t - Jezebel

posts about #t more →
New School For Orthodox Jewish Women Opens, But Will They Be Rabbis?
Baby Phat Fall 2009: Don't Worry, Be Happy
Fashion Don'ts

Your version of Internet Explorer is not supported. Please upgrade to the most recent version in order to view comments.

Dsmvwl Admin Promote to frontpage Approve user Ban user ×

JustYafi
05/15/09

In reply to New School For Orthodox Jewish Women Opens, But Will They Be Rabbis?
my sister is in israel right now in a very intensive learning program for girls that results in a masters degree in talmud, basically the female equivalent to becoming a rabbi. she is really smart and i think its amazing that otrhodox jews are beginning to recognize that women can do this job as well. of course progress is all relative and we still have a ways to go
Reply

JustYafi was starred JustYafi was unstarred

deitybox
05/16/09

@JustYafi: Awesome. Is the program at Matan?
Reply

deitybox was starred deitybox was unstarred

JustYafi
05/16/09

@deitybox: yes it is!
Reply

JustYafi was starred JustYafi was unstarred

deitybox
05/17/09

@JustYafi: I write grants for them. They're amazing.
Reply

deitybox was starred deitybox was unstarred

Mama Penguino
05/15/09

In reply to New School For Orthodox Jewish Women Opens, But Will They Be Rabbis?
Lovely thought on Shabbat!
Reply

Mama Penguino was starred Mama Penguino was unstarred

MyrtleWilloughby
05/15/09

In reply to New School For Orthodox Jewish Women Opens, But Will They Be Rabbis?
Mazel tov! A female friend was conflicted about pursuing a career in the clergy as an Orthadox Jew. The Reform and Reconstructionist movements have been ordaining women for years, but since spiritual beliefs like political opinions don't always fall within the clear party lines this is a step forward for Orthodox ladies.
Reply

MyrtleWilloughby was starred MyrtleWilloughby was unstarred

BeckySharper
05/15/09

@MyrtleWilloughby: As a Reform Jew, I always get a little frustrated with my Orthodox sisters because I think they should just say "fuck it" and move over to one of the denominations that DOES give full equity to women. But you're right, women who have Orthodox beliefs shouldn't be force to choose if they don't have to.
Reply

BeckySharper was starred BeckySharper was unstarred

BeckySharper
05/15/09

In reply to New School For Orthodox Jewish Women Opens, But Will They Be Rabbis?
This is great. History has proven that once women get their foot in the door, they kick it wide open pretty quickly.

All that's required for a woman to become a rabbi is for a rabbi within the Orthodox movement to ordain her. I've been told by several Orthodox leaders that this is likely to happen within the next 5-10 years. Once it does, there will be no going back.
Reply

BeckySharper was starred BeckySharper was unstarred

deitybox
05/16/09

@BeckySharper: My husband is getting ordained this month, and immediately after is going to turn around and ordain me. So boo-yah to the fuckers.
Reply

deitybox was starred deitybox was unstarred

lilad
05/15/09

In reply to New School For Orthodox Jewish Women Opens, But Will They Be Rabbis?
...If it's part of the religion that women can't be rabbis, then why would a woman want to became a rabbi? I don't know anything about the Jewish religion, but in general isn't that simply contradictory?
Reply

lilad was starred lilad was unstarred

baraqiel
05/15/09

@lilad: It's not part of the religion that women can't be rabbis. Women can be rabbis in every denomination except Orthodoxy.
Reply

baraqiel was starred baraqiel was unstarred

Laulau
05/15/09

@lilad: I more generally don't get why someone would want to be part of a tradition that discriminates against them (particularly a tradition as static as Orthodox Judaism) - witness my confusion over the documentary "Trembling before G-d" on gay and lesbian Orthodox. But obviously, for some, being a part of that particular sect is part of their self-understanding, as is their sexual orientation or a commitment to female equality.
Reply

Laulau was starred Laulau was unstarred

deeemer
05/15/09

@Laulau: Not everything in the Jewish religion is as depicted in the film, "Trembling Before God". That movie was sad, and when it came out, nearly the entire orthodox jewish community went to go see it. And all were affected by it, and I really think it's changed opinions and the way we deal with homosexuality. And that's a good thing.

And while orthodoxy is more "static" or traditional than other sects ofJudaism, it evolves as well. And until the last couple of decades, Orthodoxy was actually very progressive toward women and their rights. Women were always schooled, given marital contracts that guaranteed their rights in marriage (or the husband was called into court), and women were encouraged to work outside the home.

Lately, there's this weird movement that seems to be fearful of sexuality, and it's caused some problems in the field. Separation between the sexes, curtailing of public photos, etc. Really weird stuff that most people don't subscribe to. Of course, the only ones that get attention are the fanatics, so that's mostly what everyone knows.
Reply

deeemer was starred deeemer was unstarred

Laulau
05/15/09

@deeemer: I was actually with a man from an Orthodox family for five years, so I've seen a fair amount of a couple of communities up close and personal. Almost every person I met was totally lovely, polite to all, and thoughtful, but you can't change the fact that there are certain religious laws. I definitely get the sense that there's a weird tension with homosexuality for the modern Orthodox, just as there is with respect to women's roles: we're talking about educated, loving people, but who nonetheless accept the moral authority of ancient texts and Rabbinical interpretation.

And I'll totally admit that Judaism is more woman-friendly than a lot of other religions, but that doesn't mean there aren't weird bits of misogyny codified into the laws.
Reply

Laulau was starred Laulau was unstarred

deeemer
05/15/09

In reply to New School For Orthodox Jewish Women Opens, But Will They Be Rabbis?
And this isn't the only steps. In Israel, there's been this wave of women who are trained in the laws of niddah, so that women can ask personal questions of women, and not rabbis.

So exciting! Hooray for progress!
Reply

deeemer was starred deeemer was unstarred

deitybox
05/16/09

@deeemer: If anyone's interested, the link to that program is www.yoatzot.org.

Although to be honest, as a woman who keeps the laws of niddah (Jewish family purity), the women trained in this program can be a pain in the ass, because they're much more stringent in interpreting Jewish law than some of their male counterparts, as if they have something to prove.
Reply

deitybox was starred deitybox was unstarred

deeemer
05/15/09

In reply to New School For Orthodox Jewish Women Opens, But Will They Be Rabbis?
I'm not even sure why the term "Rabbi" is so revered. Half the people are know are called that, and it means nothing. They don't get any additional respect.

A woman who's the principal of elementary school gets more respect than just some Joe Shmoe who earns his rabbinate.
Reply

deeemer was starred deeemer was unstarred

baraqiel
05/15/09

@deeemer: Yeah, unless you have a congregation to lead, it doesn't mean a ton any more.
Reply

baraqiel was starred baraqiel was unstarred

save jinger
05/15/09

In reply to New School For Orthodox Jewish Women Opens, But Will They Be Rabbis?
Progress happens slowly. Let's celebrate the small steps and hope they someday add up to giant leaps.
Reply

save jinger was starred save jinger was unstarred

save jinger
05/15/09

@save jinger: Why do I sound like a fucking Hallmark card all of a sudden?
Reply

save jinger was starred save jinger was unstarred

OhKermie
05/15/09

@save jinger: One that would play "We are the World" and embarrass you in the aisle.
Reply

OhKermie was starred OhKermie was unstarred

save jinger
05/15/09

@OhKermie: Oh, I hate those! I sent my mom one with a talking Office quote for Mother's Day, but I didn't even listen to it first because those cards embarrass me.
Reply

save jinger was starred save jinger was unstarred

save jinger
05/15/09

@save jinger: And now this is a total threadjack. Sorry, hortense!
Reply

save jinger was starred save jinger was unstarred

dirtybee
02/18/09

In reply to Baby Phat Fall 2009: Don't Worry, Be Happy
I'm surprised no one tripped over Coco's bodacious bosom.
Reply

dirtybee was starred dirtybee was unstarred

marshmallory
02/18/09

In reply to Baby Phat Fall 2009: Don't Worry, Be Happy
A gift certificate for laser hair removal? What is Kimora trying to tell her guests?

Whitney is giving pretty good face in that picture. Neck down, not so hawt.

And daughter on the left looks EXACTLY like a mini Russell Simmons with pigtails.
Reply

marshmallory was starred marshmallory was unstarred

t-yo3
02/18/09

@marshmallory: I thought exactly the same about Litte Miss Simmons on the left, she looks just like her daddy.
Reply

t-yo3 was starred t-yo3 was unstarred

tscheese
02/18/09

In reply to Baby Phat Fall 2009: Don't Worry, Be Happy
My favorite outfits are on the two daughters! They look, what, seven-ish? Eight-ish? I would have SWOONED over outfits like that when I was that age.
Reply

tscheese was starred tscheese was unstarred

MizJenkins
02/18/09

In reply to Baby Phat Fall 2009: Don't Worry, Be Happy
Points awarded:
2 - Adorable bebehs
3 - Hot mens
10 - Diverse models
10 - Cuckoo crazyhot pantsuit
25 - white coat

Points deducted:
1 - Uninspired use of lace
5 - Flapper/Biker chick undergarment
5 - Stop with the necklaces already
15 - Hideously tacky use of faux fur
100 - SHOOTIES?!!
Reply

MizJenkins was starred MizJenkins was unstarred

Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.
02/18/09

@MizJenkins: Wait, she should get 50 points for Dijmon. You can't lump him in with "Hot Mens" He is too hot.
Reply

MizJenkins
02/18/09

@Vivelafat is the Quizat Haderach: Is that her baby daddy? Lordy, I am afeared she will be impaled by the behbeh cheekbones during labor.
Reply

MizJenkins was starred MizJenkins was unstarred

Macloserboy
02/18/09

In reply to Baby Phat Fall 2009: Don't Worry, Be Happy
At least once a year I contemplate a leather trenchcoat hoping I'll look like Shaft, but I don't because I know I'll just wind up looking like some geek who wants to be Shaft.
Reply

Macloserboy was starred Macloserboy was unstarred

Hamsterpants
02/18/09

@Macloserboy: Are you tall? You kind of have to be tall to work the leather trench. Plus it doesn't hurt to be a black private dick who's a sex machine with all the chicks.
Reply

Hamsterpants was starred Hamsterpants was unstarred

BabyJane
02/18/09

@Hamsterpants: It also helps if

you're the kind of cat that won't cop out when there's danger all about.

Right on.
Reply

BabyJane was starred BabyJane was unstarred

Hamsterpants
02/18/09

@BabyJane: I can dig it.
Reply

Hamsterpants was starred Hamsterpants was unstarred

WashingMyHair
02/18/09

In reply to Baby Phat Fall 2009: Don't Worry, Be Happy
I got one of thse pink vinyl business card holder from Staples for $4 a few years ago. Guess that makes me cool.
Reply

WashingMyHair was starred WashingMyHair was unstarred

AthertonMerriweather
02/18/09

In reply to Baby Phat Fall 2009: Don't Worry, Be Happy
Is this what Pastry is supposed to be? Why don't they just work for their Aunt Kimora?
Reply

million.dollar.mouth.
02/18/09

@AthertonMerriweather: I have wondered that as well.....I wonder what the family dynamics are given Russell and Kimora's divorce. On Run's House, there has almost never been a mention of Kimora or the girls....but Russell has made many apperances...
Reply

million.dollar.mouth.
02/18/09

@AthertonMerriweather: ohwait, now I remember that on maybe the first season of Run's House that Angela did an intership for Kimora.....
Reply

Earlier discussions Other discussions Show all discussions Show featured discussions only Start a new discussion

#t

Jezebel

SUBSCRIBE TO Jezebel

New School For Orthodox Jewish Women Opens, But Will They Be Rabbis?

Baby Phat Fall 2009: Don't Worry, Be Happy

Fashion Don'ts

Login

Reset Password

Register

Submit Your Comment