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snugbug
10/05/09

In reply to Hollywood Heavy Nikki Finke: Victim Of Misogyny, And Misogynist Extraordinaire
"Her detractors aside, Finke does appear to be a powerful Hollywood presence."

OK, right there: That's a statement that betrays a profoundly uneducated approach to the workings of the Hollywood Industrial Media Complex and Nikki Finke's established role in it. Also proof of lack of acquaintance, historically, with the whole sordid/brass-balls biz of Hollywood gossiping, in the Louella Parsons and Hedda Hopper tradition.

Bonus points for this piece quoting reformed crack addict David Carr who skipped on his kids' child support, to bolster the "Nikki is evil" thesis.

Yeah, potty-mouthed Finke is certainly the villain here. For being an eccentric lady who goes after the big boys. Barf.

I don't even like her all that much. But this kind of harebrained character assassination is lame.
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brassinpocket
10/05/09

In reply to Hollywood Heavy Nikki Finke: Victim Of Misogyny, And Misogynist Extraordinaire
Relationships are matters of dominance and submission, in Hollywood and everywhere else. If you don't like submitting, you'll just have to dominate. I will now press the "submit" button.
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GatsbysLover
10/05/09

In reply to Hollywood Heavy Nikki Finke: Victim Of Misogyny, And Misogynist Extraordinaire
She's like the Rita Skeeter of Hollywood.
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LuvEwan
10/05/09

In reply to Hollywood Heavy Nikki Finke: Victim Of Misogyny, And Misogynist Extraordinaire
On Friday, one of my employees talked about 'sweating his balls off' in front of me and two (female, not that it matters, really) co-workers. I told him then and there that it was inappropriate, and that conversation ended before it went a word further. I know I just work at a lowly shoe store, but I don't stand for that kind of talk when I'm around.

To me, that feels like power, Nikki Finke.
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jebash
10/05/09

@LuvEwan: I think there's a difference between a common expression like "sweating my balls off" (which I have been known to say myself), and using homophobic or misogynist language.
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jebash
10/05/09

@LuvEwan: That being said, I respect anyone's decision to stand up for themselves if they feel uncomfortable.
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Leucadia
10/05/09

@LuvEwan: I use the expression "hot as balls" a lot. It doesn't even make much sense (balls hang low so they can keep cooler than body temperature!) but it just flows off my tongue easily. I do believe that language matters, but balls seem pretty inoccuous to me.
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LuvEwan
10/05/09

@Leucadia: So if I would've said I was sweating my vagina off, it would have been alright? I didn't realize references to genitals was appropriate in a work environment.
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Aesop's Foibles. YES.
10/05/09

In reply to Hollywood Heavy Nikki Finke: Victim Of Misogyny, And Misogynist Extraordinaire
I'm sorry, but spewing foul, offensive language while ridiculing certain groups of people does not make anyone-female or male-come off as powerful or progressive. It makes you sound like an asshole who is trying way too hard to be accepted into another group of assholes. Finke's style reminds me of that Wetlands woman who wrote those disgusting stories and tried to pass herself off as a woman subverting gender stereotypes, when really she came off as a shock-monger. There is nothing less appealing than someone degrading themselves/others in an attempt to fit in or stand out. Maybe Finke is really talented, I don't know. But these little snippets could not have made me less interested in finding out.
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greengrey
10/05/09

@Aesop's Foibles. YES.: You said what I wanted to say. These people give ass holes a bad name. Ass holes ARE ass holes, but some are funny/quick/original. I can put up with those. It's the unoriginal "frat boy" wannabe ass holes that I can't tolerate. They try to hard, and it's sad.
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Anna N.
10/05/09

@greengrey: I do think there's a big difference between, say, cursing a lot, and cursing a lot in a way that's misogynist/homophobic/assaultive.
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greengrey
10/05/09

@Anna N.: Totally. Major difference between "this job is fucking ridiculous" and "fuck my fucking boss".
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harperleebowitz
10/05/09

In reply to Hollywood Heavy Nikki Finke: Victim Of Misogyny, And Misogynist Extraordinaire
Nice Jaime Hernandez drawing!
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magnets
10/05/09

@harperleebowitz: For reals! If I were the Finkester I'd replace that ancient headshot with that illustration
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SarahMC
10/05/09

In reply to Hollywood Heavy Nikki Finke: Victim Of Misogyny, And Misogynist Extraordinaire
These people seem important.
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Perhaps Not
10/05/09

@SarahMC: +1. Perhaps they'll tell us why we should care so much about them.
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nyc-caribbean-ragazza
10/05/09

In reply to Hollywood Heavy Nikki Finke: Victim Of Misogyny, And Misogynist Extraordinaire
That's how people talk in Hollywood.
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theonlybirdleftintheaviary
10/05/09

@nyc-caribbean-ragazza: That is a sweeping generalization. I work in the entertainment industry - and while there are some that sink to the level of Ms. Finke- not all of us employ derogatory, sexist and homophobic language. At least not those of us who want to be taken seriously/be respected.
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nyc-caribbean-ragazza
10/05/09

@theonlybirdleftintheaviary:

I've been in it for over 10 years and I'm still shocked by how people talk to and with each other, (and I'm not even an agent).

And would like to add that many also employ racist language, but if you complain of course you're, you know, difficult or uptight.
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theonlybirdleftintheaviary
10/08/09

@nyc-caribbean-ragazza: True dat. Or "too sensitive".
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CurtCole
10/05/09

In reply to Hollywood Heavy Nikki Finke: Victim Of Misogyny, And Misogynist Extraordinaire
This is essentially why I stopped reading her blog. I wish people would learn how to talk shit without getting all misogynistic and homophobic.
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bluebears
10/05/09

@CurtCole: I know. It's pathetic, and you know all the misogynist and homophobic comments in the world will never really get her entree into the"boys club." She'll always be a woman to the very assholes she hopes to impress.
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Sev
10/05/09

@bluebears: "She'll always be a woman to the very assholes she hopes to impress."

Is she supposed to be something else?

I'm not defending her in any way, but, we're always going to be women to anyone and everyone we come in contact with. What's wrong with that? Should we be striving to be something else?
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bluebears
10/05/09

@Sev: Because, maybe I'm wrong, but she seems to be adopting the very anti-feminist and anti-gay rhetoric of the powers that be, who are all men. Maybe she's doing it cause she really really likes it, I guess its a possibility, but more likely she's doing it in an attempt to be, "alpha" and be seen as one of the guys.
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odinsraven
10/05/09

@CurtCole: Rather than her trucker language making her look like one of the boys, I've always found it to come across as very personal and petty. And despite her frequent protestations, not every decision in corporate Hollywood is based on some vengeful quid pro quo because someone got their feelings hurt. I think she's projecting too much. I also think she subscribes to the theory that any attention, even if it's negative, means she's important.

But dammit, she gets some amazing scoops.
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CurtCole
10/05/09

@bluebears: YES.
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desertbloom79
10/05/09

@bluebears: This is the crux of the problem. She probably felt she had to make herself act like one of the guys in order to get ahead and get noticed, and it seems to have worked in some ways. But then at the end of the day she still is just "tits and an ass" to those guys- not an equal colleague who happens to be female. No amount of crass, misogynistic slurs is going to make her one of the boys. She is a female. Pretending otherwise just exacerbates the problems. She isn't improving the situation for herself or for other women who will come after her.
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PaintedTrollop
10/05/09

@bluebears: Yup. And she'll never, ever be one of them - so adopting their schtick is really kind of sad. She might as well stay home and try to grow a penis.
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jrhys
09/26/09

In reply to "A Mild Jerk Or A Total Jerk": Vogue Writer Contacts, Disses His Exes
Breaking news from the "these two jerks deserve each other desk", from Hesser's website: " Amanda now lives with Mr. Latte in Brooklyn with their twin son and daughter, who by age 2 had eaten both pigeon and uni, whether they liked it or not...She would rather eat nothing than scarf down something on the run. "
[www.food52.com]
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mariamariamaria
09/26/09

In reply to "A Mild Jerk Or A Total Jerk": Vogue Writer Contacts, Disses His Exes
Example 8,000,012 on why you should not know personal things about authors whose work you like - the douchery could overcome any pleasure the work gives you. Since I like Friend's writing I will abstain from reading this in October's Vogue.
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AlmostDream
09/25/09

In reply to "A Mild Jerk Or A Total Jerk": Vogue Writer Contacts, Disses His Exes
There's something incredibly amusing to me about men who are completely deluded about their sexual abilities. Apparently this lovely man thinks sleeping with Kerry 8 times (though I'm inclined to believe it was closer to the 2 she remembers) makes him a very important person in her life. And having her say otherwise is so earth-shattering that he has to ramble about how she wasn't that hot anyway for another few paragraphs before he can feel secure again.

And yet women are the ones who are too emotional about sex...
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clevernamehere
09/25/09

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Why do women's magazines publish these articles? I can't imagine Maxim or even Esquire publishing a piece about a woman looking up all her ex boyfriends.
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labratintraining
09/25/09

@clevernamehere: Because apparently, deep down inside, we're all so insecure that we need to know how our ex-boyfriends view us. Except the irony is that it isn't our insecurities on display here, is it.
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HereComesMyBaby
09/25/09

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Bah. Tad Friend is the worst name ever!
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krismry
09/25/09

@HereComesMyBaby: Double worst, especially when you consider his awful sobriquet, or stable name, could be pronounced Tattles. Someone who Tattles on Friends we do not need, but his book does sound rather more irresistible than this goofy magazine piece.
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Blueberry26
09/25/09

In reply to "A Mild Jerk Or A Total Jerk": Vogue Writer Contacts, Disses His Exes
I don't understand why exes who did not choose to maintain a friendship after the break try to talk to each other later. Your lives have diverged, it's over, and you're probably different people. MOVE ON WITH YOUR DAMN LIFE.

This Kanye style rant brought to you by tools like this (and my own experiences).

Explain: Two of my more serious exes keep trying to talk to me. It's been years since I've seen or spoken to either, and I'm in a happy, monogamous, long-term relationship. They both broke up with me. I know one insists that this disinterest in "being friends" is because I'm still upset, but I'm not. I was 16 back then, I've grown up and moved on. Please stop trying to talking to me.

Good thing it's Friday, otherwise all these posts would be making me really crabby.
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freckles
09/25/09

@Blueberry26: Some people can't let go of the past. I tend to not worry about their lack of ability to do so by not talking to them. I think you're right on target. And you're in a happy relationship! Why would you need them?
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veronykah
09/25/09

@Blueberry26: OMG I have the same problem. An ex that I lived with for 4 years but haven't spoken to in over 2 years just texted me a few weeks ago and messages me in some way every so often. I read it and was like WTF! Can't you leave me alone? Ever?
I think he thinks I'm still hurt or angry or something. He doesn't realize, despite NO CONTACT FOR OVER 2 YEARS, I couldn't really care too much less about him or desire to see him less than I already do.
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littlemisslondon
09/25/09

@Blueberry26: My ex from when I was 16 recently contacted me on Facebook. It was nice to hear from him and all, and we exchanged a couple of nice messages, but after a while I didn't really have much else to talk to him about. I mean, that was over 10 years ago, I'm married and have a 3-week-old daughter, he's single and playing the field. What more is there to say other than "Hi, nice to see you're still alive, have fun with that"?
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