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    This Was Not The Work Of Don Draper.

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    Image of TheUptightMidwesterner TheUptightMidwesterner
    11/18/09

    In reply to This Was Not The Work Of Don Draper.
    Before I clicked through the link I thought the hat was made out of cigs and was all "AWESOME"!.

    But, now that I know that is not the case, well- it is just so wrong.
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    Image of token_illiterate_commenter token_illiterate_commenter
    11/18/09

    In reply to This Was Not The Work Of Don Draper.
    The ad may be crap but at least the cigs are safe. They're filtered!
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    Image of femme-bot femme-bot
    11/18/09

    @token_illiterate_commenter: Just remember, L.S./M.F.T!
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    Image of LaComtesse LaComtesse
    11/18/09

    @token_illiterate_commenter: It's like smoking a vitamin.
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    Image of Lymed Lymed
    11/18/09

    @token_illiterate_commenter: I also hear they're toasted!
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    Image of midwestdesigner midwestdesigner
    11/18/09

    In reply to This Was Not The Work Of Don Draper.
    This ad was so obviously post-Sal.
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    Image of Lymed Lymed
    11/18/09

    @midwestdesigner: As horrific as it is, they are at least trying to do something interest with the shape of her hair and the shape of the bite hole.
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    Image of rodmanstreet rodmanstreet
    11/18/09

    In reply to This Was Not The Work Of Don Draper.
    No, you're right, it's obviously not Don's work.

    The tagline is Peggy's, you can thank Sal for the model's fierce smize, and the ad was sold to Lucky Strike by Pete Campbell over a deli lunch served by his wife, Trudie, Patron Saint of Awesome Hats.
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    Image of LaComtesse LaComtesse
    11/18/09

    @rodmanstreet: Kinsey, not Peggy. A tagline of Peggy's would have more finesse.
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    Image of jigglyball jigglyball
    11/18/09

    @rodmanstreet: Eh, I think that the cheesy graphics are direct result of losing Sal.

    But I agree that this has Pete Campbell written all over it. "You know, Mr. Cooper, the Oriental* market is full of untapped potential."

    * Not a descriptor I would use, but I'm fairly certain ol' Petey would.
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    Image of Mary McCarthyite Mary McCarthyite
    11/18/09

    In reply to This Was Not The Work Of Don Draper.
    Consider the political implications of this, as this ad was probably created during the Vietnam War. (Since starvation was a rampant problem for the Vietnamese, the "eat my hat" statement is particularly "clever.")
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    Image of rodmanstreet rodmanstreet
    11/18/09

    @Mary McCarthyite: Oh snap. I can always count on you to bring the historical perspective. Every month, when I make a payment on the college loans with which I payed for my history degree, I'll think of you and weep.
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    Image of Mary McCarthyite Mary McCarthyite
    11/18/09

    @rodmanstreet: Well, my friend, we will weep together because I am paying oodles for the same degree.

    (This just reminded me that said loans have put me in the red this month; I may very well be eating my own hat for dinner!)
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    Image of bluetrain84 bluetrain84
    11/18/09

    @Mary McCarthyite: Think of it this way: us history nerds are always the best at Jeopardy.
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    Image of BitingThrough BitingThrough
    11/18/09

    @Mary McCarthyite: I know, I know, pedants should be beaten, but I can't help myself. I believe that filtered Lucky Strikes were introduced about 1964-65, and from the style of the ad I would say this dates no later than 1967-68 (this is pure gut feel, that and I used to be a graphic arts/advertising geek when I was a teenager).
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    Image of Mary McCarthyite Mary McCarthyite
    11/18/09

    @BitingThrough: So...still during Vietnam!

    @bluetrain84: I knew some good would come out of it!
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    Image of BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit) BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit)
    11/18/09

    In reply to This Was Not The Work Of Don Draper.
    Lucky Strike show you plenty! Love you long time! Ching chong ching ching!
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    Image of CurtCole CurtCole
    11/18/09

    @BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit): I know, this ad is so racist. I'm surprised they don't have her lighting a cigarette from the static electricity that she generated running up a wall.
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    Image of midwestdesigner midwestdesigner
    11/18/09

    @BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit): It's spans so many stereotypes, it hurts my head. Modern Asian woman hair, old-school kimono, "laborer" hat.

    That'd be like having Twiggy all dolled up mod make-up, while wearing a Victorian dress and sporting a straw farmer's hat. Does not compute!
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    Image of LaComtesse LaComtesse
    11/18/09

    @midwestdesigner: There's no kimono in this shot. And her haircut is typical of the era.
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    Image of BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit) BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit)
    11/18/09

    @LaComtesse: The Mandarin collar is what she means, I think. Hair and makeup are very typical, true.
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    Image of midwestdesigner midwestdesigner
    11/18/09

    @LaComtesse: By "modern" I meant modern for the time of the ad (hence the '60s tilt in the Twiggy comparison).

    And if an Asian woman wearing a mandarin collar in the '60s isn't a kimono, I'll eat my hat.
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    Image of Zombie Ms. Skittles Zombie Ms. Skittles
    11/18/09

    @midwestdesigner: Pet peeve time: Not all Asian clothes are called "kimono" and that collar is not typical of a kimono. It's typical of a cheongsam/qipao.
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    Image of midwestdesigner midwestdesigner
    11/18/09

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: Consider my hat eaten.
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    Image of Schrodinger's Cat Schrodinger's Cat
    11/18/09


    @BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit): Lucky Strike is disrespectful to tar! Can you see I am serious! Get out of my way, all of you! This is no place for loafers. Join me or die. Can you do any less?
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    Image of LaComtesse LaComtesse
    11/18/09

    @BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit): @midwestdesigner: Kimonos don't have mandarin collars, though. Mandarin collared top plus sunhat was fairly typical in many places in Asia, so I don't think the way she's styled is in and of itself offensive. The issue, if there is one, is using typically Asian imagery to sell something, depending on the viewer having preconceived notions of "The Orient" and Asians. However, though the model is styled prettily in traditional clothing, the copy has nothingto do with Asia or Asians. I'm thinking this ad, not so terrible. (Unless you take it to where Mary McCarthyite did above, which could be valid, but I don't know enough about when this ad came out to confirm or deny that: I'd need more context.)
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    Image of LaComtesse LaComtesse
    11/18/09

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: Beat me to it. Thank you.
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    Image of BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit) BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit)
    11/18/09

    @LaComtesse: Yes, I know kimonos don't have Mandarin collars - I was correcting, badly I guess...
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    Image of Zombie Ms. Skittles Zombie Ms. Skittles
    11/18/09

    @midwestdesigner: Heh! Sorry, it's just a pet peeve of mine. When the original The Sims 2 game shipped, it came with a qipao and a hanbock as in game clothing. I got so freaking sick of correcting people that none of the above were actually "kimono" OR of Japanese origin OR something you could dress your Geisha Sim up in.
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    Image of JessickerFletcher JessickerFletcher
    11/18/09

    In reply to This Was Not The Work Of Don Draper.
    I'm sure milliners throughout the world were just thrilled about this ad.
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    Image of femme-bot femme-bot
    11/18/09

    In reply to This Was Not The Work Of Don Draper.
    To be honest, her hat does look tasty. Or I just really need lunch.
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    Image of Adora Belle Dearheart Adora Belle Dearheart
    01/30/09

    In reply to Tobacco Companies Target Women In South Korea
    Well, Korean guys (in Korea AND America) generally find Korean women who smoke to be gross, undesirable, and "feminist". This is such a stupid double standard because when Korean guys smoke (almost about 97.9% of all Korean guys) it is seen as cool, edgy and manly.


    Anyways, my point is that the traditional Korean girl (all my cousins back in the homeland)would rather get married and look good in front of guys, so the tobacco industry is up the creek with no rice paddle!


    I don't know if that makes me sad or happy.

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    Image of Gretchen is a new kitten mom! Gretchen is a new kitten mom!
    01/30/09

    In reply to Tobacco Companies Target Women In South Korea
    My daughter is South Korean and is in regular contact with her birth parents and other relatives there. She recently returned from a 2 week visit.


    I asked her about this and she said it is nothing new. Their society is very conservative compared to ours, but young women are constantly driven to be thin and look Western. She said most of them do smoke, mostly to keep from eating and to handle stress. Young people there are under a tremendous amount of pressure from their parents and society to be fashionable, smart and successful.


    This must be like shooting fish in a barrel for big tobacco, and I'm a smoker myself.

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    Image of par3 par3
    01/31/09

    @Gretchen: similar to women in eastern europe
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    Image of mollymoxie mollymoxie
    01/30/09

    In reply to Tobacco Companies Target Women In South Korea
    uggh, i quit smoking two months ago and i'll never look back. i feel and smell a lot better and now i have extra money for booze, yah!
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    Image of info*ninja info*ninja
    01/30/09

    @mollymoxie: When does it get easier? I just quit.
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    Image of dirtybee dirtybee
    01/30/09

    In reply to Tobacco Companies Target Women In South Korea
    Since when did smoking become associated with feminism and liberation of women?
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    Image of info*ninja info*ninja
    01/30/09

    @dirtybee is getting her flan tonight!!: srsly?


    [www.dailymotion.com]

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    Image of disco2000 disco2000
    01/30/09

    @info*ninja: zomg, that commercial is horrible. In a slim purse pack! Liberate yourself by showing your belly button! Better for your feminine hands! And the tag "You've come a long way Baby" is so condescending and patronizing. It's like, you can vote, you can smoke, but you're still "baby" to me! We're so proud of you women, doing manly things, it's so cute! Ok, end of rant.
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    Image of info*ninja info*ninja
    01/30/09

    @disco2000: This is kinda my impression of what some people have dubbed 3rd wave feminism.
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    Image of info*ninja info*ninja
    01/30/09

    In reply to Tobacco Companies Target Women In South Korea
    The targeting kids part is true throughout the world; sadly as we gained better smoking laws, big tobacco increased their marketing efforts in the majority world-especially kids.


    Ha, eff you big tobacco (she says quietly, barely a week free of smoking...)

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    Image of misspell misspell
    01/30/09

    @info*ninja: You can do it. Easy does it.
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    Image of morninggloria morninggloria
    01/30/09

    In reply to Tobacco Companies Target Women In South Korea
    Keep those baby factories in baby having form!
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    Image of Fridge Hussy : Is finally heading back to uni! Fridge Hussy : Is finally heading back to uni!
    01/30/09

    In reply to Tobacco Companies Target Women In South Korea
    Aw hell no. RAAAAIIIINN!
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