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Schm
03/19/09

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Is there something to be said for moderation? I mean, I know that it's still terrible, but I smoke occasionally when I go out (maybe like a pack a month, at most) and I lay out to tan during warm weather. I don't get super dark, but just enough to give me some color. Shows like this scare the shit out of me, but I retain the wishful thinking that this won't happen because I'm not extreme about it. Please tell me I am right...
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Chrissyteenychan
03/19/09

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Hmmm... I tanned for two months in the dead of winter to help deal with a skin condition (doctor reccommended) and it was pretty awesome for the seasonal affective disorder as well. So.... I can't see tanning as all bad. But in that moderate way that doesn't give you cancer.
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Red-headed bookworm
03/19/09

@Chrissyteenychan: Yeah, I tanned before. Silly, but it was SOOOO nice and warm in the middle of winter. I don't do it anymore. It didn't really make me any darker, either. I am super-pale but I don't burn easily. I just don't tan much, either. I darken maybe a couple shades in the summer, from white-white to slightly less white.
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disco2000
03/18/09

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Since a lot of people (myself included) are discussing wearing sunscreen, tanning, etc and aging, I just want to throw this out there as a PSA to all my lovely Jezzies: It's not just wearing any sunscreen, it's wearing the right stable sunscreen with UVA protection (SPF only tells you about UVB) that will help your preserve your skin. There is a great message board on www.makeupalley.com (go to the skincare board) and people are constantly talking about the right sunscreens, how to reverse photoaging, etc. It's a great place to start reading if you're looking to find out what you should do to best prevent aging, and of course, skin cancer. (Also as a bonus, if you have acne there's lots of good info).
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marzipane
03/18/09

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Wait, what does drinking do to you? I must know!!!
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disco2000
03/18/09

@marzipane: With drinking it's a fine line - I think the excessive, alcoholic drinking for years and years is what causes people to look like the crazy Tyra makeover. But supposedly a glass of wine daily is good for you and has all sorts of antioxidants, and antioxidants are anti-aging! So as with everything, moderation is the key. (Although I'm not so sure there is such a thing as moderation in cigarettes, even if you only smoked one cigarette a week, it would still probably yellow your teeth and stink you up for a while. I'm not a fan of smoking.)
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eri401
03/18/09

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I think moving to San Diego has aged me rapidly - the burning burning year round sun. I know its a whiny thing to complain about, but when you're anti-sun, anti-tan like me it is quite annoying.

There is a saying in Japan that women from Akita prefecture are beautiful. You know where it stemmed from? Akita has shitty cloudy weather! The women all had ageless, even skin!
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disco2000
03/18/09

@eri401: You know, the sun has two types of rays - UVA and UVB. UVB rays are less intense on cloudy days, and they do age somewhat, and cause cancer. UVA rays actually penetrate clouds and glass, so it is intense year round, and it even attacks you through the windows. And it is a much bigger factor in aging!! So the lesson is you need to wear sunscreen daily, at least on your face, since it gets the most sun. And it needs to be a stable, high UVA protecting sunscreen. SPF tells you absolutely nothing about the UVA protection level (It could be an SPF 50 and still have crappy UVA protection) and a lot of US sunscreens become unstable after a while and do nothing for protection. I'm in SoCal too, so I'm terrified of sun damage, but I've just done my research on sunscreen and never go to the beach.

Anyway, main point - even if you're in a cloudy area and you are concerned about aging, do some research on proper sunscreens, and make sure to wear a REAL sunscreen, not just something in your foundation! Ok, sorry to rant, but I'm a bit obsessed with the sunscreen thing :)
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tscheese
03/18/09

@disco2000: This is why I don't even let the sun touch me when I'm indoors. Haaaaaate!
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tscheese
03/18/09

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Okay, the drinking: I do like booze. It's an extremely rare event that I will drink enough in one sitting to feel anything other than vaguely relaxy-warm, but I do probably have at least one drink almost daily. It's supposed to be good for you in moderation. I try.

I hate the sun. I hate the sun. I. HATE. THE. SUN. I hate UV light. I hate sunburn. I have bright orange hair and Macbook-white skin that can barely even muster up the melanin for a few freckles. I have no natural defenses against the hateful, painful, seething Daystar, and so I hide from it, under silly hats and parasols and greasy buckets of SPF50 that make me slimy and zitty. I lurk in shadow and shun the summer. I hate you, sun. I hate summer and sunshine and beaches and bright warm June days. I fucking hate the fucking sun. Fuck you, sun. I hate you.

You don't have to tell me twice to avoid tanning, because I have to avoid tanning. Fifteen minutes of direct sunlight is enough to turn my skin from pasty-jiggly wonderbread to pulsing hot red sore. I have a very, very, very strong aversion to the sun because all it has ever done is hurt me. I hate that thing. I HATE THAT THING.
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pseudonom is ON STRIKE.
03/18/09

@tscheese: Are you a long-lost Cullen family member?
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Grim Reaper of the Forest
03/18/09

@tscheese: I have bad rosacea, so I also see the sun as my nemesis. If I forget to bring a hat with me in the summer, walking down the street is liking dodging bullets in Iraq, as I dash from one tree to the next.
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disco2000
03/18/09

@tscheese: I wear sunscreen on my face daily, but usually only bother to apply it to my arms, etc when I'm planning to be out for a while. Last summer I was in the parking lot talking to some friends for 10 minutes, wearing a dress with spaghetti straps. My shoulders got burnt.

I am very proud of myself, however - this weekend I spent 2 days at the BNP Paribas Open watching tennis from 10am to 10pm, in the hot CA desert sun. I wore my gigantic sun hat, put on a white long sleeve jacket in the heat, wore long pants, and constantly re-applied my SPF 70. I successfully got through the weekend without tanning or burning of any kind!!
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rubber soul
03/18/09

@tscheese: That's like me. 1/2 hour in direct sunlight and sunburn time! I don't tan, ever. I progressively burn, and once the dead skin peels away I'm a half a shade darker for about 1 week.
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tscheese
03/18/09

@rubber soul: Man, I don't even get the extra shade darker. When my skin burns enough to peel or blister, the only color underneath is agony. The only changes in color result from my skin cooking. I have two settings: printer paper, and lobster.

Friends will exult in the sunshine and warm weather and ask me if I have any fun summertime plans, like beach or pool or whatnot, and I'll have to admit that my favorite summertime activities are conducted indoors in the air conditioning (playing with the Internet with the shades closed as dark as I can get them.)

My mom has the same coloring as I, and we both react violently to the sun in the exact same way. I asked her if we had some kind of skin condition. She misheard me, thought I was asking if we were Scandinavian, and she said "yes."
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AuntPenny
03/18/09

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I'm a smoker. I never go out in the sun, use sunscreen and don't drink too much. I'm over 30, but people think I'm 25.

Whatever. I'm going out to smoke. Lectures make me sick.
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AuntPenny
03/18/09

@AuntPenny: Um, I meant I DO use sunscreen. Anyway, moving on.
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Beat Girl
03/19/09

@AuntPenny: I'm in the same boat as you. I don't tan EVER, I rarely drink, so my only real vice is cigarettes. Of which I smoke a lot.

It won't be forever, though, because I don't want to lose my teeth.
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LaFemme
03/19/09

@Beat Girl (formerly Miss Carrie Nation): @AuntPenny: Add me to this. I eat well, exercise, take care of my skin, have used sunscreen everyday since I was 14, never really burned as a child (always sunscreen in the sun) I never tan (lotion only), but I do like my wine and smoke, not loads, but like a pack a week.
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La Chica Lucy
03/18/09

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When I was a reporter at age 25, I was covering what turned out to be a serial killer. At first the story was about missing prostitutes. These young women were all horrifically addicted to crack and/or heroin and booze and while they were the same age as I was at time, or younger, I swear to God, the first time I saw each of their mug shots, I always thought they were at least 15 to 20 years older than they actually were. It was so sad, because they were all such beautiful young women before the drugs took them over (and I don't mean "movie star" beautiful, although a couple of them were; I just mean, like, pretty, vibrant young women). I remember remarking to a detective, "You might want to consider showing high school girls before and after pictures of actual addicts" in an effort to prevent drug abuse.

That being said, I don't watch daytime TV and I cannot click on the links at work, so I have NO idea of Tyra is being a bitch here or if the "makeovers" are way too extreme, or whatever. I'm just saying that, yeah, sleeping in a tanning booth is probably not only going to affect your health in a negative way, but your physical appearance as well. If seeing actual visible damage from activities that are inherently bad for you prevents some people from starting unhealthy practices or encourages some people to quit them, well, that's not so bad. This smoker WISHES there had been more effort to prevent teens from smoking when I was a kid (we had designated smoking areas on campus in High School, ferchristsake)!
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MeganGlass 就是一个古代的三明治
03/18/09

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Well, here's what I say:

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03/19/09

@MeganGlass: Aw, you suck, photobucket.

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Beat Girl
03/19/09

@MeganGlass: HAHAH! That amazing.
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The Queen of No
03/18/09

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I laughed so hard when that smoker said "..because I am SO into my looks!"

It's funny that she thinks that since most African American's don't age like that, she can just go buck-wild and smoke all she wants! It reminds me of my friend who quit smoking but then started again because his Dad has been smoking for 40 years and still hasn't become ill from it.
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disco2000
03/18/09

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This is an opportunity to inflict upon all of you this horrifying Australian tanning PSA. I warn you, this song was stuck in my head for a week.

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GoldenRatioφ (aka -girl11)
03/18/09

@disco2000: Omg cancer that sings. I will have nightmares tonight for sure.
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GoldenRatioφ (aka -girl11)
03/18/09

@disco2000: I love how the women in it are all incredibly tan still, even the ones wearing hoodies. Couldn't albino dude pick up some hot albino girls? Or do the women still have to tan despite the risk of cancer? Or do only the dudes get cancer? Caaaaterwauling away, I have a headache.
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disco2000
03/18/09

@goldengirl11 (is way too earnest): Also the hoodie girls are all brunettes from what I can tell, I wonder if that makes any difference? Maybe they spray tan, so it's not dangerous? Also, shorty shorts won't help protect you from cancer that much more than bikini bottoms. It's all so terrible and confusing.
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SarahHeartburn
03/18/09

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People in Spain think I'm about 15 years younger than I am; people in the US usually guess my age correctly (53). Here, it all has to do with excessive sunning (the Spaniards only started doing the beach thing in the 60's, when the country opened to tourism) and SMOKING. Which a lot of women did from the late 60's-late 90's, kind of as a form of rebellion. Result? Craggy looking 50 year olds. The younger women here are getting the message on smoking though not necessarily on sun (hey, girls, just because you're morenas doesn't mean you won't wrinkle). Here, they stare at us rubias and wonder why we don't look like crones at 50.
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Evie Havok
03/18/09

@SarahHeartburn: There are morenas (which literally translates to brown girl) that are spaniard? All the Spaniards that I've met have been translucent white and some have been blonde.
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debo matar la zombi goldberry83
03/18/09

@afiunderground: Morena: brunette (at least to me), as opposed to rubia: blonde. :)
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DutchessOfDork
03/18/09

@SarahHeartburn: When I was there, I was easily the palest as well as the most dressed. (I do not partake in the no bikini top, that skin is too thin and sensitive). Some of those women and men had horrid skin. Oh dear.
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Evie Havok
03/18/09

@debo matar la zombi goldberry83: OH! That's a strange use for that word. I've never heard of it used like that. Why not just say brunette? Well, thanks for clarifying!
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debo matar la zombi goldberry83
03/18/09

@afiunderground: Why not just say brunette?

Well, I guess because brunette is French, whereas morena is the Spanish equivalent of brunette. ;)
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rubber soul
03/18/09

@debo matar la zombi goldberry83: I'm pretty sure that morena refers to skin tone, as well.
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debo matar la zombi goldberry83
03/18/09

@rubber soul: It could be one of those things that depends on the region.
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LaFemme
03/19/09

@rubber soul: It doesn't necessarily. It can, but not always. In Spain Morena=Brunette and has NO skin connotations.
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slowpoke.r
03/19/09

@afiunderground: Many members of my Spanish family were/ are brown, and have black or dark brown hair. My father has been called a "little Mexican guy" before by complete strangers (let's not even get into it, it was a thruway rest stop). Perhaps it has to do with the area of Spain? My family is from the Basque region.
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Liz11685
03/18/09

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I cannot believe the first woman in the video "My looks are the most important thing to me!" Yikes, dude, that is definitely not showing any possibility for inner beauty. I wonder where these people come from that only the outside matters. For me growing up it was my brain and actions that mattered the most.
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Birthday Girl
03/18/09

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I'm an extreme tanorexic and I cannot stop. In all seriousness, I would need to see a shrink and work through my all-encompassing phobia of being pale before I could stop tanning. My reaction to things like this is to cover my face in the tanning bed. I cover my face with a towel literally every time I tan.

Recently a friend took some picture of me while I was wearing minimal makeup and the discrepancy between the color of my face and the color of my chest is kind of absurd. I'm glad I saw the picture of woman #3 because it will keep my covering my face regardless of the absurdity.
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Mmmmkay (gellin' and Jezebelin)
03/18/09

@Birthday Girl: I used to feel the same way and was addicted to tanning - I was blond and grew up in OC so a golden glow was expected. Then I dyed my hair brown and now I embrace my paleness! I just had to find a new/different model for what is beautiful. If you want to tan at least use the fake stuff - maybe Lohan's new line?! Don't fry in those beds, its not good! And pale can be pretty, I promise! :)
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veronykah
03/18/09

@Birthday Girl: I'm with you. I love tanning. I quit going to tanning beds but lay out whenever I get the chance.

I seriously moved from NYC back to SoCal so I could go to the beach, no joke.

Nothing makes me feel better than napping in the sun, swimming then taking a nice cool shower.

I laid out today.

I always say I hope I never get skin cancer because the prospect of not going out in the sun would kill me.

I try to look on the bright side and take into consideration they always say that the most damage to your skin happens before you turn 18, I lived in extreme northern MN and barely saw the sun til I was 21 and moved to SoCal...

I'm 30 and can definitely pass for 24...
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JessicaLovejoy: Laughing, riding, cornholing!
03/18/09

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