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Hillary Clinton To Be (Or Not To Be) Secretary Of State?

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shahrazad
11/14/08

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What did Richardson do that is so bad? His diplomacy credentials are unmatched. Plus, he flew to Sudan and rescued some dudes.
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Saltine
11/14/08

@shahrazad: Well I like the guy but he's scandal prone. He has a worse zipper problem than clinton and is known for it. I dont think that should matter, but for some reason it does. Plus its his whole Energy Secretary past
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eatsshootsleaves
11/14/08

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I'm sort of mystified to why all of you want to see Hillary Clinton in charge of health care. I'm sure she'd do a great job at it, absolutely, but I find it hard to believe that she is the only person in the senate who would be able to get shit done. It seems pretty clear that we're likely to get quality health care reform whether or not she's in charge of it -- or if the Obama administration pussies out and we don't get it, there's nothing HRC can do about it.

It seems like the reason you guys want her to be in charge of it is so she can get credit for that accomplishment, and I understand that to some degree, but I care more about the actual passage of good universal health care (like the Baucus bill), not who gets credit for it.

On the other hand, she is probably the best possibility for Secretary of State, period.
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jigglyball
11/14/08

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I support Susan Rice because I want to continue to have a high-ranking public official share my last name. Clearly, I'm strong on the issues.
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jgh
11/14/08

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WTF does "technically Latino" mean?
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HereComesMyBaby
11/14/08

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Oh, you know, these "small" things that Condi did, helping promote "microfinance grants for women in developing countries and her efforts to get rape made a war crime at the UN." You know, small things.
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SinisterRouge
11/14/08

@HereComesMyBaby: Well she is just a WOMAN for fuck's sake.
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Lizawithazee
11/14/08

@HereComesMyBaby: That's a good thing. Love the microfinance.

But that's as far as I'll go with the idea that Rice has been a good SOS. Due in no small part to her boss's assitude.
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Grim Reaper of the Forest
11/14/08

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Not to trivialize female politicians, but she is so pretty in that picture.
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SinisterRouge
11/14/08

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Why are some people so adamant about not having Hillary anywhere near Obama's administration? Why does Spencer assume that they'd be back-biting and betrayal???? HAS SHE NOT SHOWN HER LOYALTY to Obama yet? Did she undercut him during the GE? NO. She has been nothing but loyal to him and his needs. Which is awesome.

But I am disgusted by the knee-jerk reaction in some circles :" NO SHE'S STILL bad." And the passive-aggressive form of "She'd be sooo much better where she is (keep the little woman right where she is please!)" is just fucking annoying.
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stacyinbean
11/14/08

@SinisterRouge: So are you saying you'd prefer her as Sec. of State? I don't think I really have an opinion either way, I just want her voice to be heard.

Question to Megan or anyone else who knows, if she did Sec. of State for Obama's administration, could she go back to the Senate again afterward?
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Ratinski
11/14/08

@SinisterRouge: I really don't get it. And I don't get how they're guaranteed to clash. I mean yes, obviously, they disagree on some issues, but really? Ideologically they aren't that far apart. I had a tough time, in fact, deciding between the two of them in the primary.

I want her to be SoS. She'd be so awesome at it. But if not, she'll also continue to be awesome as the senator from New York.
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SinisterRouge
11/14/08

@stacyinbean: Not necessarily. It's the reasoning behind why she shouldn't be that I have issue with. She'd be an excellent choice for OBAMA. I don't know if it'd be the best choice for her. But it's the knee-jerk "she'd backbite him!" that I hate.
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Jamie Sommers
11/14/08

@SinisterRouge: I don't think it's her. It's him. He-who-shall-not-be-named is an albatross around Hillary's neck.
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Too Hot For TNR
11/14/08

@SinisterRouge: It's a fair point, and I accept the criticism. What I should have said, and what I put on Attackerman after some reflection, was that the larger problem is the coterie of near-pathological backbiters around HRC that think they know what's good for her but end up undermining.
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SinisterRouge
11/14/08

@Jamie Sommers: I agree to some extent but I think Hillary is independent and would tell Bill to go to hell if she had to.
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SinisterRouge
11/14/08

@Too Hot For TNR: Thank you. And I agree with you on that. I want her to cut the chaff from the people around her.
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NOLA girl
11/14/08

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Spencer, for wine go see my friend Ben at the Wine Seller on Prytania. There's a tasting tonight!
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southernbitch
11/14/08

@NOLA girl: swirl on ponce does tastings every friday, as well.

hell, if you know where to go in the city, you can drink for free pretty easily.
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NOLA girl
11/14/08

@southernbitch: I've never been to Swirl. I'll have to check it out.
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Too Hot For TNR
11/14/08

@NOLA girl: Done.
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SarahMC
11/14/08

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I could certainly be convinced that Sec of State is the right job for Hills, but it does seem a bit strange that women are frequently put in that position, when they have relatively little power in our government. And, Hillary is practically the only person in Congress who really gives a damn about women's rights, particularly reproductive freeom. She's already a lone voice in that respect, and I'd hate for us to have NOONE.
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eatsshootsleaves
11/14/08

@SarahMC: Women are frequently put in that position? And by frequently you mean Rice and Albright and that's it?
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fattiefatty2by4
11/14/08

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Am I alone in my Bill Richardson love?
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Jamie Sommers
11/14/08

@fattiefatty2by4: Not at all!
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SinisterRouge
11/14/08

@fattiefatty2by4: Yes. He's dumber than a shoe.
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morninggloria
11/14/08

@fattiefatty2by4: No, because I sort of love him too. It's the baseball cards.
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eatsshootsleaves
11/14/08

@SinisterRouge: I like him, but I don't want him to be Secretary of State. He kind of sucked as Energy Secretary, didn't he?
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winchesterwolcott
11/14/08

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I just want to say that I am from illinoise and I hate Blago. That is all. I feel better now.
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morninggloria
11/14/08

@winchesterwolcott: Oh, yes, he's terrible from his terrible molded plastic hair to his terrible shoes. I can't wait to vote against him. I'm a huge Democrat, but I'll vote Republican, so help me!
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Jamie Sommers
11/14/08

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Never use your phone for voice communication.

Oh Spencer. When you say things like that, you make me think I might love you.
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RoseColette (fewer thorns; more coffee)
11/14/08

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Hillary can do more as a Senator and here's hoping she ends up Majority Leader. The thought BillBob dogging her SecState heels made the last swallow of coffee seek a return engagement.
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Grim Reaper of the Forest
11/14/08

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Do people in NY have a sense of whether Clinton would be able to pull off Senator-for-life status? It seems a lot of Senators hold onto their seats for decades but I wonder if a re-election bid seems like no big deal or a potential roadblock to her.
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Megan
11/14/08

@treecut just Baracked the Vote!: She won every county in the state in 2006 but one. She's in forever if she wants to be, and is more popular in NY than ever.
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sarah.of.a.lesser.god (aka Mrs. BrutallyHonestHobbit)
11/14/08

@treecut just Baracked the Vote!: I cannot imagine my fellow New Yorkers voting her out. Something politically catastrophic would have to occur.
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bowleserised
11/14/08

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What has a woman's marital status got to do with her ability to be Secretary of State FFS?
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pandorasmittens
11/14/08

@bowleserised: As we have already seen this election cycle, women with families make better politicians, as they "aren't afraid to show" their femininity. Just look at the shining example set by a certain Alaskan governor.
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bowleserised
11/14/08

@pandorasmittens: So right! She probably enjoys sex more than Condie too!
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pandorasmittens
11/14/08

@bowleserised: Oh and thank heaven that she won't be "married to her job". Because if I were SoS I would NEVER want to spend an extensive amount of time performing my duties.

Not knocking working mothers, just pointing out the general "huh?' factor of that quote.
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morninggloria
11/14/08

@bowleserised: If she's not married, she will fuck America's husbands, one by one.
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Grim Reaper of the Forest
11/14/08

@morninggloria: That does show a certain dedication to the job.
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