I love cute tent dresses and baggy pants, and people always tell me it's a 'shame' I wear them because I look 'much slimmer' with tight clothes. Who cares? I know what my body looks like, I don't feel the need to wear body conscious clothes. As for harem pants: I actually like them (when not too voluminous) and I bought a pair last week with tiny black sequins, which look absolutely fab with a simple white tee and a black jacket. Yes, shudder in horror what you will, but I think I look cool. #hammerpants
Hipsters are annoying, because they only do things to be ironic. Which means they believe that the thing they're co-opting is so obviously & unmistakably illegitimate that no one would take it seriously, and if someone sincerely likes it, they should be ashamed of it, or never admit it.
On the other hand, I think that doing something just because it's interesting or challenging when it's isn't something you like or automatically identify with is super cool. It can either give you context to understand the reasons why you like some of the things you do, because whatever you got out of them will be missing, or it can help you realize that those things acted as a security blanket that you don't need, because you're still just as cool/sexy/interesting without them.
And I am fully behind doing things just to get reactions out of people. As long as you don't end up being cruel, and use the fact that it's fake as an excuse, like Punk'd usually does. People will probably laugh and forgive you, but some of them will only do it because they've already been made to look silly and would look even sillier if they didn't.
Andy Kaufman did it perfectly. He forced you to react to things that most people would have given you a pass on, and how you treated him said everything about what kind of person you were. By the time he got to his wrestling phase, if you seriously believed he was misogynistic, it probably meant that you had no capacity for humor or self reflection.
Fashion is made up of two seperate worlds, and when someone says "fashion is my life", until I know which one they're talking about I don't know whether to feel sorry for them for having such a superficial life or to fist bump and tell them they're awesome. Fashion is either the science & business of trying to look good according to current standards based mostly in class, or using physical appearance & presence in the world to bring those standards to light and force an acceptance of individuality and creativity. The form the second takes sometimes becomes the new first, and sometimes it doesn't. We usually decide that we like something for one of two reasons; it symbolizes & affirms a quality that benefits us somehow (a suit says you are authoritative and capable, a t-shirt with a cultural reference says you're a part of that culture), or it just appeals to us aesthetically. Deciding to like something that does neither breaks us out of that binary & changes the reach of both. It forces the people who see us to feel something authentic, because there is no automatic response for them to hide behind. Even if it doesn't lead to anything, it still creates a moment that is right now, not any other interchangeable moment.
I try really hard to never feel negatively about anything unless it is legitimately offensive. It's hard, but it's important, because those things will have the power to distract you & ruin your experience of things otherwise, and it's surprising how often my impulses end up being wrong. If there's something that I don't like, I try to figure out if it's because of my own insecurity, and what it symbolizes in terms of human qualities and social place. Sometimes I can't pinpoint what it is exactly that turns me off, but once I get rid of the context, usually it's because I think it's low quality or lazy. But I could always not understand it & be wrong. And even if I'm right, the best hope of whoever made it getting better is to allow them to keep working, without validating the same self doubt that is what leads to lazy art in the first place. If you tell someone they suck, then they usually just think you're an asshole. Or they try to give you something they think you'll like. Or they give up because they agree with you. If you don't ignore them but don't encourage them, they might try harder, and even if they never seem to improve, they're engaging in something creative.
The thing I have a really hard time with is when something threatens another idea's integrity. I can't be ok with that. Even if it's well intentioned. Like sequels to classic Disney movies, or any of the Rock Band/Guitar Hero/whatever games.
I always write too much... sorry guys... it's hard for me to be concise, I barely make sense already. :)
@prismatism: I really enjoyed reading your comment.
But we're talking about fucking harem pants here.
They are not interesting or new or aesthetically pleasing. It's so tongue-clickingly lazy for a designer to throw this into their collection. #hammerpants
We're talking about harem pants, but we're also talking about the people who actually wear them. Since most people find them so unambiguously unattractive, even offensive, that they sell at all is interesting. At least, I think it is. #hammerpants
I love harem pants and knickerbockers (and jumpsuits). Partly because I grew up in the 80s and was surrounded by such things, but partly because I'm not very confident in myself.
Wearing garments people see as edgy helps me fake confidence and if people laugh at me, I can blame the 'ugly' garment and tell myself they aren't really mocking me.
(Oh and those super low crotches make it feel like you're wearing your pyjamas all the time...) #hammerpants
Slight tangent: is fashion this season striking anyone else as just plain ... stupid and ugly? I can't find anything I like. I'm a fairly simple dresser, and I don't want shirts with bows and ruffles at the neck. Is dress for success back?
Plus, I have giant boobs, and ruffles down my chest simply don't look good. They look like a bird exploded and is bouncing in its final death rattle.
Or is it just a cry for attention? Wearing hammer pants will get you looks and start conversations, and for some people, the attention is well worth the risk of looking like an idiot.
Or, conversely, maybe it's a way of pushing people away. Is wearing hammer pants and saying, "You just don't understand" any different than putting on your iPod, and responding to questions about what you're listening to by saying, "You've probably never heard of them"?
Either way, to hammer pants wearers I say: You're no better than any of the rest of us. Have a cookie.
@rodmanstreet: There's nothing wrong with wanting attention. And there's nothing wrong with wanting to be left alone. I've dressed unconventionally for both of those reasons, and for neither, at different times. It doesn't necessarily mean you think you're better than anyone.
It's obnoxious to be an asshole, though, no matter which way you choose to do it... And if you're an asshole, you're just as much of an asshole no matter what you wear. #hammerpants
@rodmanstreet: In my early twenties, my best friend and I used to occasionally dress up in intentionally horrible outfits and go out for dinner and drinks, for the express reason of being left alone. We figured our garish color choices, mismatched patterns, and overall stupidity of the look would play into an interesting sociological study. And especially since we live in an extremely fashionable city (NYC), we were sure we would be shunned and could get drunk in peace.
We were wrong. I guess people (namely men) found us fun, confident, and weird because they would always try to chat us up. And in a way, it was the most fun way to meet people because we weren't trying to impress anyone, and the ones that noticed us in a positive way appreciated that, and at the very least had a sense of humor. I think the number one rule for fashion is to look comfortable no matter what skin you're in, and people will think you're stylish through you're confidence. Oh, and wear stuff that fits. #hammerpants
I have hammer pants and harem pants, and I love them. But I have a long history of wearing strange garments. For me, it is about not reinforcing stereotypes of beauty. I find it to be a douchebag sensor as well. #hammerpants
I often like to wear ridiculous, ugly, or costume-like apparel, just for the fun of it. But, I never spend more than $10 on anything in that category. I would mock someone for spending $400 on ANY pair of pants #hammerpants
they certainly aren't a bunch of losers for opting to side-step the Hammer-revival trend.
Is that an intended pun? Because the image of disgusted shoppers doing teeny Hammer dance-style side steps around a pair of these pants is cracking me up. #hammerpants
You can wear your silly pants. And I can laugh at you. Not because I'm jealous, but because you look absurd and you spent a lot of money on them. #hammerpants
The harem pants phenomenon is so strange to me. I'm a belly dancer, so I think of them purely as dance wear. High-waisted ones are even more confusing to me. Wearing harem pants out and about is like wearing one the sparkly DTWS costumes out shopping. #hammerpants
@Sputnik_Sweetheart: I did a belly dancing class with my coworkers, and one day we all wore our sparkly, jangly scarves around the office. It improved morale 100% because we were happy and everyone else loved teasing us. #hammerpants
Being unfashionable myself, I think I can safely say that wearing $400 harem pants is not anti-fashion. It's not even that risky. It just looks silly.
My mom started wearing the weird, aging hippie version of these. I asked her to stop because I lover her too much to let her teach seniors yoga like that. She thankfully listened. #hammerpants
Years ago, my aunt had a pair of outrageously expensive ($400+) harem pants, but I never saw her actually wear the atrocious things. I think that she was talked into them by a boutique saleslady and regretted the purchase but was too prideful to say so. She would be tickled to know that those pants which always were and will be ugly, are at least considered "high fashion" at the moment. #hammerpants
Fashion is so weird. I thing most of the women who are rocking acid washed jeans right now are women who wouldn't have been caught dead with them 20 years ago. If they had been alive at the time. #hammerpants
@elsbels: I don't know where people get off thinking those are attractive pieces of clothing. If I see you and you are rocking them, you are a minion of Billy Ray's and on my On Notice list. #hammerpants
@TexasCrude: Yeah, but they took on a new meaning away from the white trash aspect. It's just, I would never wear clothes ironically. I wear my Free Winona T-Shirt with conviction and I still can, because her current movie projects suck. #hammerpants
@elsbels: Yeah, I remember 5-6 years ago, I had one friend who wore Ray Bans and we all made fun of him: like, who wears Ray Bans? Now everyone wears them and he's kinda pissed off. #hammerpants
@HereComesMyBaby: Exactly and I sometimes catch myself thinking some item of clothing or style is very cool-looking that I would have hated 5 years prior and I question my capacity for independent thinking. #hammerpants
@elsbels: If you live in the South, you can't wear those clothes ironically, b/c it's too easy to get mistaken for someone who means it. Ironic acid washed jeans and a hipster mullet would probably get you compliments from some of the people in my hometown's Super Wal-Mart. #hammerpants
@elsbels: I hate the "ironic" thing. Just admit that sometimes, you like things you think are terrible! It happens to all of us. I love horrible Europop. I can't help it! There is no irony, just joy!
If you enjoy wearing trucker hats, don't wear them ironically. Enjoy your trucker hat, and hell to all who think you look silly!
Well, in appropriate times and places, as well. :D #hammerpants
I absolutely love my harem pants, but I very rarely wear them out of the house. I just think they're super comfy. Maybe if mine had a less baggy crotch/longer legs I'd be okay with it, because I think they can be cute, but instead I'll lounge around and only wear them outside when I'm lazy. #hammerpants
@Le Kangourou de Kataroo: Loose pants are comfy! Now if just "comfy" was an actual style right now, like "retro" or "80's" or "drunken hippie" all are.
Actually, some of those can be comfy... anyways... #hammerpants
@Dancingfrog: The best part about moving to colorado is forgoing style completely... my latest big purchase today was a pair of sweat pants b/c the boyf stole my fave pair. The best part? I can wear them to the bar tonight AND to work on Monday.
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On the other hand, I think that doing something just because it's interesting or challenging when it's isn't something you like or automatically identify with is super cool. It can either give you context to understand the reasons why you like some of the things you do, because whatever you got out of them will be missing, or it can help you realize that those things acted as a security blanket that you don't need, because you're still just as cool/sexy/interesting without them.
And I am fully behind doing things just to get reactions out of people. As long as you don't end up being cruel, and use the fact that it's fake as an excuse, like Punk'd usually does. People will probably laugh and forgive you, but some of them will only do it because they've already been made to look silly and would look even sillier if they didn't.
Andy Kaufman did it perfectly. He forced you to react to things that most people would have given you a pass on, and how you treated him said everything about what kind of person you were. By the time he got to his wrestling phase, if you seriously believed he was misogynistic, it probably meant that you had no capacity for humor or self reflection.
Fashion is made up of two seperate worlds, and when someone says "fashion is my life", until I know which one they're talking about I don't know whether to feel sorry for them for having such a superficial life or to fist bump and tell them they're awesome. Fashion is either the science & business of trying to look good according to current standards based mostly in class, or using physical appearance & presence in the world to bring those standards to light and force an acceptance of individuality and creativity. The form the second takes sometimes becomes the new first, and sometimes it doesn't. We usually decide that we like something for one of two reasons; it symbolizes & affirms a quality that benefits us somehow (a suit says you are authoritative and capable, a t-shirt with a cultural reference says you're a part of that culture), or it just appeals to us aesthetically. Deciding to like something that does neither breaks us out of that binary & changes the reach of both. It forces the people who see us to feel something authentic, because there is no automatic response for them to hide behind. Even if it doesn't lead to anything, it still creates a moment that is right now, not any other interchangeable moment.
I try really hard to never feel negatively about anything unless it is legitimately offensive. It's hard, but it's important, because those things will have the power to distract you & ruin your experience of things otherwise, and it's surprising how often my impulses end up being wrong. If there's something that I don't like, I try to figure out if it's because of my own insecurity, and what it symbolizes in terms of human qualities and social place. Sometimes I can't pinpoint what it is exactly that turns me off, but once I get rid of the context, usually it's because I think it's low quality or lazy. But I could always not understand it & be wrong. And even if I'm right, the best hope of whoever made it getting better is to allow them to keep working, without validating the same self doubt that is what leads to lazy art in the first place. If you tell someone they suck, then they usually just think you're an asshole. Or they try to give you something they think you'll like. Or they give up because they agree with you. If you don't ignore them but don't encourage them, they might try harder, and even if they never seem to improve, they're engaging in something creative.
The thing I have a really hard time with is when something threatens another idea's integrity. I can't be ok with that. Even if it's well intentioned. Like sequels to classic Disney movies, or any of the Rock Band/Guitar Hero/whatever games.
I always write too much... sorry guys... it's hard for me to be concise, I barely make sense already. :)
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Why would anyone wear clothes AT other people?
What a world/put the harem pants away/shut up, hipsters. #hammerpants
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But we're talking about fucking harem pants here.
They are not interesting or new or aesthetically pleasing. It's so tongue-clickingly lazy for a designer to throw this into their collection. #hammerpants
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We're talking about harem pants, but we're also talking about the people who actually wear them. Since most people find them so unambiguously unattractive, even offensive, that they sell at all is interesting. At least, I think it is. #hammerpants
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Wearing garments people see as edgy helps me fake confidence and if people laugh at me, I can blame the 'ugly' garment and tell myself they aren't really mocking me.
(Oh and those super low crotches make it feel like you're wearing your pyjamas all the time...) #hammerpants
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Plus, I have giant boobs, and ruffles down my chest simply don't look good. They look like a bird exploded and is bouncing in its final death rattle.
Hammerpants are just one symptom. #hammerpants
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Or, conversely, maybe it's a way of pushing people away. Is wearing hammer pants and saying, "You just don't understand" any different than putting on your iPod, and responding to questions about what you're listening to by saying, "You've probably never heard of them"?
Either way, to hammer pants wearers I say: You're no better than any of the rest of us. Have a cookie.
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It's obnoxious to be an asshole, though, no matter which way you choose to do it... And if you're an asshole, you're just as much of an asshole no matter what you wear. #hammerpants
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We were wrong. I guess people (namely men) found us fun, confident, and weird because they would always try to chat us up. And in a way, it was the most fun way to meet people because we weren't trying to impress anyone, and the ones that noticed us in a positive way appreciated that, and at the very least had a sense of humor. I think the number one rule for fashion is to look comfortable no matter what skin you're in, and people will think you're stylish through you're confidence. Oh, and wear stuff that fits. #hammerpants
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Is that an intended pun? Because the image of disgusted shoppers doing teeny Hammer dance-style side steps around a pair of these pants is cracking me up. #hammerpants
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My mom started wearing the weird, aging hippie version of these. I asked her to stop because I lover her too much to let her teach seniors yoga like that. She thankfully listened. #hammerpants
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And I feel you, I have many a Mariah Carey t-shirt that I wear with genuine love, not irony. #hammerpants
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If you enjoy wearing trucker hats, don't wear them ironically. Enjoy your trucker hat, and hell to all who think you look silly!
Well, in appropriate times and places, as well. :D #hammerpants
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Actually, some of those can be comfy... anyways... #hammerpants
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STYLE THAT. #hammerpants