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    Image of mattchew03 mattchew03
    07:17 PM

    In reply to Latex, Sex & A Burning Sensation: An Analysis Of Lady Gaga's New Vid
    Also, one of my friends said this today on Twitter and I think it had a good ring to it:

    "Hey, Britney Spears, you can go shave your back now. And take your last six videos with you." #ladygagabadromancevideo
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    Image of Richard Lawson Richard Lawson
    07:14 PM

    In reply to Do Young Men Need A New Kind Of Masculinity?
    How do gay dudes like myself fit into all of this?

    Honest question. #masculinity
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    Image of sybann sybann
    07:05 PM

    In reply to Bon Voyage, Betty! And Other Meditations On Mad Men
    Wow - my age is showing. I not only don't hate Betty - I understand her. She could be my mother - although my father wasn't a "Don," my mother was certainly bored and miserable with the slot her tab was supposed to fit into.

    She did get happier when she started working when I was in HS but was never really happy with her role.

    She's very happy now. She doesn't have to take care of anyone other than herself for the first time in her life . I can't imagine being a prisoner to everyone else's expectations. Aren't you glad we don't have to be? We get to chose. #madmen
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    Image of tiredfairy tiredfairy
    06:48 PM

    In reply to Bon Voyage, Betty! And Other Meditations On Mad Men
    I doubt this is the last we'll see of Betty. Too much of how the show deals with a certain aspect of womanhood/class and sexism in that era rests on her experiences and viewpoint.

    The thing about Betty is...you're supposed to find her all the things people find her. Pampered. Hollow. Superficial. Cold. She is those things, because she's been made those things. Because no one has ever expected more from her, so she doesn't even know she could be more...although I think she has glimpses of it. And there are clearly embers of a need to be something...to get out...to figure out some other life than this. Women at that time were supposed to be happy little extensions of their husbands, content with a life where they were basically indentured servants. Even with all the privileges in Betty's life, she's still trapped and caged. A pretty prison is still a prison.

    To me, Betty's character is all about restriction. Restricted emotions, restricted choices, restricted ideas, a restricted life. She's a woman on the brink, stuck in a world that limits her, stuck with her own limitations...stuck with a life she should want but doesn't.

    The people who don't understand why she's with Henry seem to have missed the whole scene about divorce then. Even if Don doesn't fight her, he hasn't exactly proven himself to be trustworthy. She has no career, and though she's clearly educated, the only job she had was modeling. She's not really in a position to effectively navigate the world. And Henry is, in every way, a far more transparent man than Don. He lives his life in the public eye, working for a politician. He's not in a position to lie and mislead her the way Don was.

    Betty is, in many ways, what the stereotypical "childish" woman comes from. Because women were treated like children. By partners, by the law, by society. It shouldn't be shocking to anyone that some people can't just snap out of that. And the whole point of her character is exploring where a person like that comes from, and what they do. I find it fascinating because it's so unlike me.

    I think hating her is convenient. Because admitting that women are, in a lot of ways, still expected to be like her is scary. And we resent it. And we resent women like her because they didn't just get out of it. Because we want more agency than that. And identifying with Betty, even in a small way, must feel like admitting that there's still something compelling in that version of womanhood. Otherwise I don't see how anyone could go around defending or forgiving Don as a character while condemning her. #madmen
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    Image of Where The Mild Things Are Where The Mild Things Are
    06:48 PM

    In reply to Bon Voyage, Betty! And Other Meditations On Mad Men
    A lot of liberals, I've found, are bored with Betty for another reason entirely. They can't understand why she doesn't just pick up and leave already, if she's so unhappy. We're on the other side of it—-so feminist that it's hard to wrap our minds around the psychology of someone who isn't.

    I really like this assessment - and I think I end up defending her a lot because of it.

    As for January Jones's acting ability - I'm kind of excited to see her this weekend in SNL, just to prove she can do something than 'ol frozen, deadened-soul-face-lady (I've never seen her in anything else.) #madmen
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    Image of junani junani
    07:08 PM

    @Where The Mild Things Are: and she does it so well, but I was very surprised to catch her in a very different role in Love Actually. But that's true, I haven't seen her in anything else, but I'm thinking she's going to ace at SNL rather as Jon Hamm did. #madmen
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    Image of MsFeasance MsFeasance
    06:46 PM

    In reply to Latex, Sex & A Burning Sensation: An Analysis Of Lady Gaga's New Vid
    In photo 15, she looks like Courtney Love.
    Also, re: photo 32:If anyone told me two weeks ago that I'd one day be incapable of distinguishing between Stefani Germanotta and Gwen Stefani, I'd have told them to put down the crack pipe. And yet, here it is. #ladygagabadromancevideo
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    Image of eatsshootsleaves eatsshootsleaves
    06:31 PM

    In reply to Latex, Sex & A Burning Sensation: An Analysis Of Lady Gaga's New Vid
    God, I really want to love her, but her music is as forgettable as she is memorable. She needs to team up with Timbaland or something.
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    Image of mattchew03 mattchew03
    06:27 PM

    In reply to Latex, Sex & A Burning Sensation: An Analysis Of Lady Gaga's New Vid
    I said something similar on ONTD, but I think the most amazing thing about this video is that it shows that -- post-TRL and "Making the Video" and over-hyped World Premieres -- someone still gives a damn about making a good music video, and that's awesome. Music videos aren't nearly as influential as they used to be; they won't be shown several times a day on MTV (or even several times a week) and they won't be a major drive for album sales. The fact that Gaga actually CARES enough to make an incredible video for her fans -- regardless of what it does for her -- is what matters most here. #ladygagabadromancevideo
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    Image of Sputnik_Sweetheart Sputnik_Sweetheart
    06:50 PM

    @mattchew03: I couldn't agree more. I'm sick of all the dancing girls in front of a white backdrop. It is so nice to see someone actually trying for a change. #ladygagabadromancevideo
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    Image of boxspelunker boxspelunker
    06:07 PM

    In reply to Latex, Sex & A Burning Sensation: An Analysis Of Lady Gaga's New Vid
    She's a whole lot of fun, isn't she? I really enjoy her. It seems like she's taking this fame thing and just doing crazy shit with it, of which I approve! #ladygagabadromancevideo
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    Image of Niko Bellic Niko Bellic
    06:20 PM

    @boxspelunker: she's taking this fame thing and just doing crazy shit with it

    True, all kinds of crazy shit. Some day, she may even decide to make a song that you'd want to hear more than once. Then again, so many of other people are doing that... it wouldn't be that special. #ladygagabadromancevideo
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    Image of Hana Maru Hana Maru
    06:01 PM

    In reply to Bon Voyage, Betty! And Other Meditations On Mad Men
    I agree that internalized sexism has a lot to do with the inordinate Betty hate that abounds among MM fans.

    Personally, I don't hate her, and I don't identify her primarily as a privileged person in her world. Her husband has a lot more privilege and agency than her, and he treats her terribly.

    The "She should just leave" crowd, which turned into the "Henry Francis is just another Don Draper; she should just leave and be single" crowd, is misguided in my opinion. Note how much more receptive the lawyer was to her prospects when came in with HF. She would lose her kids for sure without another husband and she doesn't want to do that. She has no assets to her name, not even her father's house, not because she hasn't been working, but because she's been laboring for free for Don for all these years. She couldn't get hired anywhere, even for peanuts as a secretary. She has no credit, she couldn't get a loan, what would you have her do?

    As for her and HF not knowing each other for long, the long courtships of today were not the norm then. Part of the reason for this was the economic imperative for women to marry, and part of this was the social and legal barriers to premarital sex, including the illegality of abortion and restricted access to b.c.

    Henry Francis is not dismissive of her thoughts and desires. He treats her like an adult, and so far, he's been honest with her. He seems not to need to be married to advance his career, as Don does. I hardly see where the comparison is between the two men. #madmen
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    Image of mcnez mcnez
    06:25 PM

    @Hana Maru: Thanks for the perspective.

    Betty's problems represent conflicts long before and long after the 1960s, so why are we pretending that Betty should have made a choice to leave without support, when we all know people who feel just as trapped in the 21st century? Some laws may have changed, but some attitudes haven't. #madmen
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    Image of Hana Maru Hana Maru
    06:35 PM

    @mcnez: Around here, we don't stand for the "Why won't she just leave!" meme when applied to women today. We recognize that there are real barriers and logical reasons why they wouldn't always.

    It amazes me that the attitude proliferates among Jezzies about a woman fifty years ago. #madmen
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    Image of quatrevingtquatre quatrevingtquatre
    06:48 PM

    @Hana Maru:
    How can you tell he isn't dismissive of her thoughts and desires? They have had like 20 minutes of screen time this whole season. I understand the justification for her leaving, but Henry Francis isn't awesome just because he isn't Don Draper.

    And I was never in the "she should leave him" crowd because any marriage she gets into in 1963 is going to be some level of what she has now. #madmen
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    Image of Hana Maru Hana Maru
    07:04 PM

    @quatrevingtquatre: Who said it was about you?

    In the conversations they've had, he's consistently taken her seriously and listened to her. Yes, they don't know each other very well, but it's not realistic for them to just date open-endedly. The culture has changed a lot since then.

    Betty wants to be married, but to a more caring, more honest man. There's a big difference between Don and just any man she might marry. #madmen
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    Image of Eric Northman is mine Eric Northman is mine
    06:01 PM

    In reply to Bon Voyage, Betty! And Other Meditations On Mad Men
    Wow, you brought the same comment I made in regards to the Feminine Mystique applying to a certain demographic of women Particularly when Betty jets off to Reno and leaves Carla behind with her kids. What about her kids and family? After a long day of work, Carla and other women who didn't have the option not to work, have to go home and still be in charge of running the household/catering to her husband. For this reason, I've always emphatized a lot more with Carla than any other woman on the show. #madmen
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    Image of whynotshesaid whynotshesaid
    05:51 PM

    In reply to Can Scott Roeder Really Use The "Necessity Defense?"
    The AP is reporting that he is not using the necessity defense and that there is no such thing in Kansas. #scottroeder
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    Image of OneTwoPunch OneTwoPunch
    05:51 PM

    In reply to Bon Voyage, Betty! And Other Meditations On Mad Men
    Interesting demise of their union. At different points, I thought Betty would, in her desperate unhappiness, O.D. on pain pills or pass out on the couch with a cigarette lit to a house fire, OR, steal all of Don's cash out of his secret stash, and then make a run for it and never come back.

    But, a Vegas divorce is a much more logical and saner conclusion to their horribly fraught sham of a marriage.

    At last, an end to his multiple affairs and her petulant, listless sulking, all of which deeply impacted their children. May he find peace with the teacher, and her with the silver fox she ran away with.

    What a depiction of the loneliness and the hell of a bad marriage! Riveting to watch.
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    Image of futuremouse futuremouse
    05:44 PM

    In reply to Bon Voyage, Betty! And Other Meditations On Mad Men
    I think the last scene with Betty and then the cut to Carla with the children is a perfect cap to the arc of the show this season. All these characters are struggling and clawing to keep hold of this perfect world that's slipping away. And it turns out, what their trying so hard to keep hold of is, as Latoya has pointed out, privelege, pure and simple. Mad Men is, I think, brilliant for its willingness to show us the beauty and the glamour and the gilded image of these people's lives and then tear it away and reveal what's underneath.

    The brilliance of Betty's breakdown, and the gorgeous Feminine Mystique melodrama of it all, is predicated on the fact that she is allowed, and able to do so because she has Carla. She has the luxury of having this massive collapse and sitting for days in the same gorgeous dress because she knows someone else will make sure things function.

    That's not to say her distress is not real or heartbreaking. It is, but Betty's proto-feminist awakening is set against the backdrop of Carla's constant presence which is, I think, the most interesting part of that story arc. At the end of it all, Betty can fly away with her new man and Don can start all over because they are able to leave the kids at home with Carla while they are off finding themselves in their new lives. But at the same time, every season, the ability of all the characters to coast on the priveleges given them by their race and class has been slipping. I'm extremely interested to see how this continues. #madmen
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    Image of MediasBlue MediasBlue
    05:39 PM

    In reply to Latex, Sex & A Burning Sensation: An Analysis Of Lady Gaga's New Vid
    Thank you Dodai! #ladygagabadromancevideo
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