. It is not necessary to be uptight and strive for some pre-determined level of so-called perfection on one's wedding day.
I've been married nearly twenty years and went through great pains and expense to preserve my dress which was handmade for me so I don't really get it either.
The meaning behind trashing the dress, as I understand it, is to symbolize the idea that you won't ever need it again. As in, there will be one wedding and one wedding only. I don't necessarily agree with it but that's how it's been explained to me.
@heatherdazy: You're not supposed to take it literally. The photographers and brides I heard from said that trash the dress was symbolic of the need for only one wedding. It is becoming a popular tradition in conservative Christian weddings for that reason. That might not be the original purpose of it, but these brides are doing trash the dress as part of their covenant marriage.
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At least, when it's donated, it will live a second life helping someone. I am an artist, but I think helping someone in need is more powerful than any artistic statement.
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that said, i did pay a lot of money to have it cleaned and then i donated it, and i hope someone had as much fun in it as I did.
wanton destruction, though? I can't get behind that.
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In the parents' time of grief, it seems at least a bit helpful/a small kindness to not have to worry about THAT among everything else. It's a lot less fun thing to do with one's dress, but felt like the right thing for me.
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Yes, these can all sound weird and consumerist and privileged (though I doubt anyone would call the last 'snotty'), and they are all of those things in the face of a mass wedding pulled together with what little was available, but I'm not sure what's trying to be said by this other than that somehow engaging in the "trash the dress" act isn't even just consumerist - it's somehow tarnishing what's is for many an incredibly important part of life, and experience that many won't be able to have. But I'd argue first that these sorts of things are not uncommon or born of modern consumerism, that in some ways they support a social cohesion that reinforces the view of the importance of marriage and the wedding itself - and, finally, that it can be kind of a dangerous line to toe at what acts are acceptable when it comes to weddings and marriage. Wedding shows and the wedding industry are obviously a self-sustaining cycle of creating and selling fads - I don't see that this isn't really special or particular in that, or any more 'obscene' than five-figure wedding dress or designer napkin holders.
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Other people in this thread mentioned that usually the dress isn't actually trashed but in the video shown above the couple is throwing paint at each other! So yes, the dress is getting trashed. It just seems like such a waste.
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As has been said, it's not more or less valid than putting it in a box for 20 years. Why are we singling out the disgusting privilege of trashing a dress someone else might want and use? So you could give it to charity, but you know what, you should be giving to charity a lot more anyway. You shouldn't be throwing out half the shit you throw out on a regular basis. You shouldn't eat be eating meat either, or spending lots of money on all sorts of luxuries. You should be driving your car less. If we're going to point out the immoralities of our banal lives, we might as well go after all of them, no? Why single out this one just because it seems extra snotty to us? Where's the blog post about how restaurants throw out their food at the end of the night while people are hungry on the street? (and yeah, I'm using the same irrational appeals to outrage used in the blog post, but I'm irked in the same Sadie is presumably irked. And we have crying after a movie in common too. I just watched Milk!)
And honestly, it seems conspicuous to me that this admonishment for consumerist excess comes from a blog that shows such a great interest in the fashion industry. Granted, there is a tremendous amount of craft and art ("real art", as opposed to this fatuous, privileged art!) in fashion, and (I assume) we're just admiring all that, but come on, it's pretty damn excessive. I love you Jezebel, but come on now. Be real, people. We're all awful in our own little ways.
Aw shit, you know what, don't take me too seriously. I'm young and bored at work and this thing probably deserves better treatment than I'm giving it. This is like my 5th edit. Jesus Christ I can really gab can't I?
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Out of curiosity, what's your stance on universal health care?
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It's just a chance to wear your dress again and have some beautiful pictures that you can't get/don't have time for on your wedding day.
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That is not true. It is not necessary to be uptight and strive for some pre-determined level of so-called perfection on one's wedding day.
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The meaning behind trashing the dress, as I understand it, is to symbolize the idea that you won't ever need it again. As in, there will be one wedding and one wedding only. I don't necessarily agree with it but that's how it's been explained to me.
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