This movie is great. All of you ladies need to see it. More movies made by women about women NEED to be made. It's a hilarious satire, seriously. And yes, Megan Fox is fantastic.
The thing I always find funny is the difference between real life "teen speak" and movie "teen speak" and how often the movie "teen speak" is what creates it in real life as opposed to being a reflection of. Clueless for example- after that came out I heard all of those little wordages dropped ALL THE TIME in my school. After Buffy got big myself and my friends INSTANTLY started talking Buffy-ish.
Also, in real life listening to teens at a store or on the train or something always sounds less smart and more loud than teens in movie's do. But, of course, that's why they're movies and not, you know, documentaries.
Okay, heh. Adam Brody sort of sold me with "do you know how hard it is to make it as an indie band these days? If you don't get on Letterman, or some stupid soundtrack . . . the Devil is our only hope."
I'm not a Megan Fox fan but I knew I wanted to see this movie when I saw a clip from the film where Amanda Seyfried says "you're killing people" and Fox exasperatedly replies: "No, I'm killing boys"
@Birthday Girl: LOL, that's the line that made me want to see it as well. I don't have a real opinion on Fox in general but when I heard that line I thought, "ha, this'll probably be a fun little horror revenge movie."
I just don't find it credible that someone who looks like Fox would be attracted to the cute blonde girl. They seem more like cousins than peers. That casting choice turns me off.
@Clarissima: I don't understand this comment. Why wouldn't someone who looks like Megan Fox be attacted to someone who looks like Amanda Seyfreid? How can you tell who someone will be attracted to based on their looks?
And I don't think that she's even really supposed to be attracted to her. She's trying to manipulate her, not expressing an actual romantic interest.
@Clarissima: They use the line "Sandbox love never dies" to express the fact that they were friends when they were little kids, and it's such a small town that they don't have a whole lot of options. The io9 coverage explores that in more detail.
I'm not trying to rag on this movie--I haven't seen it and I actually really want to--but why is a lesbian kiss being played for laughs a good thing?
I get that we're all glad it's not a super-sexualized, for-the-male-gaze-only moment and that it fits into the context of the film, but isn't this still potentially marginalizing an already marginalized group of people?
Again, not making a judgement call, I'm actually curious as to how it comes off in the film. Anyone who's seen it care to comment?
I am such a pansy when it comes to horror movies that I will spend the minutes leading up to and after a scary part with my head buried under pillows, and that's just for the few I can stand.
But I will put aside all of my wussiness and get my ass to the theater to see this. Partly because I am an unabashed Diablo Cody fan, and partly because it just looks awesome.
You know, frequently, an actor's ability to convince us they can or cannot act is based on the ability of the director to direct.
Think about it. We all know that Natalie Portman, Ewan McGregor, and Liam Neeson can act. He's Liam Freakin' Neeson.
But all of them turned out pretty terrible performances in The Phantom Menace, and if that was all somebody saw of them they likely would say they can't act.
What I'm getting at here is that Michael Bay can explode things really well, and that's awesome. But an actor's director he is not.
@Meiran: I agree. I have no idea how well Megan Fox can act, but I wouldn't say I could tell how well Shia could from Transformers, either. Those movies do not spotlight great acting talent.
And good call on the Star Wars examples. I'm surprised almost any of those actors did as well as they did, given how little they had to work with. Even Hayden Christiansen is better than that (Life as a House).
@tiredfairy: The best acting performance in those movies was Christopher Lee. He was the only one who didn't look like a tourist at a disney park being taped in front of a green screen and inserted into honey I shrunk the trade federation.
@tiredfairy: I loved the hammy acting in the new star wars films! It was like they were all so excited about being in Star Wars that they forgot how to act. I can just imagine Ewan McGregor, after filming a scene, ringing his mum up and being all like "Guess what I just said? ... Yes! I said "may the force be with you"... I'M FREAKIN' OBI WAN!"...
THANK YOU. I saw this on Saturday, and have spent the last week trying to explain to people how the movie is alternately awesome and insightful and campy and hilarious and horrifying... all at the same time. Thanks for doing so much more eloquently Lindsay.
Also, an aside: I'm getting sick of people talking about how 'unrealistic' the dialogue in Cody's movies are. I mean, I get it, because people don't use slang, jargon and inside jokes in most run-of-the-mill Hollywood dramas. But real people do! I was just recently cleaning out my old childhood room, and found a note where my best friend had listed every single inside joke we had in the 8th grade. Let me tell you, it would make "honest to blog" sound like something your grandma would say...
@bellejay: I feel the same way about her dialogue. We had an assignment in my first screenwriting class to go and secretly tape a conversation and then transcribe it and bring it in. I recorded my friends playing Twister, and about 10% of it actually made sense to people outside our group.
Later on in the class, I wrote a screenplay about three gamer girls playing Starcraft and my professor admitted he had no idea what they were saying. The way people in class read lines aloud showed that they had no clue either.
Subcultures have their own language, and teenagers are a pretty big subculture.
@bellejay: I've read my old notes from MS and HS, and then emails from the same time and...wow. I inexplicably typed in a Scottish accent sometimes. And constantly ref'd weird pop culture stuff, because at that age, that IS your life.
Plus, I grew up on Hughes movies and Heathers. There's honestly nothing in those that doesn't mirror Cody's teen "voice" somewhat. Heathers in particular.
I just don't get why people keep bringing it up. Okay, you didn't like it. Cool. There are many movies I don't like that many other people do. I don't feel the need to jump into every discussion about them and freak out about it. Unless it promotes something more problematic than quirky dialog. The reality is, no one movie can tackle every issue, every inequality, every problem with female characters/films, perfectly. And it shouldn't be expected to. Women get so little, I understand that people want that. But it's just impossible.
I think it's interesting how we all seem to have had the "underminer-y narcissistic best friend" but none of us ever seem to have BEEN said friend. There's just this conventional wisdom that they must now inhabit some realm we disdain, and have never even HEARD of Jezebel. I guess it's always someone else, huh?
@ShishirkanaWallaby: My best friend my first year of college almost certainly thought I was that "underminer-y narcissistic best friend." I realized this when she decided that in order to rebuild her self esteem, she couldn't talk to me at all anymore.
I maintain that this wasn't really my fault, but who knows.
@ShishirkanaWallaby: I was just a dash "high school bitchy", like Liz Lemon. A huge dash. I wasn't the narcissistic best friend, but considering how mean I was to a lot of people, I gotta wonder if my narcissistic best friend didn't feel she'd better keep on my good side, or else...
I have no idea how much people credit Roger Eberts reviews (I like them, even when I disagree, because they're actual reviews).
But he gave it a 3 out of 4 stars, which is high for him, and had this, among other things, to say:
"It's easy to go on like this, but I'd be missing something. There is within Diablo Cody the soul of an artist, and her screenplay brings to this material a certain edge, a kind of gleeful relish, that's uncompromising. This isn't your assembly-line teen horror thriller. The portraits of Jennifer and Needy are a little too knowing, the dialogue is a little too off-center, the developments are a little too quirky. After you've seen enough teen thrillers, you begin to appreciate these distinctions. Let's put it this way: I'd rather see "Jennifer's Body" again than "Twilight."
It's a genre horror movie, and with the level of (imho, ridiculous and unearned hate around Cody) I was expecting a lot of reviews to go nuts. And if Ebert didn't like it, he would have said so.
Semi thread-jack - I listened in on a conf. call that Diablo was on this morning - she is nice, charming, self-deprecating, well-spoken, everything. I am officially a fan.
@Mmmmkay (gellin' and Jezebelin): Every one of her interviews (especially the recent Bust one) just makes me love her. It doesn't mean she's a perfect writer (who is? she's done 3 projects so far!) But man...she's -exactly- the sort of outspoken woman with feminist ideals that we talk about here allll the time. I suppose I feel protective because of that. I'd like to think I'd be that way about any woman on here who tried to do what she's doing.
@bess marvin, girl detective: Me too. It's specifically because of the kind of writer she is, consciously feminist in her perspective. That I can get behind. Phuket Thailand. :}
@Mmmmkay (gellin' and Jezebelin): I am happy to hear that. She seems like a smart, fun lady, and I would have been disappointed to find out she was a meanie.
It's An Empowerment Movie For Former Wallflower Sidekicks Everywhere as long as you're thin and white and blonde with big boobs underneath your wallflower sidekick costume.
@rednrowdy: There's no way to answer this without a major spoiler, but in this one particular context, that's not the case. Needy's ugly glasses are literally part of the joke, and she's never painted as undesirable. The inspiration here (in as much as it can be for a slasher flick) is more Heavenly Creatures or Notes on a Scandal than Heathers or Mean Girls. Which is why, Roger Ebert aside, boys don't seem to get it.
@rednrowdy: nope, don't buy that. if megan fox was best friends to halle berry or angelina jolie, guess who would be the sidekick? megan fox. being sidekick usually means you're not as physically attractive to your best friend which in this movie is indicative of needy and jennifer's relationship.
@Lindsay: Thank you, that's what I thought. It's like all those teen movies where they "makeover" the ugly girl by taking off her glasses and giving her a haircut. I assumed this was deliberately playing with that trope. Glad I was right. :}
I also feel like...they -know- a lot of boys won't get it. But they're still getting their asses in the seats with Fox and the lesbian kiss. And then there's all that subtext, which they may or may not get...but that's not the point. The point is that it's -there-. That's what matters to me. They can't help what boys will or won't get about the layers of destructive girl friendships..but I'm all for movies that attempt to do that getting their money so they can make more.
@bess marvin, girl detective: but why only have female sidekicks be slender attractive women wearing glasses all nerdied up? why not a young plus-size actress? oh, because men run the movie business and overweight white girls can't 'carry' a film. that was my point.
All my friendships that have ended badly were because I was the awkward, not as pretty, not as smart, not as artistic, not as ________ as my dumb "best friend." Glad I got rid of her.
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Also, in real life listening to teens at a store or on the train or something always sounds less smart and more loud than teens in movie's do. But, of course, that's why they're movies and not, you know, documentaries.
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And I don't think that she's even really supposed to be attracted to her. She's trying to manipulate her, not expressing an actual romantic interest.
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I get that we're all glad it's not a super-sexualized, for-the-male-gaze-only moment and that it fits into the context of the film, but isn't this still potentially marginalizing an already marginalized group of people?
Again, not making a judgement call, I'm actually curious as to how it comes off in the film. Anyone who's seen it care to comment?
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But I will put aside all of my wussiness and get my ass to the theater to see this. Partly because I am an unabashed Diablo Cody fan, and partly because it just looks awesome.
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Think about it. We all know that Natalie Portman, Ewan McGregor, and Liam Neeson can act. He's Liam Freakin' Neeson.
But all of them turned out pretty terrible performances in The Phantom Menace, and if that was all somebody saw of them they likely would say they can't act.
What I'm getting at here is that Michael Bay can explode things really well, and that's awesome. But an actor's director he is not.
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And good call on the Star Wars examples. I'm surprised almost any of those actors did as well as they did, given how little they had to work with. Even Hayden Christiansen is better than that (Life as a House).
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Yeah, the hammy acting made the films for me.
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Also, an aside: I'm getting sick of people talking about how 'unrealistic' the dialogue in Cody's movies are. I mean, I get it, because people don't use slang, jargon and inside jokes in most run-of-the-mill Hollywood dramas. But real people do! I was just recently cleaning out my old childhood room, and found a note where my best friend had listed every single inside joke we had in the 8th grade. Let me tell you, it would make "honest to blog" sound like something your grandma would say...
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Later on in the class, I wrote a screenplay about three gamer girls playing Starcraft and my professor admitted he had no idea what they were saying. The way people in class read lines aloud showed that they had no clue either.
Subcultures have their own language, and teenagers are a pretty big subculture.
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Plus, I grew up on Hughes movies and Heathers. There's honestly nothing in those that doesn't mirror Cody's teen "voice" somewhat. Heathers in particular.
I just don't get why people keep bringing it up. Okay, you didn't like it. Cool. There are many movies I don't like that many other people do. I don't feel the need to jump into every discussion about them and freak out about it. Unless it promotes something more problematic than quirky dialog. The reality is, no one movie can tackle every issue, every inequality, every problem with female characters/films, perfectly. And it shouldn't be expected to. Women get so little, I understand that people want that. But it's just impossible.
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I maintain that this wasn't really my fault, but who knows.
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But he gave it a 3 out of 4 stars, which is high for him, and had this, among other things, to say:
"It's easy to go on like this, but I'd be missing something. There is within Diablo Cody the soul of an artist, and her screenplay brings to this material a certain edge, a kind of gleeful relish, that's uncompromising. This isn't your assembly-line teen horror thriller. The portraits of Jennifer and Needy are a little too knowing, the dialogue is a little too off-center, the developments are a little too quirky. After you've seen enough teen thrillers, you begin to appreciate these distinctions. Let's put it this way: I'd rather see "Jennifer's Body" again than "Twilight."
It's a genre horror movie, and with the level of (imho, ridiculous and unearned hate around Cody) I was expecting a lot of reviews to go nuts. And if Ebert didn't like it, he would have said so.
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I also feel like...they -know- a lot of boys won't get it. But they're still getting their asses in the seats with Fox and the lesbian kiss. And then there's all that subtext, which they may or may not get...but that's not the point. The point is that it's -there-. That's what matters to me. They can't help what boys will or won't get about the layers of destructive girl friendships..but I'm all for movies that attempt to do that getting their money so they can make more.
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