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    Image of JerseyGrrrl JerseyGrrrl
    12:47 PM

    In reply to Message To Obama: Abort The Stupak-Pitts Amendment
    So let me make sure I'm getting this. Any people who receive federal aid to use toward their medical insurance can't be on a plan that covers abortion in any way? So like... men, elderly women, infant girls..... THIS IS OVERKILL YOU HYPER-VIGILANT WOMAN HATERS. This is so much mania on the chance that a woman might in her time on the insurance elect to have an abortion. Is this really what these legislators are so fixated on?

    In fairness, I can understand keeping people's tax money separate from what remains (to my disgust) such a controversial procedure. After all, I wouldn't want my tax money to support something I don't believe in .... oh wait. #healthnuts
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    Image of PilgrimSoul PilgrimSoul
    12:44 PM

    In reply to Message To Obama: Abort The Stupak-Pitts Amendment
    So it's things like this that make me feel confused and Canadian. I understand crazy right-wingers endorsing things like the Hyde Amendment. Obama? Well, it breaks my heart that apparently being a calm, even-minded centrist here still means you gotta pay lip service to "we are not in some way sneaking in funding for abortions." Women are sneaky and immoral. Got it, dude. #healthnuts
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    Image of deeemer deeemer
    12:32 PM

    In reply to Message To Obama: Abort The Stupak-Pitts Amendment
    You know, I can see why everyone's upset about this, but honestly, it's not like one woman will be getting an abortion every year. It's a one-time cost, on average. You know what else are costs that are not covered under the government insurance plans? "Experimental treatment", which screws over people with cancer and autism and many other diseases and disorders. Fertility issues are not covered. These costs can run into thousands upon thousands of dollars. Homeopathic remedies, such as acupuncture, are not covered. Many people believe that acupuncture is the only way they can get relief from serious pain, and there are many studies that show it does help.

    And this is just the tip of the iceberg. If this bill manages to pass through the Senate, we're then going to have a panel of "judges" to decide which health issues are not covered. So the fact that everyone is all up in arms over this particular problem, and ignores others, has me somewhat confused. #healthnuts
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    Image of J.D.Regent J.D.Regent
    12:41 PM

    @deeemer: I think it is different because abortion is not being left out for cost-benefit or other rational reasons as the other examples you mention but for bald political ones. No one is engaged in a campaign to keep cancer patients from experimental treatments that they need (except maybe that patient's insurance company) the way that they are to keep women from abortions. And because it affects only women, it is sex-discriminatory. #healthnuts
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    Image of Lymed Lymed
    12:41 PM

    @deeemer: One difference is that this will be taking something away from people that they already have. If the exchange becomes the only cost effective way to purchase individual insurance, and for some employees of small businesses the source for their employer funded health care, then people who could get affordable coverage including abortion today won't be able to after reform is implemented.

    Another difference, is that the government is making this decision for private plans. There will be minimum coverage requirements for private plans to participate in the exchange, but the plans won't be prevented from covering any service but abortion. #healthnuts
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    Image of Armed with Vitriol Armed with Vitriol
    12:28 PM

    In reply to Message To Obama: Abort The Stupak-Pitts Amendment
    The thing that pisses me off most is that abortion is a legal medical procedure so they should be covered by insurance. I can't believe this is even a debate. Insurance companies cover friggin Viagra, for pete's sake. How is that more important than coverage for an abortion?! #healthnuts
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    Image of Lymed Lymed
    12:36 PM

    @Armed with Vitriol: Insurance has never been required to cover all legal medical procedures. Unless there is a specific state law requiring coverage, insurance companies can deny anything they want in the individual market. That is why advocates fight to get states to require insurance companies to cover therapy services for autistic children. In the employer insurance market, most plans don't cover in vitro fertilization. #healthnuts
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    Image of Armed with Vitriol Armed with Vitriol
    12:39 PM

    @Lymed: That's serious B.S. What they choose to cover and what they don't is essentially my point. How is Viagra more important than coverage for any of the things you mentioned above either?! It's messed up. #healthnuts
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    Image of Lymed Lymed
    12:50 PM

    @Armed with Vitriol: It is not more important. But in-vitro is extremely expensive and I would probably say providing affordable diabetes treatment is more important that providing affordable in-vitro. I'ld love everybody to have affordable access to fertility services, but at a certain point there does need to be a decision about coverage levels in any insurance plan. We won't have a public plan that covers all services at 100%. The more you do cover, the higher the premium goes or the higher the deductible and co-payments.

    But this is going away from the abortion issue. I can't believe we are having this debate, but for different reasons. It is because I don't think government should ever require something to not be covered by a private insurance plan and I believe this is a strategy to derail health reform. #healthnuts
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    Image of DutchessOfDork DutchessOfDork
    12:26 PM

    In reply to Message To Obama: Abort The Stupak-Pitts Amendment
    You cannot find common ground with people who vehemently oppose to whatever you're doing such that they will not let people receive basic health care because the legislation may contain something that lets women have abortions. Negotiations are done Obama, grow a pair. #healthnuts
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    Image of morninggloria morninggloria
    12:24 PM

    In reply to Message To Obama: Abort The Stupak-Pitts Amendment
    The American political process has once again boiled down to Pu$$ies vs. A$$holes. #healthnuts
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    Image of Everything MidnightBikeRide does is a balloon. Everything MidnightBikeRide does is a balloon.
    12:16 PM

    In reply to Message To Obama: Abort The Stupak-Pitts Amendment
    So, Democrats. Maybe you haven't noticed, but you guys are holding the cards right now. The White House, Congress, all that jazz. If you feel like putting your foot down, you can totally do it. You have a majority. So if you'd like to, you know, do some of the shit we fucking elected you to do (i.e. "your jobs") you can just go ahead and make it happen. This compromise biz-- on healthcare, on gay issues, on Afghanistan, on torture, on abortion, really on every single issue that you could be helping us out on right now but aren't-- it's not really necessary. Seriously, do you understand that? Just checking. #healthnuts
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    Image of bluetrain84 bluetrain84
    12:51 PM

    @Everything MidnightBikeRide does is a balloon.: Well said. I have been a registered Independent since I could vote and decided to change to Democrat so that I could vote for Obama in the primary. The way things have been going for the Dems so far, I will be switching that party affiliation right back to Independent come next election. #healthnuts
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    Image of Penny Penny
    12:11 PM

    In reply to Message To Obama: Abort The Stupak-Pitts Amendment
    If you get your health insurance through the government, or with help from the government in the form of a tax subsidy, your plan will not cover abortion. In this case, you would have the right to buy extra coverage - with your own money.

    The socioeconomics around this is so incredibly bothersome. It's making it harder for a population that already has limited access to resources.

    It's fucked. #healthnuts
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    Image of pumpkinseed pumpkinseed
    12:13 PM

    @Penny: It is fucked. But, I think that there are enough people out there to fun these types of services if they are needed. I would be happy to donate a little extra cash to the cause. #healthnuts
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    Image of Penny Penny
    12:15 PM

    @pumpkinseed: There aren't enough resources NOW, I am not confident that this would improve any... #healthnuts
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    12:23 PM

    @Penny: You are right. But this is a fight we might not win at the federal level, so we have to make it a community effort, I don't see much else of a choice. What we REALLY need is better comprehensive sex education, better family planning options (besides abortion, if these yahoos continue with the crazyness) and better health care. #healthnuts
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    Image of Penny Penny
    12:09 PM

    In reply to Message To Obama: Abort The Stupak-Pitts Amendment
    I also can't help but wonder what HRC would have done in this situation. #healthnuts
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    Image of MsFeasance MsFeasance
    12:16 PM

    @Penny: I wish she were still in the Senate to smack this down. I'm utterly tired of women's health being sold down the river by so-called "progressives." #healthnuts
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    Image of angelheadedhipster angelheadedhipster
    12:20 PM

    @MsFeasance: On its way down the river, women's health should be sure it waves to gay rights, also heading in that same direction.

    And, yes, it's getting very old.
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    Image of MsFeasance MsFeasance
    12:36 PM

    @angelheadedhipster: Point. #healthnuts
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    Image of Penny Penny
    12:06 PM

    In reply to Message To Obama: Abort The Stupak-Pitts Amendment
    I read that line "sneaking in funding for abortions" this morning and winced.

    I am hugely, HUGELY disappointed in Obama. I understand that he wants to make history, but he's fucking half of the nation. #healthnuts
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    Image of thoughtthinker thoughtthinker
    12:17 PM

    @Penny: I'm of two minds on this. Because a lot of people who opposed abortion don't view it as only impacting a woman's body, it's difficult to deal with them using that logic. I understand and share the frustration and anger with this, especially with the rhetoric being used - but I also recognize that reform is greatly needed. It's an incredibly difficult situation.

    I don't think it's just Obama wanting to be the one to make history. I think he wants to help as many people as possible.

    I still hope that it happens without compromising women's reproductive rights. #healthnuts
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    Image of dj_chick dj_chick
    12:21 PM

    @Penny: It sounds like he's still trying to be a nice, bipartisan President. Which is fine and dandy, except that the "other" side is full of assholes who want to limit my rights to live my life as I choose. In this case, I wish he would say what he means, and then get on with it. (I still heart him though.) #healthnuts
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    Image of Penny Penny
    12:21 PM

    @thoughtthinker: Helping as many people as possible includes affording reproductive rights to over half of the population. #healthnuts
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    Image of JerseyGrrrl JerseyGrrrl
    12:34 PM

    @Penny: I does seem like whenever there are concessions to be made in U.S. policy, both domestic and foreign, women's rights are the first to go.

    Maybe he was using the language of those attacking the bill when he said that? Maybe it was a poor choice of words? Even such a great orator can't be on point every time he opens his mouth. And yet ... ouch. Between this and gay issues, this administration is not turning out to be just what we'd hoped, is it?? #healthnuts
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    Image of MsFeasance MsFeasance
    12:35 PM

    @dj_chick: Exactly. And the bill was so bipartisan it got one whole Republican vote.
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    Image of thoughtthinker thoughtthinker
    12:45 PM

    @Penny: I know. I agree. I'm not saying he's right. #healthnuts
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    Image of Penny Penny
    12:49 PM

    @thoughtthinker: :-) #healthnuts
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    Image of JerkoftheMonth JerkoftheMonth
    08:08 AM

    In reply to Sex Sounds: How Loud Is Too Loud?
    This pisses me off a lot. I had neighbours for the past 2 years that had loud sex all the time and it was infuriating to wake up at 3 in the morning to other people's sex noises. I think it's really disrespectful. I do not want to know when other people are doing it. Another time my little sister was visiting (a good few years ago) and my upstairs neighbours had loud sex and I was praying that my 12 yr old sister didn't wake up to that sound. Grrr. Makes me so mad! #loudsex
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    Image of MIXED MIXED
    07:40 AM

    In reply to Emma Thompson's Name To Be Removed From Polanski Petition This Week
    Thanks for following up on this jezeditors! #emmathompsonromanpolanski
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    Image of gherkinfiend gherkinfiend
    05:06 AM

    In reply to Lara Stone, Rehab, & The Problem Of Idiotic Celebrity Profiles
    British Vogue used to do articles like this all the time about models of interest back in the 90s. Then they went all celeb obsessed too and I stopped reading... #larastone
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    Image of veronykah veronykah
    04:24 AM

    In reply to Mad Men: Ain't That A Kick In The Head?
    So I've read the reactions to Betty for awhile now and am questioning some of the things people are saying.
    She keeps being criticized for "having a life raft" Has everyone completely forgotten this was the early 60s and even her own family lawyer told her she'd be fucked with a capital F if she left him?
    Not to mention the only way to divorce was to go to Reno?
    She wants out and she's doing what it takes, perhaps she is just smart enough to see Harry as someone she can USE to get what she wants?
    And the constant hatred for her mothering skills? I also think people are not looking at the show in the context of WHEN it was. Parents probably treated their children vastly differently then than they do now, from the stories my mother tells me [she was born in '59] Betty doesn't seem that far off.
    The whole "self-esteem" movement and children being the center of the universe was still a ways off from when this show was set. #madmenseasonfinale
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    Image of BlondeGoddess BlondeGoddess
    03:54 AM

    In reply to Lara Stone, Rehab, & The Problem Of Idiotic Celebrity Profiles
    Why do they say she has a 'Flemish face'? She's Dutch. People often say Flemish, when they refer to someone having a face like a Vermeer painting (Girl with the pear earring), but he was Dutch too. #larastone
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    Image of clochette clochette
    05:47 AM

    @BlondeGoddess: I think they mean her face is like the faces in the paintings of the Flemish school. Like you can compare someone to a Botticelli without meaning that they're Italian. I don't personally see that she looks like something out of a van Eyck but there we go! #larastone
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    Image of BlondeGoddess BlondeGoddess
    12:26 PM

    @clochette: Yeah, the sizing in the 17th century was very different from now.

    And my remark was more a pet peeve: people (who aren't Dutch) will often refer to Rembrandt as his 'Flemish faces', etc. #larastone
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