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Sunflowercat
07/03/09

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I feel a little better about the kid after reading that he fetched his mother and the puppy was OK. I was having what could most politely be described as "uncharitable thoughts" until then.

I probably have a form of antisocial personality disorder (although I should point out that I didn't until I worked years of retail) -- I'll take animals over people just about every time, and I would have no problem with the cat killer (or Michael Vick) being executed. None at all. At some point a society has to recognize that there are clear signs of trouble coming, and harming animals is one of them, even if the person responsible is a nice, possibly affluent, not coincidentally white young guy. Some crimes are not only inexcusable, they're symptomatic.

I should also point out that I have a cat who was targeted by dogfighters as a practice animal and lost a leg as a result, so I'm not impartial here. But I'd feel anyway that this guy needs to go.
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sybann
07/02/09

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Tyler's eyes are dead.
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SisterRay73
07/02/09

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Gahhh I hate seeing that guy's picture all huge on every article that mentions him. It gives me the willies and I can barely read the other stuff in the article!

Sorry if I'm being obnoxious, but after reading about what that guy supposedly did, it just makes me all....arrrrhgghghghghghhbalaaahhhh go awayyyyyy.
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Ultraprison!
07/02/09

@SisterRay73: I had to read really fast and scroll down past his eyes.
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librariesare4lovers
07/02/09

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Isn't violence against animals like #1 on the checklist of behaviors that psychoanalysts use to determine if someone has some kind of psychotic/anti personality disorder? Like along w/ bed wetting and fire setting? Or is that just pseudo-science that I heard somewhere?
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TexasCrude
07/02/09

@librariesare4lovers: I believe it is called zoosadism. From the NYT,

"The FBI has found that a history of cruelty to animals is one of the traits that regularly appears in its computer records of serial rapists and murderers, and the standard diagnostic and treatment manual for psychiatric and emotional disorders lists cruelty to animals as a diagnostic criterion for conduct disorders."

Which if history in notorious serial killers is any indication, it's correct (see Jeffrey Dahmer, BTK). I think it's almost a prerequisite for serial killers, psychpathy, etc., judging from profiles of these people.
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BytheSea
07/02/09

@The Hand-Walking Queer (texascrude): MOST serial killers tortured animals but NOT ALL animal torturers become serial killers. It's a wossname, logical proof thing.
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GoldenRatioφ (aka -girl11)
07/02/09

@BytheSea: Definitely, but NYS has made it a felony to assault an animal with the intent to cause great pain. It's easier to track these people and see what comes of their violent tendencies if they have violent felonies on their records. Of course, kids would be juvenile or youthful offenders anyway. Of course not every person who shows cruelty towards an animal will end up hurting a human, but considering how horrible it is to hurt an animal in the first place, it makes sense to have laws to punish this behavior.
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TurtleSpeak
07/02/09

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Babies are always creepy. But the music was good.
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DramaClub
07/02/09

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Well, duh. When my husband is away for work, I am also in poorer mental health than when he's nearby. Sexual deprivation takes a toll, kids.
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Bgirl_Hamster
07/02/09

@DramaClub: So right. I was going to question the sample size and get all deep about it. Then I read your comment. Common sense, FTW.
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CollegeCamel
07/02/09

@DramaClub: I haven't seen my boyfriend in a month. I am a CRAZY PERSON right now.
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gangey
07/02/09

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Re: the commercial.

I don't know what I think, but my one year old was watching VERY intently and I think he was getting some dangerous ideas.
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Ultraprison!
07/02/09

@gangey: I. Love. Your. Screen name. And. I'm. Hearting you for it.

Just thought you should know.

"We should really start production on Gangey 2."

-"Well, she is thinking of getting a chemical peel."
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girlleastlikelyto
07/02/09

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Did anyone see a news story about a four-year-old kid in England who flushed a puppy down the toilet? The media tried to make it cute, like, "Aww, he thought puppy needed a bath!" But there was just something "off" about that -- four-year-olds don't flush puppies down the toilet to wash them. Because of the link between harm done to animals and later violence to people, it just creeped me out. I feel sure that the "bath" story is a lie and the kid is going to have problems. Like this horrible cat-killer.
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SarahMC
07/02/09

@girlleastlikelyto: That stupid British kid. Boyf and I were as horrified as you. Why is a toddler unsupervised with a newborn puppy, first of all. The video of that poor little thing broke my heart.
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BellaTricks
07/02/09

@girlleastlikelyto: If the kid really was four, I'd theorize that the fault was the parents', for not teaching the kid about proper pet care. I teach and babysit kids around that age, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they believed that putting a puppy in the toilet and flushing was a good way to give it a bath.

The cat-killer, though... I can't give that the benefit of the doubt in the same way.
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Dodgergirl
07/02/09

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I'm going to assume the commercial is creepy, because the link made my firefox run around angrily yipping and then sit down and refuse to move until I force quit. Plus, just the phrase "Babies dancing on rollerskates" sort of gives me the willies.
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Ailanthus-altissima
07/02/09

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I love Marie Curie. I did a project on her in 5th grade because she was my hero. She was smart, no-nonsense, and Polish. I wanted to be just like her (minus the radiation poisoning).

Also, when I was little, my dad would read my bedtime stories that were just biographies of famous mathematicians, including Hypatia and Ada, Countess Lovelace. They were awesome.
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gangey
07/02/09

@Ailanthus-altissima: I did a 6th grade report on Poland (which I chose because I'm a quarter Polish) and did a lot of research about her. I was also in awe.

Though after reading The Double Helix in high school, I started dividing my lady-scientist love between Curie and Franklin. To the point that if I ever have a daughter her name will either be Marie or Rosalind.
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Plate2.18
07/02/09

@Ailanthus-altissima: Marie Curie was awesome, and so was Rosalind Franklin. She really got ripped off.
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Ailanthus-altissima
07/02/09

@Plate2.18: Seriously! I would keep Curie above Franklin on the list, but Franklin really did get ripped off.
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TexasCrude
07/02/09

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I think MoGlo would have a thing or two to say about those no good mooching jerks in the Evian commercial.

I shall just reserve judgment until then.
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swimmingly
07/02/09

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The Evian commercial is clearly fake and therefore cute to me. How that person wonders if it's real is beyond me...babies can't do that. All they do is eat and poop and be cute. Duh. Except when they cry.
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TexasCrude
07/02/09

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I would gander that Newsweek is right.

In criminology, it's often been noted that killing animals is a stepping stone, if you will, to killing people. Jeffrey Dahmer and lots of other serial killin' folk killed animals when they were younger.
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AFever
07/02/09

@The Hand-Walking Queer (texascrude): I think its just that it all goes to a common underlying problem (symptom?) of a lack of empathy for other creatures whether they be human or animal.
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TexasCrude
07/02/09

@AFever: In a word, sociopathy.
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BellaTricks
07/02/09

@The Hand-Walking Queer (texascrude): See: Bundy, Ted.
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emilia21
07/02/09

@The Hand-Walking Queer (texascrude): but the question is what percentage of those cruel to animals graduate to attacking people. I'm sceptical as it's always easy to get carried away by the most sensational outcome.
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ChickyOnly
07/02/09

@The Hand-Walking Queer (texascrude): But on a different note, aren't sociopaths often curiously kind and empathetic toward animals (and often little kids)? I think I've read that in several places, usually when a writer is dissecting the Tony Soprano character. I suppose sociopaths come in all different varieties.
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TexasCrude
07/02/09

@ChickyOnly: I would take that kind of empathy to be part of a superficial charm, no? Besides serial killers, a lot of CEO, fat cats kinds of peeps would also be called sociopaths. They employ this kind of "charm," I guess, to further themselves. Feigning empathy, charisma and a sense of liking to serve an ulterior motive would kind of go in hand with something pathological.
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Schm
07/02/09

@The Hand-Walking Queer (texascrude): There was a cat-killer in my neighborhood growing up. He was going around shooting arrows (like, from a bow & arrow) through cats and putting them on fences. I was a kid and was so terrified for my cat, it was all over the news.

Anyway. They caught the guy eventually and he turned out to live right down the street from us. He was an adult, and from a VERY wealthy family. And if I remember correctly, the police put some kind of long-term surveillance on him because of that same exact theory, that he might graduate to killing humans next. Scary as hell.
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TexasCrude
07/02/09

@emilia21: Well, of course not all people who pull wings off flies as children go on to be psychopaths. It's easy to get up in arms about something like that, it being cruel and alarming. It's just an interesting observation that killing animals would show that the torturer wouldn't have empathy, ergo, it's led to wonder if they would also not feel empathy if killing a person.
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ChickyOnly
07/02/09

@The Hand-Walking Queer (texascrude): Oh I definitely agree that sociopaths can be very charming and charismatic. But I think that a sociopath feeling protective of animals was something separate from the charm. Something based on animals being unable to take care of themselves, and never having bad motives. Of course, I can't find what I was looking for online, so I could just be remembering this weirdly.
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TexasCrude
07/02/09

@ChickyOnly: Caring for something, in a sense, doesn't...I don't know, like click with the profile of a sociopath. At least, I think. If you're protective of something because it can't take care of itself, wouldn't you call that empathy? Empathy, something that sociopaths can't feel or employ?
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ChickyOnly
07/02/09

@The Hand-Walking Queer (texascrude): Right, which may be why I'm having trouble finding the article that I read about this. I suppose there must be some sort of spectrum of sociopathy? Maybe it's just for sociopaths-lite!
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J.D.Regent
07/02/09

@The Hand-Walking Queer (texascrude): maybe, but isn't it a little tabloidesque for Newsweek to base an article around a therapist who doesn't know the kid? Seems sensationalist to me.
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TexasCrude
07/02/09

@J.D.Regent: That is true! But you know, my everyperson stance is that I just generally agree with the theory even if didn't have to do with the cat killer.
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Ultraprison!
07/02/09

@The Hand-Walking Queer (texascrude): Also bedwetting and starting fires. The three combined are prettymuch a cocktail for criminal behavior.
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