@LucyRed: I guess I'm not fazed by how other people wish to appear...because I guess it's not for me to judge. Also, it's all subjective. And I don't think she would appreciate your comment...
I have no way of knowing whether or not the NYT really outed Mr. Wu or not, but more importantly, is there evidence that Wu is genuinely upset that his family found out?
@rosasparks: And what I mean is, even though he's supposedly said he had awkward conversations with family, but I read that differently than actual distress and freaking out.
Esp. given I don't know if this aforementioned 'tipster' is reliable.
@sarah.of.a.lesser.god (now with more ovumlord!): I fully expect a two hour block of Fox News will be analyzing this shocking gay Michelle Obama issue and how the terrorists will smite us because of it.
@sarah.of.a.lesser.god (now with more ovumlord!): Give them time. They can always fall on the standard conclusion that Michelle Obama supported the trade of a gay man, which means others may become encouraged to "choose homosexuality"-eventually causing God to smite us all, condemning us to an eternity in hell where the bra barrels burn like raging wildfires and the men remain bonerless.
@ManhattanManHatin': Well don't jump to conclusions. Wasn't James Franco on the cover of Advocate? Or was it Out? And he's straight as an arrow, right? ;)
@ManhattanManHatin': Yeah, but like this post says, his Taiwanese relatives probably aren't reading The Advocate, or around anyone who is that would tell them. I've been to Taiwan, and I had trouble finding even a local newspaper when I was outside of Taipei.
@labeled: Oh snap, you are probably right. The only bit making me feel iffy is that he was certainly getting publicity after having designed THE DRESS that everyone (including us) was talking about for MONTHS.
His Taiwanese relatives need to get over it. All this hullabaloo (I've always wanted to say that) over the feelings of ignorant extended family members.
I hooked up with an ex on Thursday night, only to be told (after the sex, of course) that he's been dating someone for about a year - but doesn't think he'll ever be able to be monogamous, even though he likes everything about long-term relationships (except the boring sex). I told him to go on OKCupid and look for people interested in poly, and that he's an ass if he doesn't fess up.
Given that my father has cheated on every woman he's ever been with, I have some MAJOR issues being the other woman, even if only for one night. I feel terrible.
@queenieinmanhattan: Don't be too hard on yourself. You didn't know that he was involved with someone else so you're not the one in the wrong here. And it seems that you dodged a major bullet with this guy!
@georgina: Thanks for the support...I know you're right, but it still sucks.
And, yes, I know it - I'm very, very glad we broke up when we did (only about three months in); I could tell he was messed up (completely unable to communicate in an honest way with, well, most people), and was kind of hoping for a fuckbuddy this time around. Not so much, now.
Please. Don't tell me what you'd do in this situation until you have actually been in it. You can't possibly know.
Until you've been there, don't tell me what someone married ten years with three children, married twenty years with no children, employed or not, healthy or not, should do.
When I was getting married, I would have sworn on my life that I would divorce a cheating spouse and never look back. Now, I have a lot of friends in a lot of different situations and I don't know what I would do. I am just thankful not to be in that position.
I took a look back at the thread Jessica mentioned and I'm really not seeing this unilaterally harsh view on cheating. About half the posts say if it were a one time thing, they wouldn't even want to know. I don't see any references to cutting off anyone's penis either.
I'm of the "I'd leave" school of thought, but that doesn't mean I can't understand why other people would stay or condem them for staying. What I'm really bothered by is the idea that you get to decide for someone else whether or not they should stay and hide the fact that you've cheated.
This really hits home for me. About a month ago my husband of a month left me and admitted he been cheating on me and lying to me all the time. I was completely shocked and totally destroyed. At first we were trying to work things out but he has become emotionally detached and has totally shut down. I don't even know what to do. People keep telling me to just ditch him and move on but all of this just seems so insane I just can't do that yet. It is pathetic that I am trying to convince him that there is something there to save. I don't know, I can empathize with her a bit. Right now, I even feel a little jealous of her.
the best advice i ever heard for people in your situation is to make yourself unavailable. in other words, stop chasing him. tell him to get out of the house, or get yourself someplace new. tell him you need to think about what you want now for yourself, and that's it. don't call him, don't "drop by." if he starts missing you and is sincere about wanting to get back together, you need to see evidence of that. and if he doesn't want to get back together, then divorce him.
cause if he gets the vibe from you that you'll just overlook it completely and try to work things out, you're showing him that you'll put up with this kind of shit. and it'll happen again. especially if he's acting like an asshole now.
Well, she can make whatever choice she wants to make and I am not privy to the intimate details of their lives together, so I cannot make a judgment on whether she should take him back or not. But the "harsh" comments on the other cheating thread were directed at the hurt and humiliation a cheater causes to their SO when they stray from a monogamous relationship. I still think cheating is wrong, I still think it is selfish to do so and I still think that cheaters should 'fess up and deal with the consequences. I have no judgment on what those consequences should be or what impact the cheating should have, but I still think it is wrong to cheat.
My father habitually cheated on my mother from the time I was about 10 years old until she divorced him when I was 26. When he was in the throes of a new relationship he was surly and critical of my mother--her weight, her intelligence, the way she kept house... He eventually would pack up and leave in the middle of the night or before I got home from school, no explanation, no nothing. When the relationship ended he would worm his way back into our lives, only to start the cycle all over again.
Cheating not only affects your partner, but innocent bystanders too. I have been saddled with a lifetime of trust of issues, and I would NEVER take back someone who cheated on me.
@GiovanniJobo: umm, are you sure we aren't twins? add in the physical abuse and you have my father down pat. now, he's on his second wife and while he doesn't hit her (she'll kill him...no literally, she would kill him if he lay a finger on her), he does cheat. and you could always tell. he'll get a haircut, or start dressing nice. he'll turn off his cell phone and disappear for hours at a time on the weekends. i remember one time, i literally thought he was dead. i felt it in the pit of my stomach that he was no longer around and i bawled my eyes out. my stepmother berated me and said that he was probably cheating on her. i didn't believe her until he came through the door and she started hurling dishes at him. they're still together, but it's made me emotionally unavailable to forgive any man the way i've forgiven my father. i didn't choose my dad and i love him that's why i forgive him every time. but any man that cheats on me, that's my own decision to let him into my life, and well, cheating for me, right now, is UNFORGIVEABLE.
@bess marvin, girl detective: This made me start crying. I always think people are dead when I can't reach them for hours at a time. To have it turn out that they were out cheating has to be a horrible kind of relief mixed with extreme anger. Aghh, tears go away.
@lawschoolmakesmecrazy: oh noes! don't cry! that's family right? can't pick em. he is the only man i will love no matter what he's put me through and i've sadly accepted that. but his transgressions has so deeply scarred me that in my 23 years of living, i have not attempted to date, have sex, none of it. so, i totally understand that what i believe now (cheating=over) may change when i meet the right person. but i don't know if that makes me feel better or sad, that there will be a man (or woman, i mean, let's keep our options open here. angelina, can you hear me?) that i would willingly stay in a relationship with even though they are doing to me what my father did to my mother. that's why i believe that while i can forgive, no, i KNOW i will forgive, i CANNOT stay in said relationship.
the first time he cheated on me, he brought up issues like my pill addiction that made me believe it was all my fault. i stayed with him, dropped my addiction and thought we'd be happy ever after.
the second time was just about a year later, with somebody new. this time he had issues with the fact i'd just lost my low-paying job that provided no unemployment benefits and so now we were financially fucked. i had noplace to go, because if i had money then, i would've dropped his ass in a heartbeat.
by the time i'd found a new job and accumulated cash, we'd been able to reconcile again. but in the back of my mind, always, despite whatever he says, i'm always wondering if there will be a "next time." i don't think that mistrust in a relationship is beneficial.
the difference though is now i do have money. and there will be no third chance.
@msAnthrope: it sounds that he is a great manipulator.
msanthrope, the universe will support you with any decision you choose to make. don't let peen and money determine your level of success and happiness.
@echoparkgal: hey, tks for that. the second time it happened, i didn't have anybody to tell or talk to about it, so i just had to deal with it all by myself. and i guess if i learned anything from the experience, it's what you said. it's up to me to decide what i want to accept in my life.
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Exactly. Or if they'd heard about it, they have thought, How nice that there's an article about Jason in that nice newspaper for lawyers.
So were we all played by the tipster, who was trying to pitch Wu?
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Given that my father has cheated on every woman he's ever been with, I have some MAJOR issues being the other woman, even if only for one night. I feel terrible.
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And, yes, I know it - I'm very, very glad we broke up when we did (only about three months in); I could tell he was messed up (completely unable to communicate in an honest way with, well, most people), and was kind of hoping for a fuckbuddy this time around. Not so much, now.
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Until you've been there, don't tell me what someone married ten years with three children, married twenty years with no children, employed or not, healthy or not, should do.
When I was getting married, I would have sworn on my life that I would divorce a cheating spouse and never look back. Now, I have a lot of friends in a lot of different situations and I don't know what I would do. I am just thankful not to be in that position.
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got it. thanks for playing, you can toss your laptop out of the window now.
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I'm of the "I'd leave" school of thought, but that doesn't mean I can't understand why other people would stay or condem them for staying. What I'm really bothered by is the idea that you get to decide for someone else whether or not they should stay and hide the fact that you've cheated.
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the best advice i ever heard for people in your situation is to make yourself unavailable. in other words, stop chasing him. tell him to get out of the house, or get yourself someplace new. tell him you need to think about what you want now for yourself, and that's it. don't call him, don't "drop by." if he starts missing you and is sincere about wanting to get back together, you need to see evidence of that. and if he doesn't want to get back together, then divorce him.
cause if he gets the vibe from you that you'll just overlook it completely and try to work things out, you're showing him that you'll put up with this kind of shit. and it'll happen again. especially if he's acting like an asshole now.
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Cheating not only affects your partner, but innocent bystanders too. I have been saddled with a lifetime of trust of issues, and I would NEVER take back someone who cheated on me.
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the second time was just about a year later, with somebody new. this time he had issues with the fact i'd just lost my low-paying job that provided no unemployment benefits and so now we were financially fucked. i had noplace to go, because if i had money then, i would've dropped his ass in a heartbeat.
by the time i'd found a new job and accumulated cash, we'd been able to reconcile again. but in the back of my mind, always, despite whatever he says, i'm always wondering if there will be a "next time." i don't think that mistrust in a relationship is beneficial.
the difference though is now i do have money. and there will be no third chance.
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msanthrope, the universe will support you with any decision you choose to make. don't let peen and money determine your level of success and happiness.
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