Um...I just took it as they had a pole so she wouldn't fall off of the moving cart she was standing on...and she knelt down to sing to the crowd. Yup.
Not everything is as perverted as people make it.
@kendroboto: Gotta say, as per usual, I doubt anyone would really have noticed this performance as being anything controversial had the media (including Jezebel) not decided to jump all over it. A 16 yr-old pop star holds on to a pole while dancing in small shorts. OMG terror. Is this really a huge deal AT ALL? Miley is 16, and that's when most girls start discovering their sexuality (though even that makes her a bit of a late bloomer) and it was so playful, innocent and silly I really don't see the big deal. Lots of girls dance like this in their bedrooms when they are 12, it doesn't mean they all think of themselves as sexual objects. I'm getting a bit tired of this idea that anything one views/listens to as a child directly influences them as an adult. And I'm also getting tired of the idea that anything a teenage girl does which doesn't involve wearing church clothes and staying quiet means she is being sexualized and exploited.
@chancentrate: I think the point is that 12-year-old girls wouldn't be dancing around like this in their bedrooms if it weren't for this find of influence... and being of a fairly young age and somewhat part of this generation I can assure you that, yes, they pretty much all think of themselves as sexual objects in this circumstance.
That being said- I personally think that that the condonment of this kind of behavior can seriously influence their adult behavior, not because it will make them any less developed overall, but because they're spending an extremely significant part of their developmental childhood focused on things that are completely irrelevant to their overall mental well-being. Instead of focusing on dancing and dressing like sluts (pardon the harsh term), and acting like complete idiots to get attention from boys (which really is all it is), they should be focusing on things like their education and community service, things that also build life-long self-esteem. I'm not saying that young girls can't go out and have fun- but the problem is that its really the only focus and priority for a lot of these girls. And yes, a young girl dressing in incredibly scantily-clad clothing- entirely for the purpose of attracting male attention, whether she is aware of it or not, is sexually exploiting herself.
@hunniebunnie: While I agree that children are sexualized younger, I distinctly remember being about 10 years old and planning on going to "the races" (car racing was big for awhile) and practicing looking sexy for adult men. I wanted to wear bright red lipstick and tried to play stupid to my mom. I did the same thing for Halloween, when I decided to be a "hooker" in the 5th grade. I was a brilliant kid.
I've never told anyone that.
I was hypersexualized for a few years, and then I just stopped. I'm 22 now, and I spend a fair amount of time volunteering, working with human rights groups, the environment and I'll graduate university in the spring.
While hypersexualization are certainly dangerous, I don't think they will ruin a child if they are played out safely and they have other ways of expressing themselves. I don't know if Cyrus has that or not, but I know that my phase was temporary, and thankfully, not dangerous.
I've been trying to pinpoint why I'm so bothered by the Miley dance when I was a 7 yo signing "Like a Virgin" and dressing like Madonna at our slumber parties. The difference for me really is that Madonna was an adult woman. As a 7 yo, I knew that I was imitating an adult and that was part of the fun. With Miley, she's still a child portraying a child. The Hannah Montana movie hasn't even been released on DVD yet. Her show is in constant rotation, and I don't see her trying to separate from Hannah and Disney. She's trying to play it both ways: be super sexy in the booty shorts, high boots, backless top and stripper poll imagery; and market her clothes, dolls, tv show, etc. to my daughter entering K. My 12 yo son is more interested in Queens of the Stone Age, but he has friends that are fans and have watched the show since it started. They are entering adolescence and seeing this as role model behavior for 16 yo girls.
I've done professional stage work. I'v built stages for britney spears, trans siberian orchestra, genesis, spice girls, madonna, and a few others.
ANYTIME they put talent on a moving object there is something to support them or to hold on to. I don't think it was meant to be stripper pole as much as a "miley, don't fall off the roley cart pole." She didn't even do any stripper moves on it. She squatted next to it with her hand on it, which if you've ever squatted you know it's easier to do/hold/get up from when you can hold onto something. She didn't spin on it or grind against it. I think it's pretty innocent. Also when performing you come to learn that working on multiple levels (near the floor, standing sitting etc) makes a performance more appealing, she was just changing levels.
If you're on an uneven stage on a box that rolls and is being pushed by a dancer with flashing lights and lots of noise all around you and heals, I'm sure you'd want something to hold on to too.
@ammre:
When I watched the video in the little YouTube box, I assumed she was holding onto the cart's umbrella stand. Especially, since the "pole" is only slightly taller than her and in the still, it looks very small.
when miley was a kid, kids were who she was supposed to be marketing herself for. if she continued to market herself to the 8-9 year old crowd, not only would it be unfair to her to not expect her to grow and mature within her own ability and markey sector, but she'd be replaced tomorrow with all the other younger 8-9 year olds at disney. you can't expect starlets and poptarts to continue to make the same music and moves for the rest of their lives. let her try and grow and change as an artist and performer. yes, 16 year olds don't belong on stripper poles, but she was hardly doing upside down thigh high boot gripping moves here. it honestly looked more like something to hold on to to me. and my girlfriends and i were doing stripper moves on basement support poles at slumber parties in 5th grade. this is nothing shocking to kids...it's shocking to adults, and is probably related to their own comfort level with young sexuality. every single teen idol has faced the same criticism when they start to grow up and try and assert their adulthood. we all did it. miley's just in the spotlight. critics and strip club owners (now that's a new one) spew the same "shock and awe!" over it every time. it's boring. she's 16...i don't even want to tell you what i was doing at 16 to assert my "adulthood." she's allowed to change her market if she wants to, she's just in a limbo right now of what venues will book her vs what venues she wants to play to.
@TheGuvnah: sure...as part of truth or dare and other ridiculous things. we didn't know what we were doing but we knew the concept. it was mostly twrling and dancing. my point was maily that girls know what sexuality is often before they become "sexualized."
@TheGuvnah:
Kids emulate alot of things. I wanted to be EVERYTHING when I was a kid. Sometimes play is just play. I used to want to be a tiger when I was little, I didn't grow up to be one.
I dunno, folks. I don't think Miley Cyrus has any obligations to continue performing for a certain audience if she doesn't want to. Whether we're talking about great artists like Bob Dylan or lame ones like her, at the end of the day, their fans do not own them. I'm sure Disney's got a crop of tweens ready to replace her and her peers soon anyway. Such is the cycle of teen pop stardom.
@Hunter_Suicide: Ahhh, I disagree. I don't know if you realize how young her fans are -- we're talking 5 through 10, at the oldest. If you've made your millions on having your face plastered on child-size backpacks, you hold some obligation. And lets be honest, she's not an artist. She's a performer -- there's a difference.
On a positive note, when she appears on talk shows, she comes across as mature, confident, and in control. She’s well spoken for a person her age and does not seem stupid or drug addled. She tries a little too hard to impress, but for teenagers that’s par for the course.
I would feel better about all of this if I could ascertain whether she herself understood that she was using unexpected or inappropriate expressions of sexuality to manipulate audiences and score P.R. points. If she knows what she’s doing, more power to her: it’s a page out of young Madonna’s playbook, really.
@iplaudius: She tries a little too hard to impress, but for teenagers that’s par for the course.
So much word. I think that's why as much as I hate to, I identify with her. I tried so hard to impress people at 16 that it makes me a little sick to think about now.
So Miley, I hope in 10 years you look back, cringe at some of the ridiculous things you did, and feel happy you don't care what others think now.
When I saw Miley Cyrus on that crummy pole, my heart sank a little: because, once again, she was saying that what she does, and her market, isn't important and she's eager to leave it behind.
Oh, Sadie, again I'm going to go all fan-girl again: I love your voice, truly.
"A symbol of modern young womanhood"??? A stripper pole??
Uh...when I turned 16, I had a birthday party at Dave & Busters and received some clothes, a makeup kit from Bealls and an *NSYNC poster. I think those are symbols of young womanhood not a stripper pole...
@thequeenofstartingover: Seriously i believe i was still rocking out to the backstreet boys/n*sync. symbol of young womanhood my ass, i hate how people often deem teens asmore sexual than they actually are. Some yes but not all.
So, Sean Kingston was only 17 when he released "Beautiful Girls"? ... Can you imagine what the backlash would be if Miley were to release a song in a year with lyrics about a boy making her suicidal?
@OrlandoCharybdis: Christ, the worst thing about that song was repetition of suicidal in the chorus. Really, is the kind of message is a healthy image of teen love? Me thinks not.
she could have used the cage format. where in she had 4 bars to hold onto like a fence. but then people would have said she wants to be a circus whore? lose lose situation. perhaps she should have just walked the entire performance lol? take note ice cream carts = devil.
That clip seemed like such a perfect metaphor of teenaged female sexuality. You're put up on display, told to be sweet, but not too sweet, and given a bunch of props to make you sexy, but at the end of the day you have no idea how to use them. So you just stand there grabbing the stripper pole praying you don't fall off the ice cream chart while stage hands wheel it across for everyone to watch.
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WTF: a symbol of modern young womanhood (a stripper pole)
No, a stripper pole ISN"T a SYMBOL OF MODERN YOUNG WOMANHOOD--It's a symbol of $tripping, of taking your clothes off, for money, presumably because you have no other skills/education to rely on. The young woman I knew who stripped said she did so because she had no self esteem to due her father beating her as she was growing up. It was a trolling place for johns and she ended up, like many strippers, becoming a prostitute. I am a young modern woman and the stripper pole does NOT symbolize MY choices or MY future. If I had daughters I wouldn't want it to them either.
@Hunter_Suicide: Amen. There are also a few Jezzies who are strippers!
There are women (and men) who are strippers because they have no other options. There are also those who are strippers because they want to be.
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Not everything is as perverted as people make it.
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That being said- I personally think that that the condonment of this kind of behavior can seriously influence their adult behavior, not because it will make them any less developed overall, but because they're spending an extremely significant part of their developmental childhood focused on things that are completely irrelevant to their overall mental well-being. Instead of focusing on dancing and dressing like sluts (pardon the harsh term), and acting like complete idiots to get attention from boys (which really is all it is), they should be focusing on things like their education and community service, things that also build life-long self-esteem. I'm not saying that young girls can't go out and have fun- but the problem is that its really the only focus and priority for a lot of these girls. And yes, a young girl dressing in incredibly scantily-clad clothing- entirely for the purpose of attracting male attention, whether she is aware of it or not, is sexually exploiting herself.
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I've never told anyone that.
I was hypersexualized for a few years, and then I just stopped. I'm 22 now, and I spend a fair amount of time volunteering, working with human rights groups, the environment and I'll graduate university in the spring.
While hypersexualization are certainly dangerous, I don't think they will ruin a child if they are played out safely and they have other ways of expressing themselves. I don't know if Cyrus has that or not, but I know that my phase was temporary, and thankfully, not dangerous.
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ANYTIME they put talent on a moving object there is something to support them or to hold on to. I don't think it was meant to be stripper pole as much as a "miley, don't fall off the roley cart pole." She didn't even do any stripper moves on it. She squatted next to it with her hand on it, which if you've ever squatted you know it's easier to do/hold/get up from when you can hold onto something. She didn't spin on it or grind against it. I think it's pretty innocent. Also when performing you come to learn that working on multiple levels (near the floor, standing sitting etc) makes a performance more appealing, she was just changing levels.
If you're on an uneven stage on a box that rolls and is being pushed by a dancer with flashing lights and lots of noise all around you and heals, I'm sure you'd want something to hold on to too.
08/12/09
When I watched the video in the little YouTube box, I assumed she was holding onto the cart's umbrella stand. Especially, since the "pole" is only slightly taller than her and in the still, it looks very small.
IOW: It looks like an umbrella stand to me.
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wow. I don't really know how to respond to that.
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how about without judgement?
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Kids emulate alot of things. I wanted to be EVERYTHING when I was a kid. Sometimes play is just play. I used to want to be a tiger when I was little, I didn't grow up to be one.
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I think it was perfectly appropriate for a girl her age to dance around a pole. She just did it about 3 months late.
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I would feel better about all of this if I could ascertain whether she herself understood that she was using unexpected or inappropriate expressions of sexuality to manipulate audiences and score P.R. points. If she knows what she’s doing, more power to her: it’s a page out of young Madonna’s playbook, really.
08/11/09
So much word. I think that's why as much as I hate to, I identify with her. I tried so hard to impress people at 16 that it makes me a little sick to think about now.
So Miley, I hope in 10 years you look back, cringe at some of the ridiculous things you did, and feel happy you don't care what others think now.
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Oh, Sadie, again I'm going to go all fan-girl again: I love your voice, truly.
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Uh...when I turned 16, I had a birthday party at Dave & Busters and received some clothes, a makeup kit from Bealls and an *NSYNC poster. I think those are symbols of young womanhood not a stripper pole...
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No, a stripper pole ISN"T a SYMBOL OF MODERN YOUNG WOMANHOOD--It's a symbol of $tripping, of taking your clothes off, for money, presumably because you have no other skills/education to rely on. The young woman I knew who stripped said she did so because she had no self esteem to due her father beating her as she was growing up. It was a trolling place for johns and she ended up, like many strippers, becoming a prostitute. I am a young modern woman and the stripper pole does NOT symbolize MY choices or MY future. If I had daughters I wouldn't want it to them either.
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There are women (and men) who are strippers because they have no other options. There are also those who are strippers because they want to be.