Meh,I have a slightly different take on this,I'm not a fan of Sylvia Plath,not as a poet nor as a mother.
My understanding is, that when she finally committed suicide, it wasn't the first/second/third time she had attempted it.She had made it the ultimate game of romantic Russian roulette. Someone- i.e. Hughes, was always meant to rush in and save her.
When she finally committed suicide, it was an accident, she'd staged it so that Hughes would be home in time to save her (yet again) but a freak snow storm stopped him from doing so.
So she died, in front of her two small children.
I think that she was the most dreadful,selfish narcissist .
Depression is a fucking bitch, but if you are going to use attempted suicide as theatre or as a means of control, then you are a fucking bitch too.
She'd also obviously had pyschological problems for a very long time, she'd been hospitalized (The Bell Jar anyone?) as a teenager and she had always been mentally fragile.
It was also nice that someone finally mentioned Assia Wevill( Hughes' mistress who apparently gassed herself - and her daughter) , by name, her daughter was called Shura . She wasn't just some crazy woman who also committed suicide "for" Ted Hughes, she was a wonderful, talented, beautiful woman in her own right.
This whole subject, for me, strikes at the heart of feminism.Noone can MAKE another person commit suicide .We are entirely responsible for our own lives - and our own deaths.
The fact that Ted Hughes, obviously attracted and possibly exploited,very needy, desperate women , is one thing ,that he was responsible for their ultimate actions, is another.
I would hope that his son's actions are taken on their own merits, it is desperately sad when anyone feels that they have to take their own lives and Nicholas, RIP, and hopefully your life and your death will be seen as your own.
This whole comment smacks of the "Daily Mail" sensationalism " Wooah! it's a family curse !!!!!"
@hitchcockblonde: I agree with you that the sensationalism is awful, and that Nicholas Hughes should just be looked at as himself, not as the legacy of two poets, or the ongoing result of a curse. I do agree with you that people are responsible for their own actions. But I have read a lot about Sylvia Plath. She sounds like she was a very difficult person. But her suicide attempts were genuine. The first time, she crawled into a crawl space and took an overdose of pills. She was not playing Russian Roulette, and she did not want to be rescued. The fact that she did this in her apartment with the kids- well, that doesn't make any sense and does seem selfish, but then I would imagine that she wouldn't be in her right mind. In her state, she put towels under their doors, and left them milk and toast. In her state, she was trying to take care of them. But if you're at the point where you're going to kill yourself, regular logic doesn't work.
Sylvia Plath is my favorite poet of all time. She and I had some major daddy issues and her poems were the first time I was aware that someone else loved and hated their dad simultaneously.
@Maulleigh: I don't think drugs for issues like that are the same thing as say, taking anti-biotics if you've got an infection. It might not have been a chemical imbalance anyway.
A relative of mine (who coincidentally also lived in AK) committed suicide last year after starting on some of those magical drugs you mention to treat his depression. For some people, drugs can actually exacerbate to the problem.
@Maulleigh: My one attempt was while on meds. We've made a lot of progress with depression, but there is so much more to be made. And, of course, the variety of presentations can make it hard to diagnose precisely - depression may look like anxiety, bipolar like depression, etc.
Oh my god- that's awful. I feel really bad now because I just wrote a blog post a couple days ago criticizing Plath for some things she did that I thought were not especially nice, and now I pretty much feel like the biggest jerk ever myself. Shit.
I can't imagine what it must feel like in the hours leading up to taking one's own life. Here's hoping that he has found peace and that others heading down his path might find comfort in something other than suicide.
@Mama Penguino: "I was shocked to hear today, doncha know, that uh, one of our first dudes of fishery had to travel on to the big huntin' ground in the sky *wink*. Plath who? Don't try and trip me up with one of yer Katie Couric trick questions now."
"but ultimately he could not escape the legacy of being the offspring of one of the most famous and tragic literary relationships of the 20th century"
This sentence disturbs me as he seems to have done a great job carving a niche for himself as a scientist. He was depressed, but speculating that it's because he lived in the shadows of his parents' lives/loves is just wrong.
@pupsnpies: Yeah, I don't get that either. If they're hypothesizing that he could not escape the genetics of depression and suicidal tendencies, then that;s fine. But it makes it sound like he did what he did to get away from his family's famous tragedies and that doesn't sound like it's the case.
I met Frieda briefly a long time ago at a reading of her poetry. She's pretty bitter and wounded about the whole Plath Industry thing, not surprisingly.
He was quite accomplished and I had the pleasure of working with him on a project, when I was in HS. I interned for the State and my mentor worked with him.
Yeah, I had the wacky idea I wanted to be a marine biologist when I was 16. Oh well.
Wow. I can't imagine it was an accident that he has a career so wildly different from his parents' and then to come to a similarly tragic end; eerie but not surprising, I guess.
@LaComtesse: i know, right? hhhhh. genetics. there is no escape!
that said, suicide is a problem in alaska. a lot of people have trouble with SAD and depression. i can only imagine how difficult it would be for one genetically predisposed to such ailments.
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My understanding is, that when she finally committed suicide, it wasn't the first/second/third time she had attempted it.She had made it the ultimate game of romantic Russian roulette. Someone- i.e. Hughes, was always meant to rush in and save her.
When she finally committed suicide, it was an accident, she'd staged it so that Hughes would be home in time to save her (yet again) but a freak snow storm stopped him from doing so.
So she died, in front of her two small children.
I think that she was the most dreadful,selfish narcissist .
Depression is a fucking bitch, but if you are going to use attempted suicide as theatre or as a means of control, then you are a fucking bitch too.
She'd also obviously had pyschological problems for a very long time, she'd been hospitalized (The Bell Jar anyone?) as a teenager and she had always been mentally fragile.
It was also nice that someone finally mentioned Assia Wevill( Hughes' mistress who apparently gassed herself - and her daughter) , by name, her daughter was called Shura . She wasn't just some crazy woman who also committed suicide "for" Ted Hughes, she was a wonderful, talented, beautiful woman in her own right.
This whole subject, for me, strikes at the heart of feminism.Noone can MAKE another person commit suicide .We are entirely responsible for our own lives - and our own deaths.
The fact that Ted Hughes, obviously attracted and possibly exploited,very needy, desperate women , is one thing ,that he was responsible for their ultimate actions, is another.
I would hope that his son's actions are taken on their own merits, it is desperately sad when anyone feels that they have to take their own lives and Nicholas, RIP, and hopefully your life and your death will be seen as your own.
This whole comment smacks of the "Daily Mail" sensationalism " Wooah! it's a family curse !!!!!"
My thoughts go out to Frieda.
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A relative of mine (who coincidentally also lived in AK) committed suicide last year after starting on some of those magical drugs you mention to treat his depression. For some people, drugs can actually exacerbate to the problem.
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This sentence disturbs me as he seems to have done a great job carving a niche for himself as a scientist. He was depressed, but speculating that it's because he lived in the shadows of his parents' lives/loves is just wrong.
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I met Frieda briefly a long time ago at a reading of her poetry. She's pretty bitter and wounded about the whole Plath Industry thing, not surprisingly.
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He was quite accomplished and I had the pleasure of working with him on a project, when I was in HS. I interned for the State and my mentor worked with him.
Yeah, I had the wacky idea I wanted to be a marine biologist when I was 16. Oh well.
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that said, suicide is a problem in alaska. a lot of people have trouble with SAD and depression. i can only imagine how difficult it would be for one genetically predisposed to such ailments.