I think Ivanka is a cool chick despite her dad. I call bullshit on Anna WIntour calling her and on her telling Anna no directly, over the phone. I think an offer was made through her dad. I can't understand why she would convert to Judaism to marry. I cant understand why rabbi's allow these conversions to happen.They are not true. She lived in NYC her whole life, she had plenty of chances of becoming a Jew. I am sure she knows a few, been to few Seders attending a bat/bav mitzvah or two and nothing called her to join the tribe.
I find the constant Wintour bashing at this site sort of baffling. In what way is Wintour a less desirable boss than Donald Trump, frequently bankrupted builder/brander of hideously godawful buildings, who is rather an ass all of the time?
Ivanka seems like a lovely and intelligent woman (I'm thinking we have Ivana to thank for that) but the last thing the world needs is another shitty, blowhard book of "advice" from a Trump.
my guess: "the Anna Wintour called me directly and offered me a job" story didn't happen QUITE that way... But revisionist history makes for a great read.
I have mixed feelings about Ivanka. On the one hand, she's fairly articulate, well-educated, beautiful and not Paris Hilton.
But on the other hand, is that really an accomplishment? Not being Paris? And I don't know if she's put her smarts to good use. You hear her parroting the same catchphrases as her dad. She drops a lot of "image", "branding", and "loyalty" into her conversations, which tells me she's not a critical thinker. And if she were as smart and ambitious as the Trump (TM) myth would like us to believe, why didn't she try her hand in an organization NOT controlled by her dad?
@Gumbina80: I went to Georgetown with Ivanka for a little bit. I never had a deep talk with her, she I doubt she'd recognize me today but I did interact with her a tiny bit and it was really hard to dislike her as much as I would have loved to.
Wha? Nobody pulls all-nighters on the eve of their graduation. Finals have been over for weeks, and you're more likely to be hung over from the week-long parties. Pssh.
She seems really well put together and articulate. Especially for someone who has had so many mind boggling privileges. But--two things:
1. I can't help but feel frustrated when there are really, really, ridiculously rich people who are also at least potentially really smart (which, she's clearly smart, and therefore has the potential for really-smartness), and they want to go into something like "real estate." I know that people should do what they want (and I believe that), but I also feel like if I had the luxury of never having to worry about money, I would either dedicate my life to arcane research that takes lots of money and time and patience, but that would increase the world's knowledge. Or I'd spend my time working for important causes, either the environment or women's rights or human rights or anything. But real estate? Perhaps I just can't understand because the idea of just being a business person seems to boring to me. It just seems like real estate does nothing to increase the amount of goodness in the world, and it's just an interesting business that can make a lot of money. Which, if you already have a lot of money, more than you could conceivably spend, why get a job whose sole purpose is to make money? Am I just too much of a dirty communist to understand this logic?
2. Not all women would want a job at Vogue. If Anna Wintour called me and offered me a job (not even calling my assistant!!) I wouldn't have a problem saying no. Not all women are the same. I wish people would stop talking about all be-vaginaed people like we're some monolithic block that all think and feel the same.
@bboston88: She is also probably going to inherit the buildings her father owns and she might want to manage them herself instead of hiring people to do so for her.
@bboston88: I grew up with my mother being a RE Broker for 30 years and I've never been more turned off on any profession than that. It looks so horrible, the constant hustle, the bullshit, the cutthroat backstabbing competitor drama.. it's so unenticing.
Then again, I suppose if she dealt in Trump-grade properties and I grew up being surrounded by awesome highrises in Manhattan and Waikiki, I may see it all differently..
Ivanka's Trump Card: Be born rich. Work for your billionaire daddy. Marry a guy who was born rich. Pretend you're where you're based on merit, not nepotism. Convince suckers to buy your book.
@24-7: You can't help the position you're born into. You wouldn't blame a poor person for being born poor, why blame her? The only thing you could blame her for was squandering opportunity, a la so many rich girls getting paid for party appearances, etc., which she never did.
@ketamineKitty: True, but you can blame a person for writing a self-help book about how to succeed when clearly their success is largely dependent on having resources that almost nobody else has.
@ketamineKitty: Who is "blaming" her for being born rich? Not me. I just find it hilarious that she keeps talking about "meritocracy" and pretending she can help people be successful (through her book) when her "accomplishments" are being born rich and getting hired by daddy.
I appreciate the idea of what she's saying but also, holding out for what you really want in life is not terribly easy when you really need an income. It's one of those pieces of advice that I read in career books and I always think "Well, that's nice in theory but I can't afford to find my passion and hold out for my dream job."
@EdnasEdibles: Thank you. I was listening to a writer speak awhile back and he was giving that career advice as well about doing what you want to do in life and not wasting time at jobs you hate, etc. All I kept thinking was, "well, that's easy for you to say because those script doctoring jobs you hated? Yeah, they gave you a pretty cush nest egg so you COULD stop doing it and concentrate on the writing you wanted to do."
I think the better advice would be to take these stupid offers and save the bank you make off of them, keep the expieriance from it THAN leave when you have a savings account to do what you love.
After all, would the Devil Wears Prada chick be where she is today if SHE turned down the job at Vogue?
One of my friends took classes with Ivanka and Penn and was very impressed by her. Apparently she won the genetic lottery: mom's looks and dad's brains. And she never made a big deal out of being a Trump, which is consistent with what she's saying here - my friend had no idea who she was until she saw a magazine cover with Ivanka's photo and put two and two together.
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Ivanka seems like a lovely and intelligent woman (I'm thinking we have Ivana to thank for that) but the last thing the world needs is another shitty, blowhard book of "advice" from a Trump.
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But on the other hand, is that really an accomplishment? Not being Paris? And I don't know if she's put her smarts to good use. You hear her parroting the same catchphrases as her dad. She drops a lot of "image", "branding", and "loyalty" into her conversations, which tells me she's not a critical thinker. And if she were as smart and ambitious as the Trump (TM) myth would like us to believe, why didn't she try her hand in an organization NOT controlled by her dad?
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Despite how repulsive I find her father, she is quite well spoken. I would enjoy her calm voice reading me a bedtime story every night.
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1. I can't help but feel frustrated when there are really, really, ridiculously rich people who are also at least potentially really smart (which, she's clearly smart, and therefore has the potential for really-smartness), and they want to go into something like "real estate." I know that people should do what they want (and I believe that), but I also feel like if I had the luxury of never having to worry about money, I would either dedicate my life to arcane research that takes lots of money and time and patience, but that would increase the world's knowledge. Or I'd spend my time working for important causes, either the environment or women's rights or human rights or anything. But real estate? Perhaps I just can't understand because the idea of just being a business person seems to boring to me. It just seems like real estate does nothing to increase the amount of goodness in the world, and it's just an interesting business that can make a lot of money. Which, if you already have a lot of money, more than you could conceivably spend, why get a job whose sole purpose is to make money? Am I just too much of a dirty communist to understand this logic?
2. Not all women would want a job at Vogue. If Anna Wintour called me and offered me a job (not even calling my assistant!!) I wouldn't have a problem saying no. Not all women are the same. I wish people would stop talking about all be-vaginaed people like we're some monolithic block that all think and feel the same.
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Then again, I suppose if she dealt in Trump-grade properties and I grew up being surrounded by awesome highrises in Manhattan and Waikiki, I may see it all differently..
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I think the better advice would be to take these stupid offers and save the bank you make off of them, keep the expieriance from it THAN leave when you have a savings account to do what you love.
After all, would the Devil Wears Prada chick be where she is today if SHE turned down the job at Vogue?
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