This is like that show TLC aired last night, "The 650 Pound Virgin: The Weight is Over." The cameras followed around a kid who had lost 400 pounds as he tried to connect with a girl. It was excruciating, and it did in fact involve him staring at girls before deciding to come over and make a stupid comment. Then he actually cashed in his V-Card, and they filmed him telling his male friends about it. I couldn't laugh at the poor guy, but I can laugh at this.
@Dictator for Life: Oh that show. Every time people tried to coach him on how to talk to women I just wanted to scream. He can talk to the camera, his doctors, his trainer, anyone else, but not women? Talk to them like you would anyone. Poor guy, acting like women are a foreign species will not help him, it just makes it all so much scarier.
@Blueberry26: It's weird, isn't it? I know plenty of guys who are not shy with anyone... but women. Of course, I know women who do the same thing with men, but this article's not about them, and neither was your comment.
It drives me crazy. You can talk to men, therefore you can talk to women. See, the problem is that you're either 1. Derogatory towards women and that's why you can't talk to them, or 2. Trying way too hard to impress them into wanting to sleep with you/be your girlfriend. If you acted like they were normal people to interact with and be friends/coworkers/whatever with, you'd have a much easier time talking to them.
@boxspelunker: I am one of those women who cannot talk to men I'm attracted to. Male friends, coworkers, even strangers I'm not attracted to, I'm fine with. If a cute guy talks to me, I get all flustered and end up being really over the top or too quiet. 'Tis a curse.
@18thfloor: That, to me, is understandable. The problem comes when you are attracted to everyone of the opposite (or same) sex, and extrapolate from there, so it becomes the way that you deal with the sex you're attracted to. It's the "I can't talk to women/men!" that I find frustrating, not, "I can't talk to a person I find attractive!"
This was awesome. I am still laughing. Also: The ticker at the bottom, detailing plans to include a warning label on the body of Mr. Potato Head after a kid managed to eat one. The label will read "warning: this is not a real potato". Ok now I can't stop laughing.
@Aesop's Foibles. YES.: No wonder the Palinites are starting with the children's books. I don't remember being quite that gullible at the "playing with Mr. Potato Head" stage. You know, where I'd assume he was edible?
(On the contrary, the fact the thing had a nose and mouth in addition to eyes, which standard potatoes do have, kind of creeped me out.)
Of course, I was a more cynical child than many, but ...
On behalf of the Girls with "Great Personality" Committee, I would like to make a hearty thank you to the Alliance of Hot Smart Guys for reaching out to a large but underrated group.
The Union of Average Dudes With Nothing Really Spectacular About Them held a similar press conference hours later where they outlined their response to the plan, which is to declare all women who will not fuck them stuck up bitches.
@morninggloria: They also invited the Attractive Girls Union to come cry on their shoulders the next time the Girls get dumped. However, Dudes did stipulate that they in turn will cop a feel while "comforting".
@Kitten is an 80s rocker: Dudes will also take liberty to judge the AGU for being stupid enough to date total douchebags instead of nice guys like Mike.
@CherriSpryte: They always do, though, don't they? It's like there's a NiceGuy® stamp that comes out on their foreheads under blacklight after they've finished dating you, thus making them all look alike.
Now if we could only get that sucker sign to turn itself on before they ask us out ...
A negotiation goes two ways - if Mr. Greenman would consider a razor, things might be different. But seeing that 67% of dudes with goatees have a 87% chance of being douchey, we can't ignore those odds.
@BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit): What about full beards? I have a beard and have been weighing the pros and cons of shaving it. A lot of people tell me I look good with a beard, but I think it's the kind of thing that people who already know me say. When I'm meeting women for the first time, I'm not sure what my beard is saying about me! 55% chance of living in a cave in the mountains, subsisting on squirrels and shrub roots? 36% chance of being unemployed or a pretentious writer/waiter? 64% chance of being generally filthy and unclean? I feel like the odds stack against men with beards on first glance.
@mbprice: Oh, dude, the scruffy look totally does it for me. If you like it and it looks good on you, keep it! My only advice is to balance it out with dressing a little nicer so you don't give off a dirty hippie vibe. Unless that's what you're going for, in which case, I cordially invite you to rock on.
@mbprice: I've been thinking of shaving, but my wife is dubious. She's only seen pictures of me clean shaven, and those date back to the late eighties. So I'm going to go with a full beard makes you look handsome, distinguished and like an all around good guy.
@mbprice: The SunburnedCounsel Union has negotiated a successful lifelong agreement with a Fully Bearded One. We feel it is a very, very different beast then the goatee, and is spectacular when kept well groomed. If worried, I would consider taking the above advise to dress a little nicer to counterbalance.
@mbprice: @token_illiterate_commenter: I just recently made a friend grow a beard because of how hot he looks with one-different strokes! Besides, tis the season for warm cozy beards. Don't fret about it till springtime.
@mbprice: Is it neatly trimmed? An ex decided to grow one of those beards whose hairs curled unchecked over his top lip practically into his mouth (and he did not shave his neck or trim the underside, etc). The moustache hairs crawled. up. my. nose. horribly when we kissed. Mind you, I was already on the way out the door at this point.
By contrast, a friend of mine has a beard like General Zod from superman, and while I have not tested whether it is tolerable at close range, he looks very handsome in it.
@token_illiterate_commenter: Full beard is fine as long as its long enough to not interfere with making out, but not too long as to make you look homeless. It's a delicate balance that can most def pay off if done right.
@Treeless: It's pretty neatly trimmed. Most of the time. Occasionally it gets a little wild and frankly I don't mind letting it do its thing for a couple weeks. But if I'm trying to look nice, yeah, I trim it down.
@token_illiterate_commenter: I think a neatly trimmed beard says a lot about a guy and can be a nice, distinguished and even handsome look. An unruly mountain man beard is a sign of a man who doesn't wash his sheets or towels and owns more pants with a drawstring rather than belt loops.
/married to a trimmed beard-o, dated a mountain man.
@merely_a_muse: I favor #2 on the beard trimmer. Long enough to be soft and not leave beard burn on the thighs, but short enough not to look like Santa.
@token_illiterate_commenter: @mbprice: I am fully in favor of full beards! I have tried to convince many a boyfriend to grow one, and they've all declined. A Jezedude with a full beard?? I'm in!
@token_illiterate_commenter: If you've had it that long, don't shave it. My dad has had a beard since 1971, except for one week in 1991. My mom cried, and my brother and I (11 and 7 at the time) wouldn't go near him till he grew it back. Also, it turns out he looks like the bastard child of John Denver and Axl Rose underneath all that facial hair. You don't want your loved ones seeing anything like that.
@mbprice: I sympathize about the whole beard thing...having to shave your face every day would suck (though I like clean-shaven myself). Try a shaving gel...like BaldGuyz.
If you have a little time you could probably look up reviews for a shaving gel that won't break you out or feel greasy.
After taking my brothers' suffering into consideration, now when I see someone with a beard, I don't necessarily think "dirty", I think...enh, he looks "scruffy" but screw it, I wouldn't want to shave every day either.
@maude_flanders: Scratch that....well-kept scruff is attractive to me as a girl, too....
I still would be paranoid that my bosses though less of me, if I work in a buttoned-up office environment. (Not that you should be--the non-paranoid half of me would say, "Screw it, if I don't feel like shaving, I won't.")
@BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit): Mr. Samarkand has a goatee. He shaved it off once and the result was that he looked like he was 12 and his weak chin was incredibly apparent. He grew it right back.
Ha! My roommates and I were actually discussing forming some sort of club the other day, with the mission of raising the bar of standard behavior for men in general, a union might not be the worst idea
@colormeroutine: But shouldn't they be forming the club? Seems to me that women are busy enough trying to solve things beyond their scope of responsibility. Though it would be handy for the guys, no doubt.
I cringed the whole way through that 30 Rock episode wherein Liz finds out that she was the one bullying the "mean girls" the whole time. TOO CLOSE, TINA.
For years, I thought I was this ostracized fat nerd who was persecuted for her brains and her ambitions; in reality, I was way more like an elitist megabitch who couldn't wait to get out of her "ugh, so pedestrian" hometown, who overreacted to some seriously weak-ass insults and exacted terrifying revenge every. Damn. Time. No wonder no one wanted to be my friend!
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I recall in the sixth form taking to task a fellow student who had been particularly mean spirited to me a few years earlier. She laughed it off claiming not to remember her acts of pure spite. Her memory lapse was either very convenient or else indicative of her total inability to have ever empathised with her erstwhile victim.
When I think of high school, I think of the quote from Daria: "Why would I want to return to a place where I was flatteringly referred to as the weird kid?"
My experience was not that mean girls terrorized me, but that I was simply not included or invited to anything. I was just not cool enough for unspecified reasons.
I was pretty much a loner in high school (and can be now), and the result is that I haven't really kept in touch with anyone from high school (I'm only 6 years out of hs, most people I know in my age range still talk with at least a couple of people from hs). #meangirls
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It drives me crazy. You can talk to men, therefore you can talk to women. See, the problem is that you're either 1. Derogatory towards women and that's why you can't talk to them, or 2. Trying way too hard to impress them into wanting to sleep with you/be your girlfriend. If you acted like they were normal people to interact with and be friends/coworkers/whatever with, you'd have a much easier time talking to them.
Women = people! It's crazy talk.
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(On the contrary, the fact the thing had a nose and mouth in addition to eyes, which standard potatoes do have, kind of creeped me out.)
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Now if we could only get that sucker sign to turn itself on before they ask us out ...
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By contrast, a friend of mine has a beard like General Zod from superman, and while I have not tested whether it is tolerable at close range, he looks very handsome in it.
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as long as you don't have a nest of birds residing in your beard, methinks
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If you have a little time you could probably look up reviews for a shaving gel that won't break you out or feel greasy.
After taking my brothers' suffering into consideration, now when I see someone with a beard, I don't necessarily think "dirty", I think...enh, he looks "scruffy" but screw it, I wouldn't want to shave every day either.
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I still would be paranoid that my bosses though less of me, if I work in a buttoned-up office environment. (Not that you should be--the non-paranoid half of me would say, "Screw it, if I don't feel like shaving, I won't.")
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(But then, that's one of the reasons I tend to blend in in New York and stick out in DC, I guess.)
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For years, I thought I was this ostracized fat nerd who was persecuted for her brains and her ambitions; in reality, I was way more like an elitist megabitch who couldn't wait to get out of her "ugh, so pedestrian" hometown, who overreacted to some seriously weak-ass insults and exacted terrifying revenge every. Damn. Time. No wonder no one wanted to be my friend!
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My experience was not that mean girls terrorized me, but that I was simply not included or invited to anything. I was just not cool enough for unspecified reasons.
I was pretty much a loner in high school (and can be now), and the result is that I haven't really kept in touch with anyone from high school (I'm only 6 years out of hs, most people I know in my age range still talk with at least a couple of people from hs). #meangirls
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I made my best friend in high school b/c college (I was a commuter) didn't yield the opportunity to get to know many people, no matter how nice some kids in the smaller classes weree... kinda hurts when you know the group of kids you sidelined during four years of high school doesn't really include you now that you're older. Or rather, it hurts me. #meangirls