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    It Still Doesn't Get Worse Than Insulting A Guy's Mom

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    Image of Little Green Frog (Wise Latina) Little Green Frog (Wise Latina)
    03/13/09

    In reply to It Still Doesn't Get Worse Than Insulting A Guy's Mom
    Interesting topic. In Mexico, "motherfucker" is the equivalent of "hijo de la chingada", which is also an insult to the mother, and came from the fact that Aztec women kept getting raped by Spaniards or became their mistresses and the kids born from that.


    [en.wikipedia.org]

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    Image of arodriguez.romero arodriguez.romero
    03/13/09

    @Little Green Frog: ! more info please!


    So do they say me cao en diez in Mexico or is it a Spain/Cuba thing?

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    03/13/09

    @Little Green Frog: more info about the aztec/maya/spain mash-up that produced mexican cussing , I mean
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    Image of Little Green Frog (Wise Latina) Little Green Frog (Wise Latina)
    03/13/09

    @arodriguez.romero: Must be a Spain/Cuba thing.
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    03/13/09

    @arodriguez.romero: Well, I guess the Wiki page is not very detailed, huh?

    You think you could google "chingada" and "Malinche", 'cause I don't have time to translate the multiple books and info that have been written about it in Mexico :-)
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    03/13/09

    @arodriguez.romero: You know what? I googled "The Sons of La Malinche", and got this:


    www.mona.uwi.edu/liteng/courses/e29a/documents/sonso%20malinche.rtf


    Check it out. It may be more information than you need.

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    03/13/09

    @Little Green Frog: heh yeah I guess I don't need it I just find it interesting!


    The Malinche aspect of Mexican history is a big hole in my knowledge. So that it ties into "chingada" is news to me.

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    Image of rumpelshowsskin rumpelshowsskin
    03/13/09

    In reply to It Still Doesn't Get Worse Than Insulting A Guy's Mom
    The worst insult I know is from my father's language and it is seriously the WORST I have ever heard. It literally goes "I have just taken a shit inside your mouth. Now swallow it!"


    What more can I say? My people know how to win a fight.

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    03/13/09

    @rumpelshowsskin: ok so what language/country/culture is that?!?
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    Image of BillyPilgrimisnotmylover BillyPilgrimisnotmylover
    03/13/09

    In reply to It Still Doesn't Get Worse Than Insulting A Guy's Mom
    While we are drawing from comedians to discuss insults, I have to say mention the truly horrifying thing I learned from Russell Brand's recent special. He could have made this up for all I know, but it struck me a plausible. Apparently, in England some teenage boys engage in "Seagulling"- Jerk off in their hands and then throw it at some unsuspecting victim.

    Now, I believe in pacifism and the referenced court case from the previous century about "motherfucker" mitigated manslaughter seems very far from me, but I must admit that if I was subjected to "seagulling" I can see losing my ever-loving mind and *needing* to respond with violence.


    Agree/disagree? Can you think of another contemporary situation that you would mitigate violence like that?

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    Image of Hana Maru Hana Maru
    03/13/09

    @BillyPilgrimisnotmylover: That's horrific. Yikes.
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    Image of par3 par3
    03/13/09

    In reply to It Still Doesn't Get Worse Than Insulting A Guy's Mom
    it's even grander said in croatian: jebem ti mater...which actually flips the script and means: i fuck your mother!

    or another version is 'jebem ti pas mater'...

    which is i fuck the dog that is your mother.


    idk is that more offensive than the incestuous version?

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    Image of Jello Mix Jello Mix
    03/13/09

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    According to the delightful book "the F Word" --which devotes a full twelve pages to motherfuckers and variations thereof- being called a motherfucker is not always an insult. It can also be a compliment, especially in the military where it often means a formidable person.


    Other less positive examples from the military vernacular are "beans and motherfuckers" (a C-ration of lima beans and ham) and "bends and motherfuckers" (squats and thrusts).

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    Image of arodriguez.romero arodriguez.romero
    03/13/09

    In reply to It Still Doesn't Get Worse Than Insulting A Guy's Mom
    whatever your target believes in most, that's the best place to find an insult.


    Any thoughts from my paisanos about:

    Me cao en diez? (not gonna write it - someone else can)

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    Image of AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope
    03/13/09

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    I know it was a typo, but I love it:

    probably play on some deep-help Madonna perceptions as well, adding sacrilege to the mix.


    Yes, Madonna does need deep help, especially given the Oedipus implications.

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    Image of SomeAuthorGirl SomeAuthorGirl
    03/13/09

    In reply to It Still Doesn't Get Worse Than Insulting A Guy's Mom
    Professionally, I had to tone my language waaaaaaaay down very early on. I don't swear in my professional guise, but I was never taught that Swearing Is Bad, therefore I have the oft-mentioned Sailor Mouth.


    There was once a man I was interested in, who was interested in me, who just about threw up and died when I semi-drunkenly referred to someone as a douchebag motherfucker in front of him. Again, since I wasn't raised right it's as simple to me to call someone that as it is to call someone a meanie.


    The next man to win my heart will, upon hearing me call someone a douchebag motherfucker, promptly fall down on one knee and proclaim that he's been waiting for me his whole life.

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    Image of littlemissvan littlemissvan
    03/13/09

    @SomeAuthorGirl: I have had similar experiences, and I can't help but think that if a man cannot handle me calling some tool a douche, he is not the man for me!
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    03/13/09

    @littlemissvan: Amen to that.
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    Image of thieveryattackedvaughan thieveryattackedvaughan
    03/13/09

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    I get a kick when folks say every cuss word in the book but stop short of actually saying motherfucker:
    "Damn, did you see the crazy shit that MOFO did?"
    "Fuck that noise. I'm gonna open up a fuckin can of whoop ass on that MOFO."
    "Shit. Fuck that goddamn MOFO!"


    It's like, there's this cussword line in the sand and they just won't cross that MOFO.

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    Image of greengrey greengrey
    03/13/09

    @thieveryattackedvaughan: I hate when people say "mofo" or replace fuck with something stupid. Do it right, or don't do it.
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    Image of AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope
    03/13/09

    @greengrey: Exactly! If you're going to use the F-word, GO FOR THE GOLD.
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    Image of tscheese tscheese
    03/13/09

    In reply to It Still Doesn't Get Worse Than Insulting A Guy's Mom
    I have also called someone an "ass-lint smelly butt-crenellation."
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    03/13/09

    @tscheese: I may have to steal that, but because I am so naturally crude I must modify it to "ass-lint smelly motherfucker."
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    Image of Rare Affinity Rare Affinity
    03/13/09

    In reply to It Still Doesn't Get Worse Than Insulting A Guy's Mom
    Perhaps there is "no daddy issue" with regard to insults because in the past you could not be certain that the man claiming to be your father really was.
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    Image of Kali Mama Kali Mama
    03/13/09

    @Rare Affinity: References to cuckoldry abound.
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    Image of Fizzy77 Fizzy77
    03/13/09

    In reply to It Still Doesn't Get Worse Than Insulting A Guy's Mom
    I like how Bernie says "son of a bitch".


    Summa ma betch.


    I say that all the time, but I think I come off sounding a little peculiar.

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    Image of LaComtesse LaComtesse
    03/13/09

    @Fizzy77: My grandma's Italian nonna was apparently famous for only knowing that English phrase and she pronounced it "Sona mum beesh!"
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    Image of LaComtesse LaComtesse
    03/13/09

    In reply to It Still Doesn't Get Worse Than Insulting A Guy's Mom
    Is there any way to insult a man that does not somehow bring it back to femininity or womanhood. You're a son of a BITCH, a MOTHERfucker, a bastard (bringing your mom's "virtue" into play), etc. Then there's all the gay ones-faggot, queer, cocksucker-which of course play on one's gender role.


    Asshole is unisex.


    I guess this leaves us with "dick." Any others I'm missing?

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    Image of Jessi Ramsey Jessi Ramsey
    03/13/09

    @LaComtesse: "pussy"
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    Image of Jessi Ramsey Jessi Ramsey
    03/13/09

    @LaComtesse:Oh and "douche"
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    Image of hello.kitty hello.kitty
    03/13/09

    @LaComtesse: Bastard.
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    Image of Jessi Ramsey Jessi Ramsey
    03/13/09

    @Jessi Ramsey:@LaComtesse: to add to your list of feminine insults.
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    Image of LaComtesse LaComtesse
    03/13/09

    @Jessi Ramsey: That brings femininity into it; I mean are JUST insulting to men that DON'T involve some sort of womanly or 'unmasculine' (default: female) reference?


    @greengrey: Yeah, jerk is totally anemic, but I'd forgotten "prick." Nice.

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    Image of Gabberdoo Gabberdoo
    03/13/09

    @LaComtesse: I always like shmuck
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    Image of greengrey greengrey
    03/13/09

    @LaComtesse: Insults based on class? Redneck? White trash? Human filth?
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    03/13/09

    @Gabberdoo: @tiny_danza: So I guess what we've established is the only insult that is exclusively male is variations on "penis." Interesting...
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    03/13/09

    @greengrey: I feel those are all still unisex, though.
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    Image of AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope
    03/13/09

    @Gabberdoo: Schmuck is lovely, but it loses its oomph when you have to explain what it really means, which I routinely need to do.
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    Image of Triana Orpheus Triana Orpheus
    03/13/09

    @LaComtesse: I like "dick mole" as in "More suspicious than a dick mole." Limp dick, tootsie roll dick, all of the insult to manhood dick jokes. Scrub, broke ass, good-for-nothing gutter trash, fucking mouth breather, yeah, they're out there.
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    Image of LaComtesse LaComtesse
    03/13/09

    @trianaorpheus: Scrub, broke ass, good-for-nothing gutter trash, fucking mouth breather are all unisex, though.
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    Image of cirocco cirocco
    03/13/09

    @LaComtesse: You can raise the ante on "dick" by making it "needledick." Needledick, in my experience, is one of the few insults that can rankle guys as much as "bitch" rankles women.
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    03/13/09

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    scatology? the study of poop?
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    Image of tscheese tscheese
    03/13/09

    In reply to It Still Doesn't Get Worse Than Insulting A Guy's Mom
    I also say things like "douchepenis cocklicense."
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    Image of Spaceman Bill Leah Spaceman Bill Leah
    03/13/09

    @tscheese: Ooooh I LOVE making up swear phrases. My vocabulary is half trucker/half 50's housewife.


    So pretty much I am Eliott on Scrubs.

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    Image of hydrogen_jukebox hydrogen_jukebox
    03/13/09

    @Spaceman Bill Leah: Zombie Fighting Dinosaur: FRICK!
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