She looked fab on that magazine cover with the red chocolate foil lipstick treatment but the style in the pic above does little for her in my opinion. It's just too barroom brassy regardless of her body type. #bethditto
I was thisclose to dressing as Beth Ditto for Halloween. But standing in an American Apparel dressing room, looking at myself in a lame microdress that left NOTHING to imagination (she wears similar things all the time), I realized I didn't have the guts to go out dressed like her.
So hats off for Beth Ditto, for being way braver than I will ever be. #bethditto
I love Beth's look in this interview. She looks like a character in a John Waters movie brought to life.
She could totally hang around Turkey Point or rock out on the Corny Collins Show in that outfit. #bethditto
I liked hearing her talk about how she felt like fashion was out of reach when she was young, and how that prompted her to find her own style and stand out. It seems like the people who grew up without access to the means of looking good turn into the most well-dressed and creatively dressed people, while those girls you thought were sooo trendy and fashionable in the sixth grade rarely seem to stay that way. Maybe if plus-sized fashion were really given an opportunity to take off, it could start leading in trends-- because people who've spent a long time dreaming about great clothes but have never been able to find them always have the best ideas. #bethditto
@divinelioness: Yeah I have to agree. I think it's great that she's comfortable with herself and owns her style, but I also happen to think her style is terrible and wouldn't look good on anyone regardless of size #bethditto
@colormeroutine: I know! And I feel weird and bad, because I know I'm supposed to like it, cause all these high fashion people decided she's the *one* acceptable person who is not model thin; and all these other women feel like she represents them, a real sized woman who is considered cool and fashionable on her own terms.
But I feel like it's not a coincidence that the larger woman who is considered "ok" by the fashion world says she likes to dress "like a clown"...
I'm not articulating it correctly...but like somehow her body type is acceptable because she has outrageous get-ups. Like somehow, she is an oddity....A half joke. A token figure. I just think there wouldn't be the same reaction if she wore more "sophisticated" wear. #bethditto
@divinelioness: Yeah, I get what you mean. I'm looking at the picture with this article and I keep thinking that if a thinner person was wearing that exact outfit and hair and makeup, we'd be mocking them #bethditto
@divinelioness: She fronts a band, so her style is going to be more intense than the average person. I don't think you have to like it. But I do think it works for her personality and creative expression. #bethditto
@LisaMc: Yeah, I thought one of the benefits of being a rock star is getting to dress all crazy-like. Like David Bowie!
I mean, I love Nirvana and Pearl Jam as much as the next late 20/early 30s lady, but jeans, flannels and a ratty cardigan are not exactly rock star clothes, you know what I mean? #bethditto
@whynotshesaid: I know what you mean, jellybean. Dressing up is part of the job description as far as I'm concerned. She's vibrant and she expresses it well. #bethditto
Sometimes when Beth Ditto appears in these mainstream, high fashion avenues, I feel concern that she's being made into a sideshow or a gimmick by people whose lives have revolved around keeping women like Beth marginalized. Look at the fat girl talk about style! Look at all that eyeliner!! BREASTS!
But then, watching this video or appreciating what she's saying in an interview, I realize that even if that's the case, Beth is taking charge of the platform she's been given and not allowing herself to be the specimen they may or may not be intending to make her. Am I making any sense?
It's not like we're seeing a lot of larger women. We just keep seeing Beth (which is awesome--lots of Beth is amazing!) but ... I don't want her to be the mascot for high fashion. I want her to be the beginning of a new reality. You know? #bethditto
@JerseyGrrrl: Yes! I feel the same way-- especially with the way a night out with her and Kate Moss, Sienna Miller or Kiera Knightley gets covered. All of the pieces have mention of the contrast between the twiglets and the big girl, and how "fashion" made this okay because it "brought them together." Vom. #bethditto
I find it interesting (but unsurprising) that the fashion world seems to be going to the other extreme with its purported embrace of Beth Ditto, who is unambiguously "plus-sized." So you can always be thin and fashionable, and you can sometimes be heavy and fashionable. Somewhere in the middle = booooring, I guess. /rambling
(Not that the Ditto love is a bad thing, mind you! I'm not saying that at all. Just musing on the apparent love of extremes in the world of high fashion.) #bethditto
@Kivrin: She's not really that extreme. She just isn't six feet tall. She's a sort of petite girl, which is already something we rarely see, and weight rests differently when you're smaller overall.
& I don't know, I think it's kind of insulting to Beth to think that her involvement in fashion has anything to do with tokenism or exoticism, or making a show of political correctness & inclusion. I really believe that she is so cool, so unique, that she so exudes fashion from every fiber of her being, that the fact that she is plus sized isn't enough to keep her from being exactly where she belongs. #bethditto
@prismatism: "I really believe that she is so cool…that the fact that she is plus sized isn't enough to keep her from being exactly where she belongs."
I really don't think the idea of 'fashionable = thin' is beginning to break down. The only way that would happen is if New York, Paris, Milan, and other fashion capitals were to implode. #bethditto
@jaydock: They used to be more of a dirty bluesy punk band back in the day. I liked them then and was surprised when they got to be famous - until I heard them and realized they sounded 110% different than they used to.
Oh well, I don't like their music anymore, but I still love Beth! #bethditto
I don't know from her perspective why she loves fashion the way she does, but I can tell you from mine.
I grew up poor. We shopped in thrift stores for back to school clothes. Before it was cool. I got picked on. I grew up and turned my clothes from the thrift store into my personal creations, fixing them up from bits I picked up at the fabric store with babysitting money. I noticed Vogue. I started clipping pages I liked, collaging them and making art projects.
I saved up my money for forever and went to the mall to finally spend it. I found on a sale rack a heavily discounted DKNY tweed coat. I saw it in the store and tried it on and had this wonderful feeling. I honestly don't know what it was, just before I realized I didn't actually have enough for it. It was the most beautiful thing I ever thought that I could own, and I was shy of owning it even with all the money I had saved from babysitting and chores for the better part of a year. I cried. My mom found me in the store and gave me the difference I was short so I could have it, because she wanted to badly to be able to contribute to something nice of my own and not a hand-me-down. I've now had it for 15 years. I have worn it completely out. But I will never get rid of it.
I also grew up and found that there wasn't any money for college, despite a mysterious fund that my dead-beat dad set up that never materialized (obviously a lie to placate my mom). I eventually landed a job at Saks Fifth Avenue. I can not tell you how proud it made my mom that I had such a prestigious job, in her eyes. It was something that I kept wanting to pinch myself. I worked there! I was a part of fashion! My meager salary barely supported me, but I was a part of it. I could fuss and gawk at beautiful clothes and makeup and handbags all day, and I got paid for it! And the discount. I didn't make much, but I saved up and bought a Louis Vuitton purse. I've had this conversation with a couple of my super-close friends and I've come to the conclusion that these fashion things that I own are a symbol that I will never go back to the past. I wont be poor. I don't care that it sounds shallow. It probably means that I haven't found the right words, or I wasn't honest enough about my experience. Its the best I can manage to say.
But I really wanted to share this because we probably will never know what fashion means to Beth Ditto. I can tell you from having something a little similar in my past there is way more to it that even what made it into this comment. But also maybe we need to think to ourselves that people can have these shallow likes, fleeting fancies that we indulge in. It should never take away from the positive work that anyone does in other areas of their life. People are so much more than one sliver that is shown in the press, or in public for that matter. Sometimes we can't explain why a dress makes us happy. I don't think of her love of fashion as Ms. Ditto's defining aspect of character. She's a multi-faceted gem, thankfully not a cookie cutter bland personality as the author pointed out, with a parent quietly ushering her into the business. I'm pretty sure she's got the substance to back it up, even if the world isn't privy to it.
I know that the personal is political. But sometimes the personal can be personal and almost unexplainable. I feel like she is doing something, in spite (or because) of her love of high fashion. She refused Top Shop, and insisted on only designing a line for plus size. I say awesome! I have a few questions for all of us. Do we (and I mean this in a really broad sense) really need to rip someone down a notch? Do we need to insist her clothes she designed are ugly? Do we need to judge her friendships with the fashionable? Is this really what I signed up for in feminism? I remember getting schooled by a fellow feminist when I said something a bit degrading about a woman in my younger years. I learned from that and can say I feel like this kind of attitude holds us back. How do you get shit accomplished when one that is doing so much gets this kind of scrutiny, over dresses! Lets report to each other on awesome things women do, and celebrate things that bring us joy. I want so badly for everyone to build each other up. I know not everything is positive, but I can be hopeful, right?
***This got much longer than I intended, holy cow!
Does anyone else have an issue about the fashion industry's tokenism of Beth Ditto as the pet fat girl? And why is she glorifying wearing fur? I think it reflects poorly that she's sucking up accolades from an industry that is dedicated to oppressing women- this is not a reflection of social change within fashion, she's a novelty, the flavor of the week. I can't get behind it.
@biancajames: Yes—because wearing a spandex dress with neon dominos on it is not paying any particular homage to fashion or design, even if you are fat.
Punk has always been partially about fashion. Vivienne Westwood founded the "Sex" shop with Malcom Mclaren, and now she is high dollar designer. I don't know how I feel though about tranforming Beth Ditto into fashion's next 'it' girl as one day your 'in' and the next day your 'out', and she's to good for that.
@harpy: I have such a low opinion of the fashon industry in general that I'm afraid I can't see their embrace of Beth Ditto as anything other than tokenism. It won't last. It also won't open up the door for other fat girls to be taken seriously or even given the time of day by high fashion designers. If these people suddenly start making their ranges in sizes up to 20, I will happily eat my words. But let's just say I'm not holding my breath.
@BiteMeMitchell!: At least she was able to design her own clothing line for one season. It was interesting. If it sells, maybe there will be more opportunites for plus sizes.
This reflects a lot about how I feel about "high" fashion, which is similar to how I feel about "fine" art. A lot of it is self-important, but a lot of it is really beautiful, but exists on a level that isn't particularly practical or meant for the every day. It's an expression, which is lovely, but it hides some pretty elitist ideas.
Which is why I ultimately prefer going to thrift stores and Etsy.
Even if I can't read it, just the fact that "a queer theory reading of the Annual Taxidermy Convention, Competition, And Trade Show" exists makes me unspeakably happy.
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So hats off for Beth Ditto, for being way braver than I will ever be. #bethditto
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She could totally hang around Turkey Point or rock out on the Corny Collins Show in that outfit. #bethditto
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But I think that's because I'm more "classic" dresser...vs the trendy, 80's redux that's going on right now... #bethditto
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But I feel like it's not a coincidence that the larger woman who is considered "ok" by the fashion world says she likes to dress "like a clown"...
I'm not articulating it correctly...but like somehow her body type is acceptable because she has outrageous get-ups. Like somehow, she is an oddity....A half joke. A token figure. I just think there wouldn't be the same reaction if she wore more "sophisticated" wear. #bethditto
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I mean, I love Nirvana and Pearl Jam as much as the next late 20/early 30s lady, but jeans, flannels and a ratty cardigan are not exactly rock star clothes, you know what I mean? #bethditto
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But then, watching this video or appreciating what she's saying in an interview, I realize that even if that's the case, Beth is taking charge of the platform she's been given and not allowing herself to be the specimen they may or may not be intending to make her. Am I making any sense?
It's not like we're seeing a lot of larger women. We just keep seeing Beth (which is awesome--lots of Beth is amazing!) but ... I don't want her to be the mascot for high fashion. I want her to be the beginning of a new reality. You know? #bethditto
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(Not that the Ditto love is a bad thing, mind you! I'm not saying that at all. Just musing on the apparent love of extremes in the world of high fashion.) #bethditto
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& I don't know, I think it's kind of insulting to Beth to think that her involvement in fashion has anything to do with tokenism or exoticism, or making a show of political correctness & inclusion. I really believe that she is so cool, so unique, that she so exudes fashion from every fiber of her being, that the fact that she is plus sized isn't enough to keep her from being exactly where she belongs. #bethditto
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I hope you're right! #bethditto
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My hero! #bethditto
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Pretty much The Gossip is more famous in Europe because they're more aware of what good things are. #bethditto
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Oh well, I don't like their music anymore, but I still love Beth! #bethditto
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And now I feel like such a hipster cliche... #bethditto
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I grew up poor. We shopped in thrift stores for back to school clothes. Before it was cool. I got picked on. I grew up and turned my clothes from the thrift store into my personal creations, fixing them up from bits I picked up at the fabric store with babysitting money. I noticed Vogue. I started clipping pages I liked, collaging them and making art projects.
I saved up my money for forever and went to the mall to finally spend it. I found on a sale rack a heavily discounted DKNY tweed coat. I saw it in the store and tried it on and had this wonderful feeling. I honestly don't know what it was, just before I realized I didn't actually have enough for it. It was the most beautiful thing I ever thought that I could own, and I was shy of owning it even with all the money I had saved from babysitting and chores for the better part of a year. I cried. My mom found me in the store and gave me the difference I was short so I could have it, because she wanted to badly to be able to contribute to something nice of my own and not a hand-me-down. I've now had it for 15 years. I have worn it completely out. But I will never get rid of it.
I also grew up and found that there wasn't any money for college, despite a mysterious fund that my dead-beat dad set up that never materialized (obviously a lie to placate my mom). I eventually landed a job at Saks Fifth Avenue. I can not tell you how proud it made my mom that I had such a prestigious job, in her eyes. It was something that I kept wanting to pinch myself. I worked there! I was a part of fashion! My meager salary barely supported me, but I was a part of it. I could fuss and gawk at beautiful clothes and makeup and handbags all day, and I got paid for it! And the discount. I didn't make much, but I saved up and bought a Louis Vuitton purse. I've had this conversation with a couple of my super-close friends and I've come to the conclusion that these fashion things that I own are a symbol that I will never go back to the past. I wont be poor. I don't care that it sounds shallow. It probably means that I haven't found the right words, or I wasn't honest enough about my experience. Its the best I can manage to say.
But I really wanted to share this because we probably will never know what fashion means to Beth Ditto. I can tell you from having something a little similar in my past there is way more to it that even what made it into this comment. But also maybe we need to think to ourselves that people can have these shallow likes, fleeting fancies that we indulge in. It should never take away from the positive work that anyone does in other areas of their life. People are so much more than one sliver that is shown in the press, or in public for that matter. Sometimes we can't explain why a dress makes us happy. I don't think of her love of fashion as Ms. Ditto's defining aspect of character. She's a multi-faceted gem, thankfully not a cookie cutter bland personality as the author pointed out, with a parent quietly ushering her into the business. I'm pretty sure she's got the substance to back it up, even if the world isn't privy to it.
I know that the personal is political. But sometimes the personal can be personal and almost unexplainable. I feel like she is doing something, in spite (or because) of her love of high fashion. She refused Top Shop, and insisted on only designing a line for plus size. I say awesome! I have a few questions for all of us. Do we (and I mean this in a really broad sense) really need to rip someone down a notch? Do we need to insist her clothes she designed are ugly? Do we need to judge her friendships with the fashionable? Is this really what I signed up for in feminism? I remember getting schooled by a fellow feminist when I said something a bit degrading about a woman in my younger years. I learned from that and can say I feel like this kind of attitude holds us back. How do you get shit accomplished when one that is doing so much gets this kind of scrutiny, over dresses! Lets report to each other on awesome things women do, and celebrate things that bring us joy. I want so badly for everyone to build each other up. I know not everything is positive, but I can be hopeful, right?
***This got much longer than I intended, holy cow!
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Which is why I ultimately prefer going to thrift stores and Etsy.
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